22-11-2002 14:42									#151
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, my mother would've with her home brew kit (in fact, she did), you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, fish and chips, and flat, warm beer?

Pudding ?

I'am betting 20 Golds on England and 5 on wales.

	22-11-2002 18:04									#152
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Firstly the Wallabie game - I also think Italy will struggle to finish within 21 pts of the Aussies. Given the Zurich computer prediction, will their head start be increased? I'd dearly love to bet a good potion of my amassed civ gold on Italy...

As for my other bets: 40 on the ABs and 40 on England please! And this will be a tight one. The England squad are conscious of communication (I see they've already begun to exercise their pigeons), but the saffees will go into this game like men possessed. It will be a great clash this one.

quote: Bitter. As in Real Ale. We should be hailed for that alone.

Yes, let us all hail the country who brought us that which rots our guts and makes us fart!

	22-11-2002 18:30									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Andydog Yes, let us all hail the country who brought us that which rots our guts and makes us fart!

Aaah ! Poetry...

	22-11-2002 19:20									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I am not too keen on the guesswork margins. Lets gloss rapidly over you giving the 4th ranked team in the world such a start over the 3rd. I do so only because if the 3rd win they become 1st and if the 4th lose they become 5th with France taking 4th. Brain melting permutations!

Only goes to prove what a farce ratings are.

quote: The Zurich computer gives Italy over a forty points head start guys. And it tends to be conservative. Finbar has hood winked you all again. And Wales need a five converted score margin. They really are that bad. Unless it rains NZ will utterly murder them.

SportsBet here gives Wales 16 1/2 start, the Boks 14 1/2 start and Argentina 11 1/2 against Ireland. They don't have the Italy-Wallabies game for some reason, but on the basis of the other games, Italy wouldn't get anything like 40. I suspect I was too narrow with the Wales margin, but anyway. Unless anyone wants to increase it?

quote: They think I drink too much.

Ducks in barrels, ducks in barrels.

quote: Coached by Wayne Smith. Do you see the connection?

With England needing a backs coach with some actual idea of what a back does? Absolutely. Grab Wayne Smith immediately.

	22-11-2002 19:24									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Pudding ?

Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, Havak would've, you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, fish and chips, flat, warm beer and pudding?

quote: I'am betting 20 Golds on England and 5 on wales.

Gotcha.

	22-11-2002 19:25									#156
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Well, we're working on the following basis: 1. England -v- South Africa. We're giving SA 17 1/2 points start.....etc.....handicapping the favoured team by requiring them to win by a certain margin.

You're a real trooper finbar, I don't know how many times you've explained this, and you never seem to do a cut-and-paste job either. Bonzer effort there cobber!

	22-11-2002 19:28									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Aaah ! Poetry...

	22-11-2002 19:30									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia You're a real trooper finbar, I don't know how many times you've explained this, and you never seem to do a cut-and-paste job either. Bonzer effort there cobber!

I work with words for a living. Turn on the tap, out they pour.

	22-11-2002 19:30									#159
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Actually I plan to temporarily set great store by the ratings - assuming England do go to number one.

Wales should have a bigger start but what the heck - as long as they lose I'll be fairly happy.

I can't face taking Ravagons money so I'll pass on the farcical Wallaby margin thanks.

But 20 on England (I have to have faith?). the mythical 'complete game' tomorrow?
And 10 on NZ (send 'em crying back to the valleys)

By the way let us talk again about Havak's patent coach spotting device.

Bodies all over the place = Aussie coach.
Decoy runners = Kiwi
In from the side and offside flouting = either one above.
Up the jumper rugby = English
passionately running up and down touchline = French
Sat happily with a pint of stout = Irish.
Ditto with whisky = Scottish
Crying = Welsh.



Any other offers?

	22-11-2002 19:32									#160
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, Havak would've, you know that.

Considering that Havak is english, wouldn't that make it an english invention?

Now on to aussie inventions - Dame Edna!

