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Meet my blade!
Sep 2002
time: 06:24
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Some more details on Bob:
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zeit - greetings dear sir. I couldn't help but smile at DeepO's post in the public forum on the on-going debate over our excursion onto the continent.
Quote from DeepO:
"Only one minor problem, though, it seems Vox's journey hasn't taught you much when it comes to warning your neighbours you're going to perform some strange tricks with territoy. Now you have a bulls-eye painted on that city, which is closer to NDs territory, and for the moment undefended with long support lines... I wonder if ND considers it their territory or not, after all, they are now relatively one city behind, and they applied most of the pressure (at least publicly, I don't know what happened behind the curtains)"
I wonder if he was closer to the mark than any of us realize. There are numerous rumors flying about right now - RolePlay seems to be the ultimate source of many of them - so it makes one think.
Three that we at Vox have heard include:
- GoW and you against Vox.
- Gow and you against NeuD.
- and the one which may be have some grain of truth to it and which relates to the above - GoW and RP against NeuD.
The last and in our opinion, the most likely scenario, may provide a prime opportunity for Vox's return to the continent. We are keen to try again before the middle ages brings riders and ansar warriors to the scene. We want an opportunity to consolidate our gains and prepare defences.
However, if the first rumor is true - please advise.
Or, if the second is true - count us in.
Anyways, we will continue to update you as we hear anything, and as our plans develop. Eventually we are going to have to jointly prepare bigger plans for Bob. For now - we are happy to work on securing a small corner of it.
If you have heard anything, or have any thoughts on the political and military situation over there, we would appreciate if you could share it with us.
Trust all is well in the south.
Regards ... Beta.
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Meet my blade!
Sep 2002
time: 06:24
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My reply, trying to turn the focus on the more pressing tech issue:
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Honorable BetaHound of Vox Controli
Thanks again for the information. I'm glad to hear things worked out for you- although you had to back out, and obviously had some losses, it could have been far worse. We were also quite suprised of the way RP handled the situation- we would have expected them to at least keep themselves out of this. Perhaps they didn't feel this was the right time for them to antagonize ND and GoW, therefor they joined their "Off-of-Bob" campaign against you. Maybe if you would have timed this with them, things could have been different, but that's pure speculation...
You've have mentioned a few rumors- but i wouldn't take rumors seriously at this point. As for the ones which involve us- i can assure you none are true. We have also heard several "report", from first hand about X+Y against Z. It seems the Bobians tend to jump into conclusion prematurely, and put a label of enemies on those who don't cooperate ("you're either with us, or agianst us" )- maybe that's the reason the Bobians formed a unified front- they just think that if they won't do so, they'll be labeled as enemies of, in this case, GoW. I'm afraid i can't tell you more than that, because we don't have that much updated information on the happenings on Bob, as you seem to have. If we will have that sort of iinfo on the happenings there, we'll let you know.
As for our tech sharing arrangement:
Now that you no longer have to take care of defensive buildup as much as you had to when you had a city on Bob, i think it would be appropriate to once again go through the details of our tech partnership. I realize Vox's economy is rather small, but the agreement we had was that each of us contributes as much as he can. The GS has made alot of effort- both on the negotiation tables with other nations, and in our research labs (or dungeons, to be precise... ), to make sure we both keep up with the tech race, and even have our chances at trading techs.
I ask you to review our last proposal for a revision of our tech partnership. I understand you want this agreement to last longer than 20 turns, but like you said- Vox will need some more time to bring up its economy to be able to keep up with the tech speed of the GS and the rest of the world, and make a decent contribution in research. But for the time being, there's no reason not to contribute in another way. Therefore, i want you to reconsider the idea of you giving the GS gpt for 20 turns, after which the arrangement will be renegotiated, to make it adaptable to the changing situation- yours and ours economic capabilities, other trading options, and the like.
I'm sure that some agreement can be reached, based on our last proposals- the details can be negotiated, of course, but please remember what we have here is a partnership- in which both sides contribute as much as they can.
Cordially
Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:24
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Private messaging, times are GMT+2:00.
Previously, BetaHound asked if we can talk in the public channel, and I asked that we keep our communications to private messages. Here's what followed:
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[22:54] BetaHound: would cover our tracks - and I can catch you later- no rush
[22:55] BetaHound: OK?
