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Do we declare war on France
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62.90% |
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37.10% |
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62 voters |
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Aggie
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Of GOW's half of BOB
Jun 2002
time: 23:23
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This is a poll to give the government the ability to declare war on france at the most opportune moment in the next 5-10 turns.
This poll needs 50%+1 to pass.
This poll will last 3 days.
Aggie
Last edited by Aggie on 24-10-2002 at 04:06
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:23
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having problems today...
Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 23-10-2002 at 23:42
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:23
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Double post
Last edited by UnOrthOdOx on 23-10-2002 at 23:41
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CiverDan
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I would only support it if we do it before they hook up their saltpeter. I don't want to attack fortified Musketman on hills with knights.
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dejon
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quote:
Originally posted by Kloreep
War! Before they get Musketeers.
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Too many people have made this statement (or something similar) for me to ignore - this statement assumes that war with the French is inevitable! Why is that? They are a weak civ - they'd be NUTS to start a war with us!
Why must we conquer/destroy/assimilate all our neighbours? We have a nice stretch of land and some good cities. What is wrong with developing our civilization? For the numerous warmongers among us, wars will be inevitable anyway, as other civs get jealous of our power and culture. Why must we be the aggressor - again!
I vote NO!
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CiverDan
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quote:
Originally posted by joncnunn
I think we would have worse odds attacking fortified Riflemen on hills with Calvary.
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actually the odds are the same in both cause Knight att=4, Musketeer Def=4 & Cavalry att=6 rifle def=6.
but anyways,
Neither are odds I like that must unless we have a significant unit advantage.
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:23
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Something to keep in mind. I'm not sure how much we should consider this, but the thought has been floating around in my head all afternoon.
What is the most fun decision we can make?
We shouldn't always do the thing that is most enjoyable, because sometimes it's better for us in the long run to build up our country ... if we want a shot at winning down the road.
However, turnchats where we just move workers around, argue about build queues, and renegotiate trade deals are rather dull. We need challanges, suspense, incidents, opponents, and goals if we are to remain as active and as interested in this game as we have been. Especially when PTW comes out.
When PTW comes out and the discussion changes to "how do we do a PTW Demo Game?", how dedicated are we going to be to finishing up this Demo Game?
This should give us something to think about. In my opinion, a quick war with France would be fun, but it would also spring a Golden Age that our entire nation would enjoy. We could get SO much built and researched during that period of time!
I'm somewhat partial to capturing Rheims and disarming France seems reasonable, but getting a Golden Age is what really drives me towards this war. The GA is the ultimate (and extremely timiely) prize and it's a prize worth fighting for.
--Togas
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E_T
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:23
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I support a limited war for the Following reasons:
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from the Pax Apolytonia? Poll Thread
I support a war only for four reasons:
1) Generate a GA
2) Have a Possible GL
3) Liberate Rheims so that they can join our Jungle Ball league.
4) Liberate the Saltpeter Deposits from France.
I don't want the war for the French Western costal lowlands
Explansion of above:
1) A GA would allow me to get the rest of the needed core city Items into place or with them being close to completion by the end of the GA. THe GA will also Allow us to be doing some actual research for a change, on our own. We have a few Librarues currently (I'll have the list in my Construction Shack City status report for 700AD) and a few more in about 15-20 turns. Because we're getting closer to completeing Printing Press (8 turns left) and we would have to move the slider to 50% of more to have faster results now. So thereby, we are on that course for atleast 8 more turns. If we "pull the strings" in 10 turns, try to limit the war to 5 turns and use the rest of the GA to to get ourselves out of the dark ages.
At this point in time, we should be building Universities & Banks, instead of starting to build Libraries (if not having to Build Cathedrals to take care of happieness issues in our cities) and just finishing Marketplaces. Our Growth is now Pyramid driven and (in some cities) outpaces the construction of the Improvements that promote happiness. We have aquired technologies only though very tough negotiations that were very delecate (and the timeing just right, Thank the Banana!) and costly and our economy wasn't cripples by then, though they could have been.
With GA driven building and economy, I can get us more towards were we should really be at this point in time. The outer Provences are still suffering from near Catastrophic Corrution and run away growth, HOW are wo going to pay for this pipe dream of increasing our presence in the Western seas, when were still getting the Persian Provences out of Catastrophic Corruption.
We have the size, we just don't have the depth to become great. A GA will let us acheive that depth especially in combination with a short war.
2) Rome has nearly completed building JSB and when they do, the others will switch to Smith's Trading and have that completed shortly. Magellins will be taken by who ever's third in that race, unless they haven't gotten Navigation by that time. The one in fourth will get Newtons if they've gotten Theory of Gravity. If not, they'll switch Along with the reat of the lossers) to either Small Wonders or Big ticket Items (Uni or Bank). A timely GL would allow us to get one of these (I prefer Smiths for the money saved). And who knows, the Banana will smile on us and grant us two to three, one for JSB & last for an Army (for two small wonders). But we need to start the war soon, timing is key here and Rome is setting the clock ticks. I was actually expecting to be in the war now (and hoping to cut them off at their wonder seeking knees).
3) We need more 'Cultural Glue' in that area because of Greece, but Rheims puts a spot in it. Having Rheims will help knit that area up just nicely. And they will also be that last City that is elegable for a Jungle Ball Expansion Team.
4) We have only resently learned of the Saltpeter deposits that are in the French territories. If we aquire them, we can sell them and still have a surplus, for just in case one of the deposits runs out. THis also allows us to control those areas of mountains & hills for when Coal is discovered. The western Coastal lowlands doesn't have much of a chance for that at all. And Rubber's much later.
Having the War for just the Objectives of Rheims, Lyons, Besancon, Dijon & Amiens for the cities; the resourses, GA and a possible GL are all that I think that this nation needs and should do. Anything beyond that is just plain bloodthirsty.
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Bloodthirsty & Vengeful if we go beyond the above Objectives.
Now some further things to consider when the final desision is made for when we will start the war.
How long does it take a 'Native' French Worker to build a road in a mountain? We know that France has 3 Workers around Rheims. See the Attached Image:
If these are the only workers that France currently have, we can block them from moving across our land to the Saltpeter. Further, If Avignon generates a worker, we could buy it from them and they would be back to square 1, at least for that City. But, either way, If a worker appears on one of the sources, we still have time to act, plan and prepair without acting like it's an extreme emergency.
Personally, I haven't voted yet. Because:
I would vote YES for a limited war, with limited objectives, that will start no sooner than 6 turns and no later than 1 turn before whatever French worker completes a road.
On the other hand, I would vote NO for a war that would go beyond the above stated scope and/or that would be starting sooner than necessary.
Her are some links to other discussions about this issue:
Pax Apolytonia?
War Academy: Plans for France
War Academy: Next taget England or France
The timeline leading to war with france
[EDIT] Added the link to the timeline to War with France
E_T
Last edited by E_T on 24-10-2002 at 08:05
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