24-10-2002 20:01									#181
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I was thinking a PBEM Demcracy game would be interesting where there were factions of human players. Sure, it'd take forever....

	24-10-2002 20:15									#182
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm I was thinking a PBEM Demcracy game would be interesting where there were factions of human players. Sure, it'd take forever....

I believe there was some talking about this some time ago. Were some wanted to have a huge Demo game, were Apolyton is one Civ, and Civfanatics is another Civ...

Though I'd prefer to have small groups of about 5 persons each...

	24-10-2002 20:17									#183
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Though I'd prefer to have small groups of about 5 persons each...

That's be my preference too. I'd rather have 8 civs with 5 players running each than 2 civs with 20.

	24-10-2002 20:39									#184
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Why not make it a national contest?? Would love to be in that one
Or europe versus the U.S. versus Asia, versus ..., you get the point

	24-10-2002 20:40									#185
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Hey Warpstorm, why not open a new thread for this one???
I know a couple of pretty good belgian players

	25-10-2002 09:30									#186
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet We should be careful to only restart when we absolutely HAVE to ... otherwise the game will never get started, let alone finished.

Restarting is a bad idea. Your best bet is to select starting conditions based on what you know works best. On the ideal settings, most players will get good starting locations. If you make it unnecessarily unfriendly, everyone will be claiming that they had a bad start.

I should know, some idiot (i.e. BirdMan [BirdBrain/VultureBreath]) created a world in Call To Power PBEM that had me in tundra on an island upon which i was destined to not advance beyond the stone age! Stupid BirdBrain!!!

Alternatively, starting two identical games with the players swapped ensures 100% fairness. It has been done in CtP with no complaints :

	28-10-2002 20:57									#187
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Hey, this was allready on page two

Btw: where is everybody from/residing??
This is somewhat important regarding the different release scedules. Why can't they do simultanious releases

	29-10-2002 00:55									#188
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Hi all,

Been a couple of days since I posted...I feel out of touch.

I agree, first turn veto is fine.

Also, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio USA. Eastern time zone.

Oh, and BTW Alva, I'm changing my Civ of choice vote to random. I wanna be like everyone else.

	29-10-2002 17:33									#189
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re: civ choice,

maybe we should all do a random on one of the new civ. Seems logical to do so. I now I would prefer one of the new ones. Allthough I still don't know theire excact traits, UU,.....

	29-10-2002 17:48									#190
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Well...I don't think there's an option, that says "random, but only new Civs"...so the only way we could choose random (and only get new Civs), is by making a little random No generator, and says No 1 is Spain, No 2 is Korea, etc...but the thing is, this random generator can only be used by one certain computer (Since it of course generates random numbers on the different computers...)

Or did I miss information, that this function actually is in game?

And btw, I don't care wheter I'll be playing as one of the new Civs or not...I just hope I don't end up playing as England or Celts...

	30-10-2002 04:06									#191
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What's wrong with one of us throwing a dice???
1= celts
2=spain and so on????
old fashioned but effective , and yes, I will trust you

	30-10-2002 18:23									#192
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Do you have a 24 sided die? I suppose two twelves from D&D, one just to designate high and low.

But then we'd have to post a list of civs, right?

Like...d12 result (1-6) and the score of the second die

1- The Americans
2- Arabia
3- The Aztec
4- Babylon
5- The Carthaginians
6- Celts
7- China
8- Egypt
9- England
10- France
11- Germany
12- Greece

d12 result (7-12) and the score of the second die

(13) 1- India
(14) 2- The Iriqious
(15) 3- Japan
(16) 4- Korea
(17) 5- Mongolia
(18) 6- Ottomans
(19) 7- Persia
(20) 8- Rome
(21) 9- Russia
(22) 10- Scandanavia
(23) 11- Spain
(24) 12 - Shaka of the Zulu (my favorite leader)

For just new Civs you'd need an eight sided...

Ok, ok...I did play D&D when I was younger...I admit it!!!! I'm a D&D nerd!!!! Arghhhhhh.......

	30-10-2002 18:37									#193
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euh Buster, their are only 8 new civs

so using two 6 sided dices are more then sufficient.

