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Is it possible to administer such gas under high pressure to achieve quicker results. Like a gas bomb?
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Unless administered under high pressure I wonder at how so many were affected so quickly. I supposed oderless, tasteless and invisible but really....
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:23
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Moscow Theatre Gas May Have Been Fentanyl
Link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...-462171,00.html
Thanks to Drudge for the link
quote:
German survivors provide clue to deadly theatre gas
By Daniel McGrory
DOCTORS who are treating two German survivors of the Moscow theatre siege believe that they may have identified the gas used by Russian special forces.
After examining an 18-year-old woman student and a 43-year-old businessman who were knocked out by the powerful drug, experts at a clinic in Munich believe that a narcotic called fentanyl could have killed the 115 hostages.
The drug is often found in powerful pain-killing body patches used by cancer sufferers. It is also sought by heroin addicts as it is an opiate similar to morphine and is very strong in its pure state.
Experts at the Pentagon said yesterday that they also strongly suspected that an opium-based drug had been used, but would not say if American doctors had tested any of the survivors.
Thomas Zilker, a toxicology expert at the specialist German clinic, ruled out a nerve gas, as it would have left traces in the victims’ bodies, which he had been unable to find. He said that the gas was probably something that the Russians had developed for themselves, but he was having difficulty finding information because of Russian “mystery-mongering”.
Russian officials were maintaining their mystery last night, although a top aide of President Putin insisted that the purpose of the raid “was not to kill everyone, and so the use of sarin or any other poison gas can be ruled out”. Viktor Fominykh, the Russian presidency’s top medical official, added: “Consequently it is not essential to know its composition exactly in order to provide treatment.”
Bombarded by questions, Dr Fominykh admitted that not even he had been told the precise composition of the gas pumped into the auditorium.
The Russians were reluctant to allow foreign embassies to airlift the injured, to prevent independent examinations, but Professor Zilker and his team at the Munich Klinikum Rechts Der Isar said it was “strongly indicated” that the two German survivors had consumed an unknown quantity of a synthetic narcotic with chlorinated hydrocarbons, including fentanyl.
He said that there was a very fine line between an appropriate dose of an anaesthetic and a potentially fatal overdose leading to suffocation. “You wouldn’t really have the opportunity to regulate the dosage in such a large theatre,” he said. It was possible that so much gas had been pumped into the theatre that there had not been enough oxygen.
Andy Oppenheimer, a nuclear and biological weapons expert with Janes Defence Weekly, said that fentanyl was an anaesthetic and was used as an alternative to morphine, but had never been used as a chemical weapon before. He said it was “very likely” that the Russians were reluctant to reveal the type of substance used because it would alert the US to their experimentation with it as a chemical weapon.
“These have not been outlawed by the Convention on Chemical Weapons,” he said. “There are grey areas in the way these gases can be used and the Russians may be exploiting this to be able to develop chemical weapons without contravening international law. The symptoms caused by fentanyl in this context would have been vomiting, disorientation and a collapse of the respiratory system.”
Fentanyl was first synthesised in Belgium in the late 1950s and has been used in clinical practice since the 1960s. It is an exceptionally potent analgesic for use in heart surgery.
Illegal use of the drug first appeared in the mid-1970s among the medical profession and quickly spread to other drug-users. Its biological effect is indistinguishable from that of heroin, with the exception that it may be hundreds of times more potent.
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Interesting. Not a nerve gas, but not necessarily something you want your neighbors to know about.
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Capt Dizle
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This belongs here and that belongs on page 8.
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Lincoln
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It is very easy for us to criticize people who are facing a life and death decision without much time to act. Some on this forum were suggesting that we deal with hijackers with the use of non-lethal gas. This is one reason that idea is not practical. You cannot control the dossage or its effects on the elderly etc.. There simply is not time however in some instances to do that which is ideal. The "right wing" has nothing to do with this. The Russians tried to save lives with the means at their immediate disposal. I would expect my government to use the best methods available but I would also expect them not to sit back waiting for the ideal situation while the hostages are being killed and threatened with mass and immediate destruction with bombs.
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Lord Merciless
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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
You are quite the paranoid loon, aren't you? |
What do you expect from leftiest loonies?
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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:23
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Originally posted by axi
Why didn't you do the same with the Kursk case? |
I don't really remember what I said about the fate of the Kursk. Would you care to enlighten me while explaining me what this has to do with anything? I'd also like to know how UR counts as an American rightie.
Why don't we try this another way? Why don't you tell me why I should be up in arms about this the way you are?
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