	22-11-2002 19:36									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Andydog Firstly the Wallabie game - I also think Italy will struggle to finish within 21 pts of the Aussies. Given the Zurich computer prediction, will their head start be increased? I'd dearly love to bet a good potion of my amassed civ gold on Italy...

I suppose margins can be amended. But everyone who has bet on the relevant game would have to be allowed to reconsider their bets. I couldn't come at Zurich's 40 points start, though, it's ridiculous. If it were a full-strength Wallaby team, perhaps, but we've now lost Larkham on top of everyone else and Mortlock, our only penetrating back on the whole tour, is having to fill in at fullback.

Edit. I'm also not sure why the Italy margin should differ greatly from the Wales margin given their apparent respective abilities.

quote: As for my other bets: 40 on the ABs and 40 on England please! And this will be a tight one. The England squad are conscious of communication (I see they've already begun to exercise their pigeons), but the saffees will go into this game like men possessed. It will be a great clash this one.

Gotcha. And they're showing it here too!

	22-11-2002 19:37									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Actually I plan to temporarily set great store by the ratings - assuming England do go to number one.

You realise that if they do the ratings will become meaningless to everyone who isn't an english rugby fan don't you?

quote: By the way let us talk again about Havak's patent coach spotting device. Bodies all over the place = Aussie coach. Decoy runners = Kiwi In from the side and offside flouting = either one above. Up the jumper rugby = English passionately running up and down touchline = French Sat happily with a pint of stout = Irish. Ditto with whisky = Scottish Crying = Welsh. Any other offers?

Other team's bodies all ove the place = South African

	22-11-2002 19:37									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Bodies all over the place = Aussie coach. Decoy runners = Kiwi In from the side and offside flouting = either one above. Up the jumper rugby = English passionately running up and down touchline = French Sat happily with a pint of stout = Irish. Ditto with whisky = Scottish Crying = Welsh.

No subjectivity of course...

	22-11-2002 19:39									#164
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Aussie inventions?

Prisoner Of Her Majesty In Exile (POHMIE).

More lately twisted into the prefered version of Prisoners Of Her Majesty In England.

	22-11-2002 19:39									#165
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Andydog 277.5-80 = 197.5
Bearcat 100-50 = 50
Caligastia 68.5-60 = 8.5
finbar 73.5-40 = 33.5
Havak 90.8-30 = 60.8
Journeyman 100-40 = 60
LDiCesares 141.8
Mickeyj 143.5
NeoStar 114
ravagon 94-30 = 64
redbull 80
Tamerlin 62.3

Bets placed to date are as follows:

1. England -v- Springboks (Boks 17 1/2 points start)

Andydog 40 - England
Havak 20 - England
Journeyman 20 - England

Bearcat 20 - Springboks
Caligastia 20 - Springboks
finbar 10 - Springboks
ravagon 10 - Springboks

2. Wallabies -v- Italy (Italy 20 1/2 points start)

Bearcats 20 - Wallabies
Caligastia 20 - Wallabies
finbar 15 - Wallabies
Journeyman 20 - Wallabies

ravagon 10 - Italy

3. Wales -v- All Blacks (Wales 22 1/2 points start)

Andydog 40 - All Blacks
Caligastia 20 - All Blacks
Havak 10 - All Blacks
ravagon 10 - All Blacks

Bearcat 10 - Wales
finbar 15 - Wales

Last edited by finbar on 22-11-2002 at 19:45

	22-11-2002 19:40									#166
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	22-11-2002 19:43									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Havak But 20 on England (I have to have faith?). the mythical 'complete game' tomorrow? And 10 on NZ (send 'em crying back to the valleys)

Gotcha.

quote: Up the jumper rugby = English

Actually, that was famously done in a Sydney club match - or it might have been a State match, I forget - about 30 years ago.

	22-11-2002 19:47									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Aussie inventions? Prisoner Of Her Majesty In Exile (POHMIE). More lately twisted into the prefered version of Prisoners Of Her Majesty In England.

There's much debate about the source of the term "Pommie". That's one of the theories.

