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Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
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Israel murders a grandmother of 94 years old, shooting her in the back. Suffering from ads?

The photos were shocking.

Such monstrocity is beyond human comprehension.

The IDF started shooting blindly at a bus killing a number of people including an elderly woman, 94 years old. Her children and grandchildren were crying at her funeral, kissing her for the last time.


"Retribution" for the "retribution" of the "retribution"...

1.600 Palestinians and 600 Israelis have been killed in the later months of the warfare.

The IDF also launched a couple of missiles from helicopters blindly to a building, killing some more people.

I doubt anyone can seriously say who is the only terrorist here and keep a straight face.

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It's clear to me. What so hard to see??

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A van at high speed trying to cross a road block on a prohibited road that refused to stop when the soldiers ordered the driver to do so. That couldn't have played some part in it, could it?

There should be an investigation, and the soldiers responsible need to be disciplined accordingly. But terrorism?

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The IDF also launched a couple of missiles from helicopters blindly to a building, killing some more people.


The IDF fired a missile targeting and killing a senior bombaker of Fatah. I have read nothing that said that anyone else was killed. Source?

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'Such monstrocity is beyond human comprehension.
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not over in that part of the world.

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And in other parts of the world too, unfortunately.

We just don't hear about it so much, or we have forgotten.

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The only surprise here is she made it to 94, before getting killed.

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how do you consider this murder??

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1.600 Palestinians and 600 Israelis have been killed in the later months of the warfare.


That show's us who kill most people!

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1.600 Palestinians and 600 Israelis have been killed in the later months of the warfare.
Out of interest, can we break this down into civilian v. combatant numbers?

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Out of interest, can we break this down into civilian v. combatant numbers?


would you call a boy throwing rocks at tanks a combatant or not?

just saying, it may be hard to differentiate between palestinian soldiers and civilians

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would you call a boy throwing rocks at tanks a combatant or not?
No, but I would call a member of the military wing of Hamas, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the Islamic Jihad, etc. a combatant if that would help you give a better answer.

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Why are you so happy to quote anti-israeli news, yet fail to reply to Edan's remarks?

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yes, ISRAEL. actually, it was me who killed the elderly lady, that was btw, illegaly crossing into Israel, and was at first faced with shots in the air, and after refusing to stop was fired upon.

But that doesn't go well with the troll, right paikits?

oh and "shooting blindly into a building". that's rich.

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Israeli occupants killing Palestinians who only want their freedom.

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I don't have to reply to anything.
Israel on the other hand does.

I wonder if dinodoc considers grandmothers as members of Hamas or small children climbing Israeli tanks and then being shot and assassinated as "militants".

Or if he doesn't care.

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Who are the Israelians and why are they killing Palestines? I thought that the only people we were talking about were the Israelis and the Palestinians.

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English is a minority language in the world. We use it, we abuse it, you are understand.

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Who are the Israelians and why are they killing Palestines? I thought that the only people we were talking about were the Israelis and the Palestinians.


LOL??? How old are you? Speak my language and then shut up!

Back to topic the Israeli terrorists kill innocent Palestinians and you call the Palestinian freedom fighters for terrorists.

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He's done it before and for some reason it is quite annoying given the fact that it is spelled correctly in this thread for him.

Az is offline Az
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Sure, VB, suuure....

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Out of interest, can we break this down into civilian v. combatant numbers?


Here is one calculation

Here is a statistical analysis from July

They don't always use the same definition, though.

Personally, since a rock can be a deadly weapon, and something like a dozen or so people have been killed by rock throwing over the last 10 years or so, I find indiduals who throw rocks to be comatants. Certainly, if ppeople were throwing rocks at a policeman in the US, I would think it a very predictable response that the policeman might fire back if they couldn't be subdued or stopped some other way.

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Thank you, Edan.

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Israeli occupants killing Palestinians who only want their freedom.


I think you misspelled "who only want to kill Israelis"

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So according to your standards, small children throwing rocks at tanks who invade their lands are combatants to be shot.

I have nothing else to discuss with you or any need to glance at your "statistics".

And here is the photo.

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LOL??? How old are you? Speak my language and then shut up!

Back to topic the Israeli terrorists kill innocent Palestinians and you call the Palestinian freedom fighters for terrorists.


How can you be a viking when your obviously a Norse troll?

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Silly troll my brother, far beneath you.

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Paiktis, You become no better that an anti-Semitic terrorist yourself if you merely state that IDF murdered a 94 year old grandmother without also stating the circumstances of the bus as clarified by Eden.

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Then you're just going to have to bomb me Ned.



Aisha Obeid, the daughter of 95-year-old Palestinian woman Fatima Mohamed Obeid, kisses her mother's body in Ramallah December 3, 2002. Fatima Mohamed Obeid was killed when Israeli soldiers opened fire on the van she was travelling in, near the West Bank city of Ramallah. Israeli soldiers shot dead the woman who was taking a taxi home from her doctor's office, Palestinian witnesses and medics said. Israeli military sources said soldiers shot at the tires of a Palestinian vehicle travelling on a prohibited road north of Ramallah after it ignored calls to halt.
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So according to your standards, small children throwing rocks at tanks who invade their lands are combatants to be shot.


Shouldn't be shot if they can be stopped or the situation diffused in some other way. But if shooting is the only way...This is, after all, a war, and if someone is throwing a deadly object at me, I see no reason why a soldier wouldnt have the right to defend him or herself from hostile fire.


I have to wonder, though, are these the children you're referring to?

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This is such an unbelievably lame troll.

How stupid do you think we are?

 
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