13-10-2002 21:02									#151
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Yes, Stefu has the clue. Apparently there's unofficial news that he would have been against capitalism or globalisation. But so far no official news about that. Also note the very latest update from Reuters about the fact that he most likely found the instructions on the web. Maybe this turn up to be the most severe bomb explosion done by using instructions found on the web.

My personal opinion is now that he was a lone anti capitalist fanatic who went too far and wanted to attack capitalism or globalisation by a bomb attack in a large shopping centre. Somekind of a protest against consuming Finns shopping capitalist products. Just some laud rumblings. At least the link between anti capitalism or anti globalisation and a shopping centre like Myyrmanni would sound somehow understandable.

	13-10-2002 21:07									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Glad to learn they were able to save some of the victims in critical condition. We have to count our blessings amid the horror of this.

That's what I think too. Some good news after all. Unfortunately some of these and several others will although have lifelong injuries like lost limbs or blindness, but at least we can say that they survived.

	13-10-2002 21:09									#153
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They just said at news that the guy's friends said he had just gone through a break-up. Could be something in there...

	13-10-2002 21:10									#154
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hmm.. maybe. But if he was against capitalims or globalisation, I think he still acted alone, and any organisations here did not know about it.
We will learn more soon, I hope.

	13-10-2002 21:12									#155
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quote: My personal opinion is now that he was a lone anti capitalist fanatic who went too far and wanted to attack capitalism or globalisation by a bomb attack in a large shopping centre. Somekind of a protest against consuming Finns shopping capitalist products.

Of course, if it was found out that he was an anti-glob activist, Erkki "I was in ATTAC but then they turned too commie even for me" Tuomioja would spare no time in telling us that anti-globalizationism is the Ideology of Peace.

	13-10-2002 21:12									#156
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Stefu, yep.. but they were definately rumours. They said he was very quiet and lonely. Possibly depressed then too (my own addition). People like that tend to take break ups etc extra hard.

	13-10-2002 21:21									#157
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If the theory on anti-globalization as a motive proves to be true, it would certainly serve as an eye-opener to some people of what far left radicals are capable of, if the hate is strong enough.

And I still don't think he acted alone. At the very least, I think others were in on the plans for the attack, but it may be uglier than that.

	13-10-2002 21:38									#158
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Well, the anti capitalism or globalisation ideology could also just have been a partial reason. Maybe he just had too many psychological problems or stress, so he just couldn't stand it and used an ideology as an excuse. Anyway, currently it strongly looks like he was acting on his own and that it wasn't a terrorist attack as he acted more like a madman who was organised and didn't go out for a rampage. Anyway, we will get to know more about his personal motives as the NBI interrogates his parents and friends, but also analyses the information from the house search.

	13-10-2002 23:20									#159
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Rasbelin, As of this moment, I don't know what to think of the bomber. In the US, we have had many instances of crazies begin a shooting spree they know will end in the police shooting them. It is now called suicide by cop. But, in the process, a lot of innocent people are killed.

	14-10-2002 00:55									#160
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According to what I've heard, the bomber had no apparent political motivation behind his actions - he was "just" a student bent on creating pyrotechnic stuff who happened to suffer a mental breakdown for no currently obvious reason and experimented his creations in the Absolutely Wrong Place.

	14-10-2002 02:25									#161
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Okay, the internet junkies have been busy. Even some Finnish news agencies have published a name; Petri Gerdt.

Also, some information says that the pellets flew in a mostly vertical direction, and that only the bombers feet remained intact, hinting that he was setting down the bomb (and maybe intending to escape) but it blew up in his hands. Eerie.

Backup of the Kotikemia ('Home Chemistry') forum (Finnish) - I'll see if I could translate some of user rc's postings (believed to be Gerdt).

http://www.pitkajarvi.net/pommi1.jpg

Kotikemia forum owner suggests that the board be closed for a week in memory of 'rc' and that the members gather in six months to commemorate him. The second post reads: "Oh hell, it was rc after all. BUT WHY?"

http://www.pitkajarvi.net/jaahyvaiset.html

quote: The purpose is to write about accidents, the police or otherwise funny occasions.... I haven't had any bigger accidents, but once I saw a police car driving to the detonation site. Fortunately I was already 'floating' to the other way. In the next dream I was deep inside a forest

And finally, for the peeping toms, an alleged pic of Gerdt. -removed, read Pekka's reasoning below -

	14-10-2002 02:28									#162
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Let's just call this a DP.

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	14-10-2002 02:45									#163
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petri gerdt, ey

http://www.altavista.com/sites/sear...avkw=qtrp&kl=XX

busy little fellow

but I guess it could be this guy (who are the busy one):
http://cs.joensuu.fi/~pgerdt/

	14-10-2002 02:51									#164
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Heh, good point. All the Petri Gerdts in Finland are busy editing their web pages.

	14-10-2002 03:36									#165
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That's not the same Petri.