[22:55] Shiber: okee :)
[22:55] BetaHound: sorry about that - take care - hope all is well with you.
[22:56] Shiber: Thanks :))
[22:56] Shiber: you can contact DeepO as soon as you like
[22:56] Shiber: by private msg, of course
[22:57] BetaHound: yes - understood - but sometimes it is easier to chat off the record. DeepO and nathan and zeit all do a lot of posturing.
[22:57] BetaHound: I'll be quick -
[22:58] BetaHound: we are heading back to the continent shortly - I suspect GS will not be in a position to help - nor would want to - but I was just curious.
[22:59] BetaHound: We have a better plan this time.
[23:00] Shiber: this sounds serious
[23:00] Shiber: perhaps you will appreciate the help of our master tacticians :)
[23:00] BetaHound: Lend us Theseus? :)
[23:00] Shiber: ;)
[23:01] Shiber: though i can't speak for the team, i'm sure that we can provide you with advice if you forward us maps and reports of your position and so on
[23:01] BetaHound: Well - we may put this through official channels - probably in a turn or two.
[23:02] BetaHound: We won't underestimate this time. :)
[23:02] Shiber: btw, maybe invading right now is not such a good idea; you'll be in anarchy soon, if you're going to switch to republic
[23:02] BetaHound: We might wait.
[23:02] Shiber: btw, we may be able to help with such things as gold for immortal upgrades
[23:02] * DeepO invites you to join #MoreCoffee
[23:02] BetaHound: Yes - that would help - we are running a wee bit low right now.
[23:03] BetaHound: OK - we should get this official - thanks for listening. Gotta go.
[23:03] BetaHound: take care - peace!
[23:03] Shiber: anyway, that's just my ideas, nothing official
[23:03] Shiber: again, you should talk to deepo later
[23:03] Shiber: cya
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Dec 1999
time: 23:24
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New message from BetaHound:
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Three Items
Dear Zeit of Gathering Storm.
Greetings. Jon is busy with something called school and real-life right now, and to be honest, our scientists aren't quite sure what either of those are. He has asked that I contact you regarding three items.
1. An Update:
We have been working hard on the diplomatic front, as some had suggested we should have done the last time, trying to reach a peaceful agreement with at least GoW, to allow us to settle a limited corner of Bob, and re-claim our city. We initially met with some success, but it may have come off the rails last evening after a lengthy discussion with GoW. It is not clear to us if they are getting pressured by NeuD on this - nor how solid the alliances are or are not between the Bobians. What were originally reasonable demands become unreasonable very quickly. Therefore, we now feel we will probably need to use force to back up our claim.
2. A Request:
I had asked Shiber earlier if members of GS would be willing to provide some tactical advice when we return to the continent. Short of lending us Theseus or Arrian or DeepO, we could at least explain the terrain and our battle plan, and the strategy forum could analyze it for us. Konquest02 is a recent addition to Vox Controli - so I'm sure they speak the same language.
3. An Offer
As a prepatory move to us going back to Bob - we obtained a number of turns back - at considerable expense - a complete map of Bob, with cities and roads. It is current to about 6 turns ago. And on the other hand, we also need cash to finance our return to Bob (we do not call it an invasion as no one owns the land as of yet).
So - we would like to offer the map of Bob in exchange for:
1. 200 gold, and we repay 120 gold in 24 turns.
or
2. 160 gold.
The first represents a lower price, and a loan to be repaid in full, without interest, in 24 turns. The second is a straight cash deal.
Can you please get back to me on items 2 and 3. As we are getting close to launching galleys - we would like to hear sooner than later if at all possible.
And by the way, like what you have done with the neighborhood. How are the beaches and bars at Monsoon?
Thank-you, and regards .... Beta.
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Meet my blade!
Sep 2002
time: 06:24
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To Beta:
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BetaHound,
I'm once again sorry for the delay. I'll be brief about this, as i have to get myself prepared to a 20 days trip to the US(!). Nathan will most likely replace me, but i'm not sure about it yet. I'll let you know about this tommorow.
About the map offer: we are currently abit low on cash, as we need it for rushing projects in our cities and for greater investment in research (we're a republic, after all), so i offer you another deal, for a worldmap trade:
We offer you a trade of Feudalism for the world map- since you have tagged the map as worth 160 gold, and we have tagged ours 200 gold (less than 30% the beaker cost), what we're actually offering is a 20% discount. Feudalism will be most important for you in your efforts to defend any cities you might have on Bob- and will also deter would-be attackers.
