14-10-2002 14:04									#181
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We'll do that, I'm just reading todays papers. This makes me angrier than anything. This has NOTHING based on facts, only reporters own conclutions presented as FACTS. And they are sooooooo wrong in every single one of them! The thing that makes me furious is that now 80% of the people believes this crap! This is ALL out of the context, and is a damn shame.
His signature is big in all pages, conviniently leaving the last part out! 'I ain't no killer, but don't push me' is all over. It's nice how we can decide what we want to say from someones writings.
Quoting:

'Petri's 'motto' was "I ain't no killer, but don't push me". This 'motto' he had quoted from ideological movement called Killuminati. It's a rare movement based on opposing western capitalism and free market. Internet is full of its pages, but they're not pushing people to any violence or terrorism'.

Hell yeah! Bunch of no good ****s. It's nice how they know where he got his signature from, especially when they left the rest part out of it. And they got it so wrong, it should be illegal. I feel like beating someone up. Maybe I should print myself a t-shirt 'I'm a member of Killuminati' or something.
I'm not defending the bomber and his acts, but media is hurting this case so much, they don't even have a clue!
IF they ever realize or have the energy to correct this mistake (I doubt it, this is so much nicer!), they'll start blaming on rap music. Yep.

	14-10-2002 14:08									#182
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It's so frustrating when you know you're right and that mainstream media is so wrong, and that only few people actually know the REAL meaning of this signature, which became notorius now. People here believe what they see on tv and read on paper. I'm so frustrated, I want to scream and yell to everyone.. This is not only wrong, this is so way out of the zone that it's making me sick.
I can already imagine it trying to explain the real meaning to my father and he says 'so you know about this Killuminati then? hmm... ' and starts worrying about me. **** **** *****!!!!!!!!! GRRGRRGRR!

	14-10-2002 14:10									#183
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That's it. I'm writing to the papers about this. I'm not gonna watch and sit this **** happening.

	14-10-2002 14:42									#184
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Ok, I just did it, so if they decide to ignore me, it means they don't care about the truth, they care more about selling big.

	14-10-2002 15:40									#185
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At least HS had gotten the source of the signature right.

	14-10-2002 15:43									#186
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Give me a straight link, I can't find it. Or if it's only in the paper, please put it in here.

	14-10-2002 15:46									#187
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On page B1 there is a screenshot from a thread at the Home Chemistry forum and the caption reads: "Nimimerkki rc osallistui räjähteiden kuorista käytyyn keskusteluun. Rc:n viestien uhkaava allekirjoitus on peräisin rap-artistilta."

	14-10-2002 15:48									#188
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ah ok, well they got it right. I haven't heard that one from media yet. TV news are all about the other way, also papers like IL, but then again, it's not a real paper, it's tabloids. But people take it very seriously.

	14-10-2002 16:19									#189
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Hey folks, didja read the Ilta-Lehti? Good ol' rag's good ol' head editor Pauli Aalto-Setälä had written about evils of unfettered Internet...

Petri Gerdt. Loner and Internet user. Whopee. Look for what type gets profiled in the coming weeks.

	14-10-2002 16:40									#190
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This picture of the bomber is from Iltalehti. He looks as normal as one can get:

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This has been downloaded 40 time(s).

	14-10-2002 16:43									#191
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quote: Petri Gerdt. Loner and Internet user. Whopee. Look for what type gets profiled in the coming weeks.

Is this the fault of his parents? Noooo. Is this the fault of his school? Nooo.
Is this the fault of goverment's policy, which leaves kids alone for 6 h/day?

No, it's the fault of evil, bad, pervert Intter-Wep (R). So let's ban the use of internet, shall we?

	14-10-2002 16:50									#192
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The guy was a radical anti-capitalist. What difference does it make what signature he used and whether it's quoted correctly.

Focus should be on the anti-globalization movement and their hate of free market society.

	14-10-2002 16:54									#193
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Yep.. Minister of Justice, Itälä was already very conserned about internet. Fortunately he also said it would be almost impossible to ban pages for their content.
We must raise hell if someone tries to pull that one.

	14-10-2002 16:55									#194
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quote: Focus should be on the anti-globalization movement and their hate of free market society

What is this stuff about that he was against globalization? Sources & links for me, guys?

	14-10-2002 16:59									#195
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It's been indicated several times over the weekend, but I don't think it's official news just yet. I'm sure it'll surface soon.