	22-11-2002 19:48									#169
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Glad you caught my bets. I don;t want to be denied extending my excellent record on losing money.

quote: You realise that if they do the ratings will become meaningless to everyone who isn't an english rugby fan don't you?

Oh yes - but I'll be in rose-tint-o-vision and isolated from the rest of the world then.

quote: Other team's bodies all over the place = South African

Excellent!

I kind of expected Finbar to mention Argentinians and gouging?

It's my favourite theory. Gets a lot of response on occassion.

	22-11-2002 19:50									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I kind of expected Finbar to mention Argentinians and gouging?

More ducks and barrels, more ducks and barrels.

	22-11-2002 20:00									#171
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There seems to be a school of thought that the margins for the Italy and Wales games could be increased. What is the group consensus? Can you please post your thoughts sometime before - say - 10pm Saturday (my time), which is 6am Saturday Caligastia time, which is 11am Saturday Havak time, and midday Saturday Tamerlin time.

If there is a consensus to change the margins, anyone who has bet on either the Wallabies -v- Italy match and/or the Wales -v- All Blacks match will be free to change their bets if they choose.

	22-11-2002 20:16									#172
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I'm happy with the margins as they are. If they are changed I will probably change my bets.

	22-11-2002 20:52									#173
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I am done betting too.

It remains to be said "Go go go Italiano".

quote: "Wales are a very big challenge, they are at home and they are a proud rugby nation. At times I tend to feel uncomfortable the way people keep putting down Wales. I love the passion Wales offer as a rugby country and it's going to be very difficult for us." - All Black coach JOHN MITCHELL is expecting a tough match for his inexperienced team when they travel to Cardiff to meet Wales on Saturday.

Okay so it is all very well being polite about opponents but surely there are common sense limits to it???

	23-11-2002 04:49									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I'm happy with the margins as they are. If they are changed I will probably change my bets.

Okay, you and Havak aren't desperate to change the margins, so that pretty much rules out changing them.

But I've just discovered there will be no TV coverage of the Wallabies -v- Italy match tonight!

	23-11-2002 10:42									#175
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I would have liked the Aus-Ita margin increased, but not to the extent that somebody else changes their bet. Leave it where it is (Rather favourable at present, for me anyway. Now if only I could persuade Andydog to back the Wals as well ... )
I guess it remains to be seen whether the Italians take their inspiration from the 82' World Cup win in Spain (I won't say which sport ) or the second WW invasion of Greece

quote: But I've just discovered there will be no TV coverage of the Wallabies -v- Italy match tonight!

Damn. I could've sworn it was sceduled in another of the late-night slots but an online site I just checked doesn't show anything either ...

	23-11-2002 10:45									#176
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Okay, you and Havak aren't desperate to change the margins, so that pretty much rules out changing them.

I like that sentence. It makes me feel important.

	23-11-2002 13:49									#177
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As I'am not betting on the Italia-Australia and Wales-South Africa games, the end scores being very difficult to estimate between opponents of such vastly different level, I won't ask for the margins to be modified. Do as you please gentlemen.

Isn't it a very long kick outside of the field ? From my 22 to the other side's 22. At least !

	23-11-2002 14:57									#178
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Damn. I could've sworn it was sceduled in another of the late-night slots but an online site I just checked doesn't show anything either ...

It has been in the FoxSports programme schedule as T.B.C. subject to the broadcast rights. I checked their website today and it remains that way. In this morning's Sydney Morning Herald, though, is said no television coverage. I think the England-Springboks match is on FoxSports, though.

	23-11-2002 14:58									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I like that sentence. It makes me feel important.

It was designed to boost Havak's flagging self-esteem not yours! Americans are prevented by the Constitution from suffering self-esteem problems!

	23-11-2002 16:04									#180
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quote: Now if only I could persuade Andydog to back the Wals as well ...

*splutter splutter* Never! Never in a million years! *splutter splutter*

30 gold on Italy dammit. I can hear Finbar sniggering away, he knows full well of my strange inability to back the Wallabies!