23-10-2002 10:03									#151
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The only thing I'd like changed are espionage costs. Other than that, I vote for standard rules, including the minor things like aircraft range, hitpoints and so on.
Anyway, we'd have to wait for PtW to see if they changed things, wouldn't we?

Difficulty level: Regent or Monarch.

	23-10-2002 14:59									#152
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aircraft range: don't know, only played with once, so...

hp: don't mind if you up them 1 or 2 points
conscript:3
regular :5
veteran :6
elite :7
something like that??

lethal air bomb: again, not sure(but since there isn't an anti aircraft [b]unit[/], probably no

espionage costs: well, more money will be availlable (second harbor?), so I don't think it's goig to be necesairy
(btw: trip, how your idea comming along with the extra bonus resource? Very much liked the idea

difficulty: I'm use playing emperor, but regent or monarch will do just fine

more modding coming on:
1.all resources set to dissapear??
2. and much less off them ( about 1.5 per player )?

	23-10-2002 15:08									#153
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can anyone tell me more about PBEM guess i'm a little outdated

	23-10-2002 15:31									#154
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Play By Email,

this question has been asked allready earlier in the thread

	23-10-2002 16:23									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Also, have we decided upon a difficultly level? While it won't affect the AI (since there won't be one), it will affect happiness, corruption, etc.

I'd say, we should set it to regent...

	23-10-2002 16:28									#156
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I think Regent too. That's the level I usually play on, anyone who usually plays on Emperor will find it easy, but I'd rather have some of us find the game easy than some of us find it too hard. The fun and challenge will be in communicating/fighting with each other and making/breaking alliances, we should do all we can to keep that the focus of the game.

	23-10-2002 16:33									#157
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 hp: don't mind if you up them 1 or 2 points conscript:3 regular :5 veteran :6 elite :7 something like that??

Sounds good, I've done almost the same thing with my game (I think I made it 3, 4, 5, 7)...

But I don't know...maybe we should just go with the standard rules for the game...It is afterall 'The first Apolyton PBEM game'

	23-10-2002 18:15									#158
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Sounds good, I've done almost the same thing with my game (I think I made it 3, 4, 5, 7)... But I don't know...maybe we should just go with the standard rules for the game...It is afterall 'The first Apolyton PBEM game'

Great...now I'm being quoted sarcastically...

I'm going to stick to my guns, and agree with ADG's last line here...let's play with the standard rules. Most of you will probably be involved in more than a couple of MP games pretty early on, and I'm sure most of them will be modded in some way. Let's keep "The First Apolyton PBEM Game " simple and straight forward. That way, we can complain about Firaxis' shortsightedness later!

This included resource placements. If Firaxis thought about designing the map creation engine to not only set the starting locations in relatively equal and good spots, hopefully they also thought about setting it up to provide players with most of the key resources they need, but not all...requiring trade and/or war to obtain them all. Let's see how smart those guys really are!

	24-10-2002 02:58									#159
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But the standard game is much less fun than a good mod. How is the whole 'first ever PBEM game' relevant to keeping the rules default?

Also, I say regent. The game is against each other, not corruption.

	24-10-2002 05:34									#160
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Then regent it is

Time for something else :
(I do hope once we have PTW, games will be easier to start , if they take weeks to decide just the basics :lol

Do we get a vote/veto on restarting(only first turn)?
If you get really stuck in an awful position for example.

btw: never noticed that 'veto' is an anagram of 'vote', funny

	24-10-2002 06:19									#161
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And how do you guys know that this is the First 'Poly PBEM game? What if the beta testers are here? Or even signed up for your game. Or even send cases of beer to Firaxis for coding favors.

	24-10-2002 06:33									#162
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d*mned!!!!, how did you found out

	24-10-2002 07:23									#163
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I think there needs to be some option to be able to restart, say, if 4 out of the 5 of us agree. Once I started on a 2 tile tundra island... You guys put me in that position for a months-long PBEM game and you won't see much of me again.

	24-10-2002 07:42									#164
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm And how do you guys know that this is the First 'Poly PBEM game? What if the beta testers are here? Or even signed up for your game. Or even send cases of beer to Firaxis for coding favors.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

	24-10-2002 15:52									#165
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Me thinks Warpstorm is gonna get alot of PM's today

RE: restart:

each of us get's one vote to restart, however there is a risk involved offcourse. If you do ask for one and you end up worse , you will have to hope someone else asks for one. Any comments?

	24-10-2002 15:59									#166
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OK. One restart vote for each.

	24-10-2002 16:00									#167
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We should be careful to only restart when we absolutely HAVE to ... otherwise the game will never get started, let alone finished.

	24-10-2002 16:51									#168
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet We should be careful to only restart when we absolutely HAVE to ... otherwise the game will never get started, let alone finished.

Yeah...

Well...I have never ended up in a position, that was so bad, it wasn't playable...(That doesn't mean, I can win, nomatter the starting position...it just means, I can have fun, even with having the worst starting position ever...)

	24-10-2002 17:12									#169
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When should be the starting "veto" expressed? Immediately in the beginning, during the very first turn?
Or should we wait 3 turns, to see the surroundings?

So, what do you vote? 1 turn, 3 turns, more?

I vote for 1 turn only.

	24-10-2002 17:16									#170
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1 turn...

	24-10-2002 17:25									#171
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1 turn

If you can't see anything but jungle, that could be a good hint

(besides it just being no fun for the one involved, and maybe not even for the rest either)

	24-10-2002 17:26									#172
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Yeah. 1 turn only.

	24-10-2002 17:39									#173
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So be it.

RULE: Each player has one and only one vote to restart the game (start veto). The veto can be expressed only before the end of the first turn.

	24-10-2002 17:50									#174
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Let's see if I can put all this info into the first post

Let me know if something is not right( I'm not gonna reread all these pages for the 6th time

	24-10-2002 17:53									#175
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If you're using PBEM, I would suggest you get involved in multiple games, so that starting position, and anticipation of failure do not cause players to want to restart, or cheat, etc.

	24-10-2002 18:00									#176
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hmm, but if someone quits due to this, the other are still scr*wed IMO

	24-10-2002 18:20									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Slax If you're using PBEM, I would suggest you get involved in multiple games, so that starting position, and anticipation of failure do not cause players to want to restart, or cheat, etc.

You mean having several games running (with maybe different oponents) at the same time? If that's the case, how many games should a player max be involved in at the same time???

	24-10-2002 19:00									#178
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quote: Originally posted by ADG You mean having several games running (with maybe different oponents) at the same time? If that's the case, how many games should a player max be involved in at the same time???

As many as you can deal with and keep track of. An individual PBEM game doesn't take up big blocks of time at once. You may get one turn a day in a good turn around game if you are lucky. In other PBEM games I've been involved with over the years, a turn every week is more typical. Because of this there is no good reason to limit yourself to only one game at once.

	24-10-2002 19:32									#179
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I'll be looking for some PBEM games once PtW actually comes out that is

It would be good to have a group that can spend an hour or so for the first (fast) turns. Ideally I'd have liked an option to play online then PBEM, but I dont think it works out that way.

	24-10-2002 19:33									#180
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm As many as you can deal with and keep track of. An individual PBEM game doesn't take up big blocks of time at once. You may get one turn a day in a good turn around game if you are lucky. In other PBEM games I've been involved with over the years, a turn every week is more typical. Because of this there is no good reason to limit yourself to only one game at once.

I was thinking that multiple games would be a good option myself.