22-01-2003 00:34									#421
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so far (have not pressed end turn yet)

built settler
put the Voice's worker on the cattle (7 turns for growth, 15 for settler)

Jon Miller

	22-01-2003 01:15									#422
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Looks goods Jon

*God, I'm starting to sound like a "Yes Man"!

	22-01-2003 04:13									#423
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sounds good. yeah working the cattle square will help out. We still may have to wait a few turn until our city reaches size 3 before when our settler is ready. But we do want to get these next few cities out quickly.

	22-01-2003 04:21									#424
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Jon I see a barbarian unit. Perhaps we should move one of our fotified warriors to look for a barb encampment. In fact we will need to root out barbs when we build our city down south.

	22-01-2003 04:29									#425
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Yes - I would try and hunt down the encampment - 25 gold usually. And our warriors get some practice.

Any chance we both missed an original goody hut?

	22-01-2003 04:46									#426
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doubt it

	22-01-2003 04:50									#427
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Me too. But had to ask.

	22-01-2003 16:16									#428
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Not sure if Jon moved the spearman. But I'm sure we want to accompany the settler with a spearman right?

	22-01-2003 17:05									#429
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For sure!

And the other on the chokepoint.

	23-01-2003 10:31									#430
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I agree - as long as we work towards building cities at the ore deposits....be it protected workers building roads or protected settlers traveling to the future city location.

	23-01-2003 12:05									#431
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screen shots sent. road complete. gives us 1 extra gold per turn. moving spearman down to accompany settler. Actually he was stuck in the Voice one turn, so we'll arrange a swap of spearman.

	24-01-2003 19:18									#432
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Any luck with the barb encampment? We could use the 25 gold for our trade deals, or to support a per-turn loss in research.

	24-01-2003 23:00									#433
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I think the encampment is to the east.

We have 2 units on the chokepoint. We can take the warrior off to investigate. Or take on of our units standing guard in the mountains in the south. Or use the unit guarding the worker which I'd rather not do.

	24-01-2003 23:17									#434
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I would suggest the look-out on the mountain to the east, and clsoest to the barbarian we could see. He has to be closest to the encampment, the other look-out will suffice for a few turns, and once he is done he can move back onto the mountain. I think if we wait fr one of the others to move south - GS may see the barbarian and go after the gold. And I agree - we do not uncover the worker. He is worth more than 25 gold at this point in the game.

	26-01-2003 05:18									#435
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City site. One consideration. On the fish-wheat site, the city centre will be two tiles from the iron. We pop rush a temple, and we can expand to get it - but not right away. Also, as soon as GS gets iron working - and they will get it one way or the other - they merely need to drop down a city in the plains square next to the iron and they will get it. The only defense then will be to have a pile of spearmen camped out on the square and refusing to move. And if we build a road to connect it, that road will work for them as well, so we would be forced to destroy the road to deny them the iron. By then - hopefuly, we will have the eastern city site in as well, and full access to iron.

If we reach some kind of long-term alliance with Lux and GS, this whole discussion becomes moot, but if not, it could be critical. Then again, if GS has iron farther south, what would they care.

But in the short term, it does raise the question again of settling on the eastern site first. But as previously stated, that city will not grow at all, and it will be obvious to GS why we put it there, which could raise the foreign relations temperature even more.

	26-01-2003 12:13									#436
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we place units on the mountain of course

That should be enough to stake a claim.

Remember we are not playing the ai. They can't just plop a city down and demand you leave their land like the AI does. . The stupid ai doesn't recognize that we claimed it. But a human player will recognize it... or else

In fact when we get ready to place our city down, I suggest moving the warrior to the west Iron Mountain. This will not seem suspicous as our city is right there. They will assume we are staging a lookout for our precious city.

	26-01-2003 12:32									#437
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also I updated the thread of everything a little bit. As per suggestion I did bump up the research rate. We can adjust this later as needed.

I also moved the warrior to the east to the north to search for those pesky barbarians.

Nothing much else to report. Just going to road north to the cows. Later we can mine the cows. And then we can mine the grassland squares for millertown. But that is later..

	26-01-2003 19:17									#438
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Thanks Diss. Your point about the claim is valid. And I agree, that troops should do it. But the mechanics of the game are the mechanics, and a city plunked down next to the iron source will have that source within its radius, as opposed to our city which will be two tiles away. That's when it will get a bit tense. We will be using troops do deny them a resource withing their own city borders. But tension is a good thing. We seem to have done OK so far with a tense start.

	27-01-2003 13:31									#439
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looks like GS will beat us to that barbarian encampment. The map looks kind of weird. but it does look like a barbarian encampent on top of a mountain in the NE portion of S. Estonia.

I did wipe out a straggling barbarian with a warrior. But I can't reach the encampent in time. GS will probably use their warrior to take it out next turn.

	27-01-2003 19:05									#440
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We can always hope that the barbarian encampment will kill GS's warrior if they attack it...

	28-01-2003 03:22									#441
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Damn - and you know - they shouldn't even be on OUR land!!!

Could've used the 25 gold.

	28-01-2003 07:19									#442
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Do we know yet if they (GS) did, in fact, attack the encampment?

	28-01-2003 08:21									#443
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Hi Witt. Come to #voxcontroli if you want to catch the end of the negotiations. It is exhausting. Jon is doing a fine job - I am being quiet.

	28-01-2003 11:56									#444
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we will find out this turn

	29-01-2003 04:27									#445
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yes they got the encampment.

turn sent out.

	29-01-2003 04:45									#446
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