28-10-2002 23:37									#1
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Some results of the European convention in Brussels :

A group of politicians, led by Giscard d'Estaing, is working on a proposal for a European constitution.
When this constitution is accepted, they also propose to rename the EU to USE (United States of Europe).

Now who will be THE united states then.

	28-10-2002 23:38									#2
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We're the first, so it will always be us. Mexico is the United States of Mexico. Everyone calls it Mexico. You'll always be Europe.

	28-10-2002 23:41									#3
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And it's easier to call you America. Problem solved

Now this stuff sounds quite interesting Maestro...I am quite interested to see what they come up with...

	28-10-2002 23:42									#4
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Bundesrepublik Europa.

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The Communist States of Europe.

	28-10-2002 23:43									#6
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A European constitution would actually be nice.
Make it a real union, not just some economical pact.

	28-10-2002 23:43									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Maestro A group of politicians, led by Giscard d'Estaing, is working on a proposal for a European constitution. When this constitution is accepted, they also propose to rename the EU to USE (United States of Europe).

I think that they are being premature in the extreme.

	28-10-2002 23:46									#8
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Perhaps they should change the name to Disunited States of Europe?

Problem solved.

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At this point in time, with all the many divisions inside the EU, least of all being Britain's obstinancy with the euro, it seems like a rather Quixotic maneuver…

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quote: When this constitution is accepted

by whom?

what if some countries don't like it?

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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 At this point in time, with all the many divisions inside the EU, least of all being Britain's obstinancy with the euro, it seems like a rather Quixotic maneuver…

Exactly, Denmark and Sweden are being far more obstinate over the €.

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quote: least of all being Britain's obstinancy with the euro, it seems like a rather Quixotic maneuver

we have a Europe of two speeds, that's for sure.

But this is a good year for Europe. Finalization of entry talks for a number of nations. Reform of the financial system in the EU. And the constitution.

	28-10-2002 23:54									#13
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 least of all being Britain's obstinancy with the euro

Obstinancy?

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All I can say is that the countries of Europe should read about the way American southern states were eventually enslaved by nefarious Federalist criminals.

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You guys are still going to be far from United. Once you get the entire continent together, then'll we'll talk.

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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick All I can say is that the countries of Europe should read about the way American southern states were eventually enslaved by nefarious Federalist criminals.

ironic use of the word 'enslaved'

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quote: Once you get the entire continent together, then'll we'll talk.

The US doesn't have the entire continent together either. And didnt'they start with a mere 13 states? and they weren't united either, other than in their oposition agains the British. Then later, some states abandoned slavery, and others didn't. America of two speeds.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Perhaps they should change the name to Disunited States of Europe?

That will be the next step, when European states cannot control their budget.

By the way, I wonder who would become president of the USE ?

Maybe they should invite Clinton.

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SM: You aren't even to the "Articles of Confederation" yet in your quest for unification.

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quote: Originally posted by Maestro Maybe they should invite Clinton.

I'm sure you guys wouldn't try to impeach him for diddling all your women.

	29-10-2002 00:13									#21
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"The US doesn't have the entire continent together either. And didnt'they start with a mere 13 states? and they weren't united either, other than in their oposition agains the British. Then later, some states abandoned slavery, and others didn't. America of two speeds."
The problem is though, the USA didn't start out with such tremendously jarring cultures. True, the north was far more conservative than the south in the beginning - but we were both English in origin, whereas you have the formidable task of making a nation that has both Finnish people, Greek people, and Spanish people make sense, let alone form a cohesive unit.

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"The problem is though, the USA didn't start out with such tremendously jarring cultures."

Well, there were religious differences, which was important to people at the time.

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Different protestant religions, big deal. In the very beginning of the U.S.A. (not the colonies) this wasn't even that big of a deal anymore - by the late 1700s the puritans had mellowed out considerably into the congregational church. Plus the European Union gets to deal with not only one, but two schisms - they've got orthodox, catholic, and protestant.

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"Different protestant religions, big deal."

There were lots of catholics in the early States. About 1/2 the pop of Maryland and Pennsylvania, IIRC.

Edit: No, my numbers aren't quite right. Catholicism represented only roughly 2% of the population at the founding.

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	29-10-2002 00:33									#25
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and not long after, the US was enlarged with Spanish and French colonies. That worked out, did it not?

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The Fourth Reich

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if the 4th Reich is accomplished without bloodshed and oppression, I'm all for it

	29-10-2002 00:50									#28
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Even better if it lasts for a thousand years ( or > )

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you bet

	29-10-2002 01:08									#30
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Should Rome be the capital of the fourth reich?