22-11-2002 06:45									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Another name for a future thread : Rugby - Union Only ! That said, you are welcome Journeyman.

Don't worry about it, I was just reading through my prevoius posts and I realised I sounded like an old fuddy duddy. If you're wondering why I went on for so long (considering I have had more to do with union), well there was a little incident that sparked it.

By the by, Havak, if you doubt the importance of our boys winning against the Wallabies, did you see the cricket yesterday? In response to last week's headline in the paper saying "Can anyone in England play cricket?" A group of people were holding up a sign saying "Can anyone in Australia play rugby?"

I know its a stretch considering we fell asleep at times and won by 1, but good on them.

	22-11-2002 06:50									#122
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Come on, lads, let's establish some margins and get some Civ Gold flying. This is our last opportunity for a while. My proposed margins are posted somewhere back on this page or the previous page. To save scrolling back, here they are again: 1. England -v- Boks (Boks get 17 1/2 points). 2. Wallabies -v- Italy (Italy gets 20 1/2 points). 3. Wales -v- All Blacks (Wales gets 22 1/2 points). Pure guesswork. It might need to be 32 1/2. Anyone got other any suggestions? Here's our current Bank A/c. Andydog 277.5 Caligastia 68.5 finbar 73.5 Havak 90.8 LDiCesares 141.8 Mickeyj 143.5 NeoStar 114 ravagon 94 redbull 80 Tamerlin 62.3

I doubt we will get a consensus before the weekend, so here are my bets:

20 on the boks

20 on the Wallabies

20 on the All Blacks

	22-11-2002 07:00									#123
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quote: Originally posted by finbar And one day you will all come to your senses. What, after all, has England given the world? Apart from Twinings' English Breakfast Tea?

Fish'n'Chips


With the margins you've proposed I'll go for

10 on the Boks
10 on Italy
and 10 on the AB's (unless that margin is blown out to 32.5 in which case put it on Wales).

PS: Journeyman - you start with 100 civ gold.
Or to put it another way - I'm going broke and I need yours.

	22-11-2002 07:29									#124
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon With the margins you've proposed I'll go for 10 on the Boks 10 on Italy and 10 on the AB's (unless that margin is blown out to 32.5 in which case put it on Wales). PS: Journeyman - you start with 100 civ gold. Or to put it another way - I'm going broke and I need yours.

What's this, a fantasy betting comp?

I prefer sportstab, but I suppose this way I wont incur the wrath of the family. 20 on England and 20 on the Wallabies will do me.

quote: And one day you will all come to your senses. What, after all, has England given the world? Apart from Twinings' English Breakfast Tea?

The language we're typing in. The world would be speaking French otherwise, which wouldn’t really be a bad thing, Tamerlin? It was a subject of mine back when I was in Merseyside.

	22-11-2002 07:54									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Cricket ?

Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, we would've, you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket and Twinings' English Breakfast Tea?

quote: The symbolic Civ Gold.

Damn adjectives!

	22-11-2002 08:09									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Journeyman What's this, a fantasy betting comp?

Very much a fantasy betting comp. We couldn't agree on a currency - pound, US dollar, Oz dollar, Kiwi dollar, Euro - so we opted for Civ Gold on the basis that no billionaire money-market manipulator is going to attack it. We awarded ourselves 100 Civ Gold each when we started because we're fiscally prudent. Only fiscal idiots would award themselves 1000 Civ Gold in these tough economic times.

Anyway, you are hereby awarded 100 Civ Gold. Don't let it burn a hole in your fantasy pocket.

quote: I prefer sportstab, but I suppose this way I wont incur the wrath of the family. 20 on England and 20 on the Wallabies will do me.

Bets recorded. Note that we're betting margins. We seem to be going with my suggestions - well, wild guesswork - because we won't have time between now and tomorrow for our usual lengthy, heated discussion. Thus, for your England bet to succeed, England has to win by 18 points or more; for your Wallaby bet to succeed they have to win by 21 or more. If the Boks finish within 17 or fewer, or Italy finishes within 20 or fewer, you lose.

quote: The language we're typing in.

Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, the Americans would (and ballsed up the spelling), you know that. So, apart from cricket, rugby, Twinings' English Breakfast tea and the English language?

	22-11-2002 08:12									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I doubt we will get a consensus before the weekend, so here are my bets:

Bets recorded.

	22-11-2002 08:15									#128
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Fish'n'Chips

Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, the Eskimos would, you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, and fish and chips?

quote: With the margins you've proposed I'll go for 10 on the Boks 10 on Italy and 10 on the AB's (unless that margin is blown out to 32.5 in which case put it on Wales).

Bets recorded. It's good to see some of us going for the outsiders. It creates a win pool. Maybe I should've extended the Wales margin a bit to attract some bets.

	22-11-2002 08:19									#129
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, the Eskimos would, you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, and fish and chips?

Flat, warm beer?