As for the part about advising you with your moves on Bob- we fear this might hurt the spirit of the game, if we have direct influence on your specific decisions such as where to attack and the like, but if you're looking for something general, like the last correspondences between us which included sharing our insights on the politics on Bob and RP role in this, it could be possible. I'll let you discuss this more thoroughly with whoever i find to replaces me in the next 20 days. Like i said- i'll tell you about it tommorow.
Hoping to hear from you soon
Kind Regards
Zeit.
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:24
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Another message froim Vox:
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Dear zeit
As per your recommendation, I have taken my previously prepared draft and deleted the specific military descriptions and questions. Again - I understand your reluctance to provide such advice from a game perspective.
But I will give you a general outline of our intentions, and our reading of the politics.
The upcoming Bob 2 mission is appropriately named Operation MacArthur. ("People of Wittlich West, I will return.") We learned a few things from our first excursion. One - don't under-estimate their reaction time. Two - take sufficient force to back your words. And three - claim the best defensive terrain quickly.
The NE corner of Bob is hilly territory, except for a plain closest to the point which overlooks North Estonia. You will see this from the map after the trade. And on that plain is Wittlich West - now named Desolation Point by GoW.
Our intent is to land in force - 6 Immortals and 6 Spearmen - and on the hills. We will use two galleys and can have everyone across very quickly. We will also be taking a settler over fairly soon to build another city. The existing city will likely then be taken by cultural conversion, or we can negotiate a sale depending how the diplomatic situation unfolds, or we simply take it by force.
We expect the initial NeuD and GoW reaction to be similar to last time. What is not clear is whether they will be willing to commit to a longer term war of attrition if we can convince them of our limited goals of 4 or 5 cities on Bob, and prove that it will be costly to kick us out. We have been trying to negotiate exactly this for some time now. An agreement that specifies the number of cities allowable - and even where. Similar to the deal we reached earlier on.
We are also counting somewhat on tensions between RolePlay and their neighbours to hopefully prevent the kind of united front we met last time - and maybe make GoW and NeuD reconsider the prospects of a two-front war.
We will continue to commit reserves to Bob, and given the supremacy of defence over offence, we expect the beach-head will hold quite well.
Any thoughts from a diplomatic angle would be appreciated. Thank-you in advance for your input. And, wish us luck.
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:24
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And yet another message from BetaHound:
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Greeting Nathan.
I understand zeit is away, and I wanted to update GS on what has been a busy day at Vox.
We have made a public announcement of our landing. GoW would see it next turn anyway - so we thought it best to be pro-active. This should be interesting. We had almost reached an agreement with GoW on a settlement arrangment but it fell apart at the 11th hour. We are hoping that RolePlay is the crack in the alliance and that we can exploit it. There are indications that we may be able to. We have had an embassy with Roleplay for a number of turns now, hoping to be able to negotiate them into an in-game alliance against the others - if we cannot work out a peaceful settlement. There is still a chance that this may happen - and our timing of landing in force - and hopefully getting ourselves peacefully established before chivalry - is intended to help them see the logic in a peaceful settlement. Time will tell.
Speaking of embassies, that is the other piece of news. After a long debate in the Voxian senate it was decided to also establish embassies with you and Lego. Several argued that the ability to form in-game alliances outweighed the cost in gold, and the military uses it could go to. An in-game alliance was seen to compel compliance. Others, myself included, argued that this could be accomplished out-of-game, at no cost. However, the vote was 5-3 for, with Dissident being away. So our ambassadors can finely meet on plush carpets and in comfortable chairs.
The one big advantage to you in this is that our world map now highlights the Lego capital, in addition to the large portion of the Lego coast which is visible. All of Bob is covered, including a smaller island to the west with two GoW cities. I cannot recall this being mentioned anywhere. We have offered our world map to you this turn as per zeit's instructions. This will allow discussion at your end, and if you agree, just add the gold and accept. Thank-you. The gold is appreciated - particularly with the embassy cost. (arrgghh)
Back to the alliance issue - we want to re-assure you that at no time in our negotaitions with the continental civs did we ever feign your support in our cause, nor did we ever threaten your involvement along side of us. I am not sure what the Bobians make of our relationship. Several suspect the trade agreement which has existed for awhile, but we clearly know more about them then they do about us. So we took no liberties whatsoever with your position in any of this. We would not presume to do so.