Also Kassis picture is not the same person. I mean think about it, this guy is 187cm.. and checking that photo in full size (where are other people too), he's definately not near 187cm. He can't be the same guy, he's not even close matching description.

	14-10-2002 03:54									#166
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A little late, but my deepest sympathies to everyone affected by this atrocity.

	14-10-2002 04:40									#167
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I can't feel anything but rage to the person who did little 'research' and investigatin himself and put up a page about this, including his home address, the names and infos of his parents and neighbours. While he might think he was 'cool' and 'intelligent' getting all this info, he is also endangering their safety. There are lots of maniacs in here, and he could just have mobilized them. What an ***hole.

	14-10-2002 09:21									#168
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The morning news started. And it was all about 'it was a political statement, yes?' stuff. This is stupid. This new hype started because he used a sig:
I ain't a killa but don't push me
revennge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin *****
-Killuminati

So.. the news are now all about 'He might have been in Killuminati group, or supporter, who are against globalisation, slavement and the oppression of the black man'. That makes sense, right? I wonder how many finns belongs to this group. Maybe like 2.

Or, it was just the lyrics from 2pacs 'Hail Mary' track (a good one, I might add). But the media won't listen, they want to hype hype hype and deliberately create big space for rumours and stuff like that. Or they just don't have any brains, period.

	14-10-2002 10:47									#169
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SH!t!

That was close! I live less than a mile away from that shopping mall. I just have to be happy about not being in the mall during the incident.

It's a strange feeling... One of my friends got injured, another lost his brother...

Thanks a lot, basket-case!

	14-10-2002 11:27									#170
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I'm glad you're ok aaglo! I hope your injured friend is not badly injured and is still in one piece. I also hope the other friend is holding on and has strength to overcome that some day.

	14-10-2002 11:41									#171
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Was this link already posted? Includes the infamous threads and some pics:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/oknp/pommiforum/

	14-10-2002 12:14									#172
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Late, I suppose. But, with the same as the Bali Bomb, my deepest sympathies out to people involved. Aalgo, nice to hear your safe, and I hope the same luck lies with those who have been injured.

	14-10-2002 12:22									#173
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quote: I hope your injured friend is not badly injured and is still in one piece

Yes, she was lucky. From what I've heard, she was right on top of the blast (on the upper floor - not on top of the bomb ), but all she got was a few small pieces of metal in her upper body. So she's physically ok.

I consider myself as a lucky one - not losing close friends. When things like this happen in the neighbourhood, a lot of friends may be involved.

I would also like to wish all the best to the people suffering from this - and many other similar - incidents.

	14-10-2002 12:35									#174
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Okay, web detective Rasbelin has found something interesting, so stay tuned for a further update soon.

	14-10-2002 12:44									#175
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I'm trying to trace him back on "The Explosives and Weapons Forum" (has been posting there), but I won't get my account accessible before an admin has validated it. So I will have to wait a few days before I can report anything from there. Sorry.

	14-10-2002 13:05									#176
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Pekka is right about the mistake STT/FNB made about "Kill the Illuminati" and "Killuminati". The signature quote is from the lyrics of the song "Hail Mary" by 2Pac.

	14-10-2002 13:10									#177
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Thanks for the URL, Hurricane! Much appriciated.

One update done and one more on the way.

	14-10-2002 13:22									#178
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Yep, I know I'm right about that one . What is shocking is how the media is now hooked on the story which is obviously FAR REACH and not believable if you really think about it. But it's something nice, it's supposed to be a group of some kind, and it's against something, thus it must be ready for violence. I could just violently kick the reporters taking this story seriously in the.. nuts.

And media is crazy about he being in the internet and talking about explosives there. I mean COME ON! Get real. Maybe we should also ban libraries, schools, burn books and ban talking. Only christianity and cars are subjects aloud. These damn hypocrites makes me sick.
He wasn't a small kid. He was 19. He was capable of doing it Internet or no Internet. He was a chemistry student and obviously talented in that area, intelligent.
But noooooooo, he's really a member of Killuminati, fighter against globalisation and would be ok if he didn't mess around with internet.
Yeah, I'm angry, sorry about that.

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	14-10-2002 13:24									#179
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I mean, I've read some bomb stuff on the net, it doesn't mean I'd go and bomb people for fooox sake. Besides, then we should ban army too, since almost every man here knows how to make a basic bomb (aka kasapanos) with a detonator, can handle guns and rifles, granades, mines and stuff like that. Yeah. Let's ban that while were at it.

edit: Also, if my postings to every place I've ever made would be closely read and interpreted that way, I'd be serial killer, raper, terrorist, hacker, alcohol abuser, violent, hippie, leftist, fascist, gay and a soldier who went nuts.

	14-10-2002 13:47									#180
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Frontpage coverage updated. Next update within 4 hours with the translation of the comments about the bomber by his fellow students from EVTEK.

Stay tuned!