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quote: Originally posted by finbar Anyway, you are hereby awarded 100 Civ Gold. Don't let it burn a hole in your fantasy pocket.

You're running this thing? Well I better had take back what I said of you. A boofhead can't run a tipping comp, especially one with margins

quote: Flat, warm beer?

I don't like the face you put next to it. What's wrong with flat, warm beer?

	22-11-2002 08:26									#131
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Our Bank A/c, with Journeyman's arrival, and bets placed to date, now reads:

Andydog 277.5
Caligastia 68.5-60 = 8.5
finbar 73.5-40 = 33.5
Havak 90.8
Journeyman 100-40 = 60
LDiCesares 141.8
Mickeyj 143.5
NeoStar 114
ravagon 94-30 = 64
redbull 80
Tamerlin 62.3

Bets placed to date are as follows:

1. England -v- Springboks

Journeyman 20 - England

Caligastia 20 - Springboks
finbar 10 - Springboks
ravagon 10 - Springboks

2. Wallabies -v- Italy

Caligastia 20 - Wallabies
finbar 15 - Wallabies
Journeyman 20 - Wallabies

ravagon 10 - Italy

3. Wales -v- All Blacks*

Caligastia 20 - All Blacks
ravagon 10 - All Blacks

finbar 15 - Wales (Just to create a win pool!)

Last edited by finbar on 22-11-2002 at 10:30

	22-11-2002 08:26									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Journeyman I don't like the face you put next to it. What's wrong with flat, warm beer?

Nothing at all! Just trying to think of something finbar can't claim someone else would have invented.

	22-11-2002 08:28									#133
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Caligastia 68.5-60 = 28.5

	22-11-2002 08:32									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Flat, warm beer?

Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, my mother would've with her home brew kit (in fact, she did), you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, fish and chips, and flat, warm beer?

Hot tip: The only English invention I might not be able to pass off onto someone else is - you guessed it! - a tired, old, marinated, ex-tighthead prop from Leicester.

	22-11-2002 08:34									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia

Appropriate! Looks a bit like the atmosphere on Wall Street 10 seconds before the Great Depression hit.

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quote: Originally posted by Journeyman You're running this thing? Well I better had take back what I said of you. A boofhead can't run a tipping comp, especially one with margins

Have you ever come across an Australian you can offend?

PS. Ask some of these guys how long it can take for their winnings to be credited to their account while I invest them on the short-term money market.

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quote: Originally posted by finbar Appropriate! Looks a bit like the atmosphere on Wall Street 10 seconds before the Great Depression hit.

Better check your subtraction there matey.

	22-11-2002 08:49									#138
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Yeah yeah, but if they hadn't invented it, my mother would've with her home brew kit (in fact, she did), you know that. So, apart from rugby, cricket, Twinings' English Breakfast Tea, the English language, fish and chips, and flat, warm beer?

This fellow's too much. A valiant effort Caligastia.

quote: Originally posted by finbar Hot tip: The only English invention I might not be able to pass off onto someone else is - you guessed it! - a tired, old, marinated, ex-tighthead prop from Leicester.

I've heard him be called all sorts of things, but never 'marinated'. I think he's more a natural than an 'invention', but you gave too much away for a tip.

quote: Have you ever come across an Australian you can offend?

Not usually, but I once came across two at Stadium Australia during what they called "the greatest game ever" (Wallabies vs All Blacks). Was with a few mates so it turned into quite a bit of biffo

	22-11-2002 08:58									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Journeyman This fellow's too much. A valiant effort Caligastia.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Better check your subtraction there matey.

Done. An honest American. You'll have your Green Card withdrawn!

BTW, I've just been watching a Heineken Cup match between Northampton Saints and Ulster on FoxSports. It was played sometime earlier in the season. (Edit. About 6 weeks ago) Northampton are using decoy runners all over the place and passing the ball behind them. So someone on that island knows how to do it!

	22-11-2002 10:24									#141
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I'll take South Africa over England, Australia over Italy, and Wales over New Zealand, because I'm feeling daring

	22-11-2002 10:32									#142
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Andydog 277.5
Bearcat 100-50 = 50
Caligastia 68.5-60 = 8.5
finbar 73.5-40 = 33.5
Havak 90.8
Journeyman 100-40 = 60
LDiCesares 141.8
Mickeyj 143.5
NeoStar 114
ravagon 94-30 = 64
redbull 80
Tamerlin 62.3

Bets placed to date are as follows:

1. England -v- Springboks (Boks 17 1/2 points start)

Journeyman 20 - England

Bearcat 20 - Springboks
Caligastia 20 - Springboks
finbar 10 - Springboks
ravagon 10 - Springboks

2. Wallabies -v- Italy (Italy 20 1/2 points start)

Bearcats 20 - Wallabies
Caligastia 20 - Wallabies
finbar 15 - Wallabies
Journeyman 20 - Wallabies

ravagon 10 - Italy

3. Wales -v- All Blacks (Wales 22 1/2 points start)

Caligastia 20 - All Blacks
ravagon 10 - All Blacks

Bearcat 10 - Wales
finbar 15 - Wales

Last edited by finbar on 22-11-2002 at 12:51

	22-11-2002 10:33									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat I'll take South Africa over England, Australia over Italy, and Wales over New Zealand, because I'm feeling daring

Okay, how much Civ Gold do you want to bet in each case? And you know we're betting margins instead of straight-out win/lose? I think it's called points spread (or similar) in your part of the world.