However, that being said, we would like to discuss with you the longer-term possibilities in this regards. If the Bobian landing gets really nasty - and we obviously hope it doesn't - we may want to discuss with more vigor the possibility of an alliance. It would be one way of cutting the continental civs down to size - and better that we do it on their turf than ours. Our timing is such that we want to get established - by force if necessary - well before chivalry is available. I am sure that chivalry and what it entails will heighten the tensions between RP and their neighbors (and the map explains why their neighbors might be a bit aggravated), and that we become a sideshow. That will give us an opportunity - to either firmly establish ourselves - or perhaps do some serious damage. Getting ahead of myself here. Anyways - that was some of the thinking behind the in-game alliance matter. But we do not need to decide that tonight.
It has been a long day. Sorry to ramble. But thought it best we kept you in the loop,. We will let you know how things develop.
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:24
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I do not consider my posting this here "dishonorable" in the least, as the request to "keep it quiet" has come from a proven enemy of the state, and therefore, his words presently hold little weight with me.
Nonetheless, if we can keep the *illusion* that the majority of the team does not know about it, so much the better (ie - this is prolly not something we want to talk about in the public fora).
Here's the PM I recieved last evening (late....just saw it this morning from a very high-ranking Vox member):
Hi Vel,
You posted this in the open forum:
"Still time to diffuse the situation, if you want to.... We're lovers and poets at heart....like the Scots, actually.
But....it appears you've already cast your die, yes?
-=Vel=-"
Would you care to discuss this further? We have delayed playing our turn, and have asked Lego to delay playing their's for a bit. I am out of town for the rest of today and the first part of tomorrow - but will be around late afternoon (edt) tomorrow.
And if I may ask - if we do discuss it - please don't bring the whole team. Maybe you and nye and/or nathan.
Have a good easter week-end. Cheers ...
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...16&pagenumber=1
just to keep stuff organized....
-=Vel=-
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Aug 2001
time: 22:24
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I caught up with Jon Miller. I think this will be helpful in gauging Vox resolve.
EDIT: I took the liberty of taking out all the < and >'s so the names were visible. - Aeson
EDIT: Thanks, Aeson - nye
Session Start: Sat Apr 19 18:49:34 2003
Session Ident: #Balls
[18:49] * Now talking in #Balls
[18:52] * Jon_Miller has joined #balls
[18:52] Jon_Miller: hey man
[18:53] notyoueither: hi
[18:53] notyoueither: how goes things?
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Chat about school and work.
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[18:58] notyoueither: so. we find ourselves on the opposite sides of a front line.
[18:59] Jon_Miller: oh, yah, in Civ3
[18:59] notyoueither: you paying much attention lately?
[18:59] Jon_Miller: I have been reading, and occasionally putting in comments
[19:00] notyoueither: good. btw, no hard feelings on my part. it's a game.
[19:00] Jon_Miller: oyu?
[19:00] Jon_Miller: yah
[19:00] notyoueither: well, the dow got my attention.
[19:00] Jon_Miller: Beta is the main leader in this operation
[19:00] Jon_Miller: dow = declaration of war??
[19:00] notyoueither: we've been gathering that.
[19:00] notyoueither: yes to dow.
[19:01] notyoueither: i guess we shouldn't have been entirely surprised.
[19:01] Jon_Miller: I was sort of surprised
[19:01] Jon_Miller: by the idea
[19:02] Jon_Miller: but than those who presented the plan, argued well and good
[19:02] notyoueither: it did sort of run counter to what you and Nathan discussed.
[19:02] Jon_Miller: yes
[19:02] Jon_Miller: they argued well and good, and I saw the light in their statements
[19:03] notyoueither: there has been little contact since then. maybe none. some of us thought maybe we should find out what your objectives are.
[19:03] notyoueither: and what led to us instead of Bob.
[19:03] Jon_Miller: oh yah
[19:03] notyoueither: brb
[19:04] notyoueither: back
[19:05] notyoueither: can you tell me why you came to us instead of to Bob?
[19:05] Jon_Miller: our final objectives are still a little in the air, the option of
[19:05] notyoueither: sorry, go on.