2=not
3=not
4 to 10= new civ
11=not
12=not

	30-10-2002 18:45									#194
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 euh Buster, their are only 8 new civs

I actually have an 8 sided dice

	30-10-2002 19:45									#195
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alva, two six sideds rolled together create a bell curve.

Thus the civ at number 7 wouldn't have a higher probability of being selected than one at 4 or 10. Thus it wouldn't be...technically...a fair representation of a random system.

Check this out:

D 1 2 3 4 5 6

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

2 3 4 5 6 7 8

3 4 5 6 7 8 9

4 5 6 7 8 9 10

5 6 7 8 9 10 11

6 7 8 9 10 11 12

If 2,3,11, and 12 are merely discounted...

Reroll - 6 occurances
4 - 3 times
5 - 4 times
6 - 5 times
7 - 6 times
8 - 5 times
9 - 4 times
10 - 3 times

So the probability of the 7 civ getting selected, including the rerolls is .29 or nearly a third of the time.

	30-10-2002 20:01									#196
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yeah, I know, but
does it matter ??


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	30-10-2002 20:09									#197
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Not really, but it would be nice to have an equal chance to get each civ...just to be fair about it.

We're smart enough to do it right, let's do it right, ya know?

Just my opinion is all...

	31-10-2002 19:57									#198
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By the way, gents,

I have the game now, so I'm ready whenever you guys are

	31-10-2002 20:03									#199
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about 3 weeks from now it seems
i'm looking into a temp solution, so fingers crossed, and shhhh

	31-10-2002 22:36									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Buster13 By the way, gents, I have the game now, so I'm ready whenever you guys are

Give it to me...NOW

I just asked out local computer store, on when they got the game...they didn't know about the game...they couldn't find it on their computer, and they didn't even know what it is...

	31-10-2002 22:54									#201
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I won't be getting the game for 3 weeks either.

	31-10-2002 23:32									#202
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Are you threatening me?

It's gotta suck watching everyone else talk about thier experiences with PTW and you still can't go out and buy it, I know...

If it'll make you feel any better, I still think there's some crash bugs that have to get worked out, even with 1.04.

	01-11-2002 00:51									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Restarting is a bad idea. Your best bet is to select starting conditions based on what you know works best. On the ideal settings, most players will get good starting locations. If you make it unnecessarily unfriendly, everyone will be claiming that they had a bad start. I should know, some idiot (i.e. BirdMan [BirdBrain/VultureBreath]) created a world in Call To Power PBEM that had me in tundra on an island upon which i was destined to not advance beyond the stone age! Stupid BirdBrain!!! Alternatively, starting two identical games with the players swapped ensures 100% fairness. It has been done in CtP with no complaints :

LUNG! You are up to no good again!! But in CivIII now...

I agrrrrreee with your idea. I got to find 80 usd somewheres.

	01-11-2002 01:50									#204
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What are you on about??

	01-11-2002 03:33									#205
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Lung and I know each other from Call to Power PBEM. He is a trouble maker in that forum! (He is a good mate, really, but don't let him know that!). Anyway I was commenting on the format of randomly starting a two player PBEM match, then swapping sides so that both players play on the same exact terrain against each other. So one match consists of two games. That idea was what I agreed with. It is very fair.

And $80 to buy CivIII plus Civ PTW. I have to find that kind of money!

	02-11-2002 07:47									#206
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Are you going to join Civ3 PBEM too Quinns?

	02-11-2002 22:37									#207
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Hi Keygen! Maybe I will join Civ3 PBEM if I can scrounge up some cash . Does PTW PBEM work? I read a lot of bad stuff about it so far.

	02-11-2002 22:56									#208
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Is any offer with both games in one package with lower price?

What I've heared so far is that the online multiplayer has some problems mostly caused by the gamespy network. I haven't heard anything about PBEM yet but I am not sure that people have already test it so who knows

	03-11-2002 01:27									#209
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quote: Is any offer with both games in one package with lower price?

Not yet, there is however the 'game of the year edition'
Civ3--->fully patched and a few other bonusses.
IMO both civ3 and PTW will be sold as package soon

	06-11-2002 06:04									#210
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It seems certain now that PTW will be released in the UK on 22nd November.
I plan to get it on the day of release, so would be available to start from then.
If anything changes I'll post here to let you know.

alva: do you know when you can get the game yet? when's it out in Belgium?