27-01-2004 19:22									#151
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I have seen it (never at raging), but don't recall ever playing at huts only - so I doubt your conclusion York

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	27-01-2004 20:07									#152
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I believe the abandoned village response fills the barb outcome slot when you have chosen to play at no barbs level. Since we all have played raging hoards level for so many years, this kind of question is like a trivia stumper.

Sadly, the RtFM response fails here as the manual is silent on this one (one??) topic.

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	27-01-2004 20:25									#153
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But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

[edit]OK, I was just being pedantic about the wording - you can't play ordinary Civ 2 without the barbs. Thanks to everyone below who noticed this, agreed with me, and special bonus points to BM, for pointing out the +1 aspect, although he didn't rush to mention all the other +1ers (see below for details) [/edit]

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	27-01-2004 20:27									#154
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Never seen at raging or restless (or wrath). Never played at less. I always thought it was a scenario-only option.

	27-01-2004 20:28									#155
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

I think that's what he was referring to.

	27-01-2004 20:52									#156
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It does occur at restless tribes also. Those of us who also play at CFC see it occasionally.

A first hypothesis would be that there is a percentage of weeds from 0 (raging) to 100 (no barbs) which occurs in the slot reserved for barbarians.

	27-01-2004 20:56									#157
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york But there isn't a "no barbs" level. The least you can have (from the set-up options, at least) is hut-only barbs.

Hut-only means no barbs; but you knew that. Since the sentence was about barbs and hut outcomes....

But you knew that too. Nice +1 though.

Monk

	27-01-2004 22:22									#158
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(always fun to stir up the RCCers...)

I bring it up because I got one recently: GOTM 36 at CFC, settings Diety difficulty, Restless Barbs. Don't recall the exact year, but it sent me back to Samson's thread to see if he had a probability.

My gut feeling is that it is related to the Barb level, with very low chance at Raging (perhaps 0?), increasing chance as Barb level is lowered. Don't have enough data to speculate on difficulty level. Anyone want to test that out?

	28-01-2004 01:43									#159
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quote: Perhaps 0

Definately 0 at Raging. No one has ever gotten one in a RAH rules game. (of course they're all played at deity too) There have been over 1000 RAH rules games.

	28-01-2004 01:57									#160
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And you remember them all? Guess you are not as old as you make out...

Seriously, though, that was my suspicion but I have learned the wisdom of not making definitive pronouncements without overwhelming data. Sounds like you have it.

	28-01-2004 12:36									#161
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I thought I'd seen it at Deity - but that was long ago and in another country so perhaps my memory is failing.

RJM at Sleeper's

	28-01-2004 18:21									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Elephant And you remember them all? Guess you are not as old as you make out...

Naw, still old. For me, getting an empty village is just a reminder that I agreed to play in a game at less than raging. Always annoying.

	02-02-2004 02:04									#163
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I once got a series of empty huts. Five or six of them in a row. I was soooo pissed!

The level was definitely deity, though I can't remember if it was restless or raging, cause I was playing restless with my friends before we switched to raging a couple of months ago.


And in HOTW4 I got a couple of empty huts, but the barbarian level was villages only, contrary to my suggestions (barbarian wrath). Deity hates barbs so we had to reduce their aggressiveness level for him.

	03-02-2004 00:36									#164
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wow, that's an excellent analysis

	06-02-2004 23:09									#165
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The standard response was always difficulty level doesn't matter, just the barb level. It definitely does not appear on Deity/raging as many have said.

The rest may be an ever repeated belief with no testing, but wasn't there somethine in (William?) Keegan's barb paper on this?

	06-02-2004 23:24									#166
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Something definative has been tested/posted, but I'm too lazy to find it. But it's brobably in Keegan's paper like you say.

	07-02-2004 01:07									#167
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The name is KEENAN and his 'Barbarian paper' is to be found in the Great Library
(but I haven't noticed any test about empty ruins)

	07-02-2004 03:31									#168
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Opps, I wasn't sure and just copied it from Spike's post since he USUALLY knows what he's talking about.

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	07-02-2004 03:49									#169
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Hehe I wasn't sure of the name either.......but I put the (?) by the William rather than the Keegan. It was close enough for everyone to know who I meant.

	06-05-2004 21:23									#170
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bump

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Monk

	07-05-2004 01:38									#171
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I keep about a dozen threads in my Favorites menu, but I rely on ST's GL#2 to find the others. We can't "bump" them all...

BTW, I suspect the percentages shift when you use Restless or Roving. There is definitely a chance of empty huts that is not present in Raging.

	14-02-2005 10:50									#172
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>Mercenary units are supported by the nearest city, >unless the nearest city is foreign in which case they >are NONE.

One picky comment.. the mercenary will also be NONE if the city to which it would be assigned cannot support an added unit..

	14-02-2005 12:27									#173
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Wow! I never knew that! This is very important for MP. Now I'm gonna put every citizen on ocean squares before I pop huts in the future.

	14-02-2005 13:14									#174
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Does the ability of the nearest city to support a unit change the odds that the hut produces one, or is it just a question of where the unit is assigned to?

RJM at Sleeper's

	14-02-2005 18:16									#175
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Uh- I have just checked this and GabrielGL is **not** correct. If a unit is received from a hit, the game assigns it to the nearest city even if it causes a shield defecit. Then on the next turn one of the unsupportable units is disbanded, usually the farthest one from the city in question.

Too bad - I thought that a new strategy had been discovered!

	16-02-2005 02:21									#176
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Damn, I thought we found another loophole.
But since MP is sometimes slightly different the SP, we may have to verify this one.