[19:05] Jon_Miller: redirecting our efforts is not
[19:05] Jon_Miller: does not have many proponents
[19:06] Jon_Miller: 
[19:06] notyoueither: ok.
[19:06] notyoueither: can you tell me why you came to us instead of to Bob?
[19:06] Jon_Miller: (but was suggested)
[19:06] Jon_Miller: oh, yah
[19:06] Jon_Miller: there was a discussion of our long range plans, and our options, and they led us to you
[19:06] notyoueither: why?
[19:06] Jon_Miller: (I had typed that up eralier, than decided to talk about ojectives first
[19:07] Jon_Miller: if we did what we were doing we would soon become a third world nation
[19:07] Jon_Miller: and cease to exist
[19:07] Jon_Miller: as such plans were discussed to remedy this situation
[19:08] Jon_Miller: some plans dealt with Bob, others with GS
[19:08] notyoueither: i guess getting support from Bob helped choose GS.
[19:09] Jon_Miller: the plan that came out ontop, was a strike at GS (as being the best chance at survival as the Voice)
[19:09] Jon_Miller: not having to attakc all of Bob was a factor
[19:10] notyoueither: unmistakably.
[19:10] Jon_Miller: a prety big one
[19:10] notyoueither: so. how far do you guys want to push it?
[19:10] Jon_Miller: and our options were (And are) still prety limited
[19:11] Jon_Miller: as I said it is open (the thread is one of the more active)
[19:11] notyoueither: well, that is a good sign.
[19:11] Jon_Miller: and the option to quit moving against you is not the most popular
[19:12] Jon_Miller: as for how far
[19:12] Jon_Miller: some think we should go all the way, others think just a ways
[19:12] Jon_Miller: a lot will depend on what we think a GS will do
[19:13] Jon_Miller: that has been injured some
[19:13] notyoueither: injured? what has?
[19:13] Jon_Miller: also it will depend on if we feel that we can keep up the attack
[19:13] Jon_Miller: you haven't been
[19:13] notyoueither: ahh
[19:13] Jon_Miller: but if we took a city, or you were forced to destroy one
[19:14] Jon_Miller: and you lived, would that mean that we would die later, as soon as you could get together a big enough group?
[19:14] notyoueither: we have been discussing it.
[19:15] Jon_Miller: we are pretty sure that the game has changed, and that the game will not end peacefully
[19:15] notyoueither: there is some support for allowing vox an out. not an easy out, but an out.
[19:16] notyoueither: i agree it will not end by space ship at this point.
[19:16] Jon_Miller: you think that you will win (if this went to the alst city?)
[19:17] Jon_Miller: I think we ahve a fair shot at eliminating your presence (And to be honest you probably do also)
[19:17] notyoueither: elimination is always possible. the rng can be a cruel mistriss.
[19:18] Jon_Miller: well yes
[19:19] Jon_Miller: and you have a better shot the longer the war takes
[19:19] Jon_Miller: we know that also
[19:19] notyoueither: i think so.
[19:21] Jon_Miller: may the war be quick
[19:21] Jon_Miller:
[19:21] notyoueither: yes. agreed. :beer:
[19:21] notyoueither: what do you think the Bobians are doing?
[19:22] Jon_Miller: I am not sure
[19:22] notyoueither: ermmm, i'm not sure if it's clear what I am toasting...
[19:22] Jon_Miller: talking on phone
[19:22] notyoueither: go ahead.
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Jon talks on phone to family.
When he returns there is some chat about parents and difficulties they have.
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[20:23] notyoueither: so, are you guys pumped up on the coming clash at Arashi?
[20:23] Jon_Miller: let me check
[20:24] notyoueither: brb
[20:24] Jon_Miller: sorry man
[20:24] Jon_Miller: the screen shot looks in our favor
[20:24] notyoueither: we are... concerned.
[20:25] notyoueither: but what the hell, it's a game.
[20:26] Jon_Miller: yah
[20:26] Jon_Miller: I don't think anyone on our side has noted it much
[20:27] notyoueither: that it is a game?
[20:27] Jon_Miller: no
[20:27] Jon_Miller: that we are probably going to take
[20:27] Jon_Miller: Arashi
[20:28] notyoueither: must have sights set somewhere else?
[20:28] Jon_Miller: hmm?