	22-11-2002 10:36									#144
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How exactly do the margins here work?

	22-11-2002 10:47									#145
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Well, we're working on the following basis:

1. England -v- South Africa. We're giving SA 17 1/2 points start, which means, basically, that if you bet on England, they have to win by 18 points or more for you win your bet. If you bet on SA, you will win your bet if they lose by 17 points or less. If SA draws or wins the game, a bet on SA also wins.

2. Italy -v- Wallabies. We're giving Italy 20 1/2 points start, so if you bet on the Wallabies, they have to win by 21 points or more. If you bet on Italy, they can lose by 20 points or less, draw, or win the game for you to win your bet.

3. Wales -v- All Blacks. We're giving Wales 22 1/2 points start, so if you bet on the All Blacks, they have to win by 23 points or more. If you bet on Wales, they can lose by 22 points or less, draw, or win the game for you to win your bet.

It's a betting system designed for contests where one team is clearly favoured to win. In a normal win/lose betting situation, no one is likely to bet on the outsider. This system makes it possible to bet on the outsider and still win. Essentially, we're handicapping the favoured team by requiring them to win by a certain margin.

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Okay, thanks. In that case.

20 on South Africa
20 on Australia
10 on Wales

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Gotcha.

	22-11-2002 12:54									#148
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We now have Journeyman and Bearcat on board, lads.

Andydog 277.5
Bearcat 100-50 = 50
Caligastia 68.5-60 = 8.5
finbar 73.5-40 = 33.5
Havak 90.8
Journeyman 100-40 = 60
LDiCesares 141.8
Mickeyj 143.5
NeoStar 114
ravagon 94-30 = 64
redbull 80
Tamerlin 62.3-25 = 37.3

Bets placed to date are as follows:

1. England -v- Springboks (Boks 17 1/2 points start)

Journeyman 20 - England
Tamerlin 20 - England

Bearcat 20 - Springboks
Caligastia 20 - Springboks
finbar 10 - Springboks
ravagon 10 - Springboks

2. Wallabies -v- Italy (Italy 20 1/2 points start)

Bearcats 20 - Wallabies
Caligastia 20 - Wallabies
finbar 15 - Wallabies
Journeyman 20 - Wallabies

ravagon 10 - Italy

3. Wales -v- All Blacks (Wales 22 1/2 points start)

Caligastia 20 - All Blacks
ravagon 10 - All Blacks

Bearcat 10 - Wales
finbar 15 - Wales
Tamerlin 5 - Wales

Last edited by finbar on 22-11-2002 at 19:26

	22-11-2002 14:25									#149
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I take SA, Italy (I might attend the game , actually. my first time ever to a rugby game) and Nz.

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quote: Nahh...don't think so.

Damn. Given the way Finbar has slipped some dodgy margins through here I thought I had a chance there!

quote: What, after all, has England given the world? Apart from Twinings' English Breakfast Tea?

Well Tamerlin’s answer was subtle and stylish but Caligastia hit the nail on the head.

Bitter. As in Real Ale. We should be hailed for that alone.

Then again Finbar’s suggestion had merit too.

quote: South Africa must show they are able to play Rugby before I back them again.

You should honestly expect a better showing from them. After all everyone hates England don’t they?

I am not too keen on the guesswork margins. Lets gloss rapidly over you giving the 4th ranked team in the world such a start over the 3rd. I do so only because if the 3rd win they become 1st and if the 4th lose they become 5th with France taking 4th. Brain melting permutations!

The Zurich computer gives Italy over a forty points head start guys. And it tends to be conservative. Finbar has hood winked you all again.

And Wales need a five converted score margin. They really are that bad. Unless it rains NZ will utterly murder them.

quote: In response to last week's headline in the paper saying "Can anyone in England play cricket?" A group of people were holding up a sign saying "Can anyone in Australia play rugby?"

Nice one. With all due respect to the Aussies who post here I have found in my experience that the best way to deal with the merciless Aussie baiting on sport is to hand it back twofold. It sorts the Finbars (those who can handle it) from those who can’t.

A large proportion of the loudest Pommie detractors suffer extreme sense of humour failures if you bite back – and I talk from personal experience.

quote: I've heard him be called all sorts of things, but never 'marinated'.

They think I drink too much.

quote: Northampton are using decoy runners all over the place and passing the ball behind them. So someone on that island knows how to do it!

Coached by Wayne Smith. Do you see the connection?