What else do you think would be his motive for attacking a shopping mall BTW?

	14-10-2002 17:02									#196
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antiglobilization and crap.

he was just demented.


some years back a group of 20 year olds killed 2 women "in the name of satan"


criminals are criminals the "cause" is not the "cause" in any way.

demented people are just that, they dont need a reason and whatever "reason" they chose is of no importance in comparison with the fact that they are demented and killers.


IMHO.

	14-10-2002 17:04									#197
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Nah, considering the apolitical nature of the Finnish people I'd think he was just melancholic-suicidal and wanted to kill as many people as possible along with himself in order to "take revenge" on the society that had "neglected" him.

	14-10-2002 17:06									#198
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quote: What else do you think would be his motive for attacking a shopping mall BTW

My 2 cents is that he was suicidical maniac who tried desperately to get attention for the only time in his life.
Or at least that's the impression I got from his forum-talks and a crappy biography at HS.

	14-10-2002 17:07									#199
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quote: criminals are criminals the "cause" is not the "cause" in any way.

He had no criminal background. Didn't use any alcohol nor drugs. He hadn't got even a parking fine.

	14-10-2002 17:11									#200
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so?

	14-10-2002 17:16									#201
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The anti-globalisation theory has not any evidence. The only thing that could point to it at this point is that he did it in a mall. The signature was interpreted wrong. It wasn't about anti-globalisation.

They has been some suspection that maybe he didn't ment to kill himself at the process, considering he was laying down the bomb when it went off.
Also he left no suicide notes.
Police won't say if it had electronic detonator or simular, as in placing the bomb in there, walking away and blowing it up when safe from it's range. This would also back up why he didn't left any notes or anything behind.

	14-10-2002 17:16									#202
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After reading the papers, some Finnish discussions and about every other source of opinions available ad nauseam, I'm starting to feel disappointed. Is the Finnish people (and every other paranoid conspiracist) so stupid that they cannot recognize an introverted student bent on creating dangerous mixtures of commonly available chemicals, who perhaps just wanted to rid the world of himself or accidentally blew his newest unstable mixture up? In both cases, the young man was clearly not very stable since he wanted to experiment with his stuff in the middle on a busy shopping mall.

No. They must blame islamists, the anti-globalization movement, the neo-Nazis, communists, the Internet or the music he was listening to. And all this with no clear or unclear evidence. They just cannot understand that those insane do not need any motives that can be understood by the sane. Perhaps he was motivated by the voice between his ears. Perhaps the neighbor's dog told him to do so.

	14-10-2002 17:19									#203
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A left wing anti-capitalist feeling down about life and blowing up six other people at a shopping center is still driven by his hate of the free market if you ask me.

Not many terrorbombers are completely right in their mind. That doesn't explain away the underlying political reasons for the target they choose.

	14-10-2002 17:20									#204
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Yep. everything points to a sad depressed person. I'm not 100% sure if he meant to commit a suicide or perhaps survive and live another day to make some more stuff.

	14-10-2002 17:20									#205
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How do you know he was left wing anti-capitalist?

	14-10-2002 17:22									#206
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I think the best so called motive is that he was dumped by his girlfriend recently. Maybe he wanted to do something "to show them". The anti-capitalist rumors are, IMHO, very far-fetched. If he had wanted to bomb McDonalds he could have done it perfectly well without killing himself. Also, most anti-capitalist acts have been done without harming other people. Even a raging lunatic would understand that a McDonalds bombing would backfire if you kill innocent people doing it.

	14-10-2002 17:23									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka The anti-globalisation theory has not any evidence. The only thing that could point to it at this point is that he did it in a mall

The fact that he bombed a mall was what led me to predict it was anti-globalization inspired even before it was mentioned by anyone else. It remains the strongest indication for this theory. It's like adding two and two together.

That said, it may be difficult to prove it for certain, since we can't ask the loser himself.

	14-10-2002 17:28									#208
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winston, not really. he is just a loonie.
you should be glad he's just a loonie because "far right" loonies by far outpass left wing loonies.

but they have their own party: "the loonies"

	14-10-2002 17:29									#209
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Yep, that would be one point for your theory. It remains the only one however.. at least for now.
It could of been just random pick, or chosen target, but not thinking it as capitalist ground..
But I'm sure we will have new info soon about this, and we'll see then how it could be..
I'm not ruling it out though.

	14-10-2002 17:33									#210
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Yes, it'll be interesting to see what the police comes up with.