[20:28] Jon_Miller: no, all the talk has to do with
[20:28] Jon_Miller: what are final goals of this camaign are
[20:28] notyoueither: ahhh.
[20:28] Jon_Miller: and whether we are going to keep producing immortals or settlers
[20:29] notyoueither: who is your general, or generals?
[20:29] Jon_Miller: we speak with oen voice, everyone has a say
[20:29] notyoueither: sounds a lot like us.
[20:29] Jon_Miller: as for who has made plans that we ahve discussed
[20:30] Jon_Miller: Beta of course, and some of the newer memebers
[20:31] Jon_Miller: I have started playing CM also
[20:31] notyoueither: well, it will be interesting to see what the next few turns bring.
[20:32] Jon_Miller: yes
[20:32] Jon_Miller: your mass group of chariots will appear
[20:32] Jon_Miller: and take out our immortals
[20:33] notyoueither: the game gets interesting now. with us, and Bob.
[20:33] Jon_Miller: wow, youhave a lot of troops on the coast
[20:33] Jon_Miller: yes
[20:33] notyoueither: how many do we have there?
[20:34] Jon_Miller: I can't realy tell
[20:34] notyoueither: oh. ok.
[20:34] Jon_Miller: you have a number thoguh (I guess I could count the little things)
[20:34] Jon_Miller: but they are annoying (The slivers that say multiple units are in the stack)
[20:35] notyoueither: you have a few too, hense ours.
[20:35] Jon_Miller: thats true
[20:35] Jon_Miller: also it is close to your greatest victory
[20:36] notyoueither: close our our greatest victory?
[20:36] Jon_Miller: I think that it is unfortunate that there are so few hills arruond your capitol
[20:36] Jon_Miller: oh, itsn;t it close to where your chariot defeated our immortal?
[20:36] notyoueither: unfortunate for whom?
[20:36] notyoueither: yes, it was near there.
[20:37] Jon_Miller: you of course, I think you could use the production
[20:37] Jon_Miller: :0
[20:37] notyoueither: your immortals could use the rough terrain though.
[20:37] notyoueither: all blessing are mixed.
[20:38] Jon_Miller: well yah
[20:38] Jon_Miller: but such is life
[20:39] Jon_Miller: where is y freind, I wanted to be wasting another evening with NWN arround now
[20:39] Jon_Miller: (that is what I did yesterday from 9 tell 6)
[20:39] notyoueither: ahh, waiting for the party to form, eh?
[20:39] Jon_Miller: yah
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Chat about other games being played.
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[20:47] notyoueither: well. i gotta go. nice to catch up with you.
[20:48] Jon_Miller: ok, yah
[20:48] Jon_Miller: nice talkign to you too
[20:48] Jon_Miller: I hope that you didn't get anything from me that my teamates will kill me for
[20:48] notyoueither: take care, and remember, fear the chickens
[20:48] Jon_Miller: ha ha ha ha
[20:48] Jon_Miller: Jpeace out
[20:48] notyoueither: i don;t think so. i think we're both safe.
[20:48] Jon_Miller: cool
[20:48] notyoueither: g'night.
[20:48] Jon_Miller: peace
[20:48] * Jon_Miller has left #balls
Session Close: Sat Apr 19 20:48:56 2003
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Apr 2002
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I just sent this to Konquest2... we have a pretty good relationship from the Strat forum, and are doing the 1.21 succession game.
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Kon, feel free to choose not to reply, but what's up with Vox??!!
Our current theory is that given the magnitude of the turn, you guys are trying to arrange a chat concurrent with combat, so you can all figure out what to do together, turn by turn.
Not so say I'm afraid / positive about the outcome, or fearful / dismissive of Immortals, or anything except I AM TEARING MY HAIR OUT IN ANTICIPATION!!!!
Again, compliments to you and your team mates... a devilish strategy, and well played.
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Hope that is OK with everyone.
[Note: This was sent via PM on MZO... smilies did not copy over to here.]
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:24
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The log from my chat with Beta last night.
Session Start: Thu May 01 20:57:20 2003
Session Ident: #Balls
[20:57] * Now talking in #Balls
[20:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +nt
[20:57] * ChanServ changes topic to '2Balls'
[20:57] * ChanServ sets mode: -o notyoueither
[20:59] * BetaHound has joined #balls
[20:59] {BetaHound> hello
[20:59] {notyoueither> hi
