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Bloody Monk
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austin, tx
May 2001
time: 23:23
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Originally posted by DaveV
Black hat + HG = a very happy citizen. [rant]Unfortunately, some players went absolutely bonkers with irrigation and some cities have grown into unhappiness. I don't understand the continuing fascination with irrigation - have people been studying the AI's city management techniques? Repeat after me: shields, not food.[/rant]
@Stray: we weren't going for a high score game here; just use Elvis to keep cities out of disorder and continue cranking out the troops. |
I can understand Straybow's "frustration", having noticed an earlier turn where the log mentions selling off many temples, etc; but when one looks at the .sav, those cities are now in revolt.
The rules say victory by conquest or AC; score isn't mentioned. So while your statement is technically true, it is also technically untrue. One thing is certain. In your super minimalist approach score is not a consideration.
No one can argue with how easy it makes city management. No need to check the city list every time. A critical mass of size 3 cities, each with an elvis, cranks out the units with no attention necessary. It goes almost by itself and keeps going 'til the cities hit their shield support limit. Very efficient. Also, very stark and grim. In the inevitable end you have created a machine. A "Metropolis."
If someone wanted to create something more out of the same resources, still winning in the same time frame, does that make them AI stupid??
If two players finish the same year, one with a rating of 95% and the other 195%, did they tie??
It's a clash of civilizations and each finds joy in their preferred style, the conflict coming because it is a Succession Game. It's just that the rant feels a bit fundamentalist, that's all.
(As contrasted with my rant, which is ever so much more accommodating  )
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La Fayette
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albi, france
Oct 2000
time: 06:23
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Pity to disband those crucs, even non vet.
They look so fierce on your picture that, if I were an Aztec woman, I would ask my husband to surrender.
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Straybow
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SG(2)… gone but not forgotten
Jan 1970
time: 23:23
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Tipped a few huts, got a Musketeer near Stray and gold at the others.
1700 Moscow destroyed, 87-ish gold plundered. 
1710 Karakorum destroyed, 440 gold plundered. 
Moscow had a couple Musketeers and a Phalanx. One other Musketeer hand wandered up to the polar band and fortified itself, and another Phalanx was in the fort nearby. A Cat was wandering southwards—the discovering Cruc are now pushing up daisies, but the others bypassed it easily.
Karakorum built a Cat and took out a Cruc. No Musketeers in sight, so they were crushed by large trojan bunnies hurled by improbably powerful catapults.
Tlax and Calix are maxed out—all shields devoted to supporting cats (well, including the one finished via disbanded cruc this turn). They aren't all in place on Tlatelolco's threshold yet. Maybe they'll be enough, maybe not.
 La Fayette, those Crucs may look fierce, but the Musketeers standing up on the wall shall merely fart in their general direction. They shall mock the parentage of our mighty catapults. All shall perish in a hail of lead, with their measley 1 hp.
A new city on the far end of the gulf N of former Indian territories will speed up delivery of replacements nicely.
 Attachment: ap1720.sav
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).
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Bloody Monk
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austin, tx
May 2001
time: 23:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Scouse Gits
A sound plot, but not one guaranteed success - the Aztecs can move to Monarchy and sustain three free defenders - quite enough if they are vet Musks - they have undeniable access to fishing grounds - actual starvation would be as slow as the build up of forces.
Now, I accept that the AI might well choose to remain in Republic and disband defensive units in order to build more settlers - it's usual response to food shortage - but would we get the same satisfaction from such a victory?
Let the lads have their glory! Ten vet Cats backed by thirty vet Crooks should be sufficient and we cannot be far from these figures now.
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You are correct to point out what the AI MIGHT do. Please don't take this the wrong way, but...They MIGHT have cleared the forest around their Capital in the previous 5700 years as well.
It was my experience, both in the 1730 'accidental' win and the 1630 win, in a replay doing everything the same except for the 1500 dateline discovery, that the AI stayed Republic. The idea is to cover his shield squares, not the food. Don't want to hurt the "soon to be my" city any more than necessary. The Monk must sometimes be bloody, but, is always humane.
It may be somewhat of a stretch, but the UN arms embargo against Iraq is a version of a shield siege. It also shows how important it is to cover all the shield tiles, er, loopholes.
In the 1730 game the shield siege had been in effect for a century while I waited for the supposed 1750 date. First one city fell, then a second, and finally, the Capital--that for many, many turns under seige--and the Aztecs stayed Republic. But, as they say, your mileage may vary.
As for "Let the lads have their glory!", that's part of what I was getting at earlier in my suggestion to "think outside the box." Like the British generals in WW1 who relished the "glory" of sending foot against machine guns, I suppose one MIGHT get a kick out of doing it the old fashioned way. The Monk offers this: there is no glory in senseless death.
Well, that's my two cents. But that's the beauty of Succession Games (and peanut galleries)...Fire when ready, sir!!
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31-12-2002 19:13
Dave: Yeah, happiness bug makes it survivable. More money would be nice.
and hope for Metallurgy 
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... Hydey is up!
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Who would'a thunk it, me figgering it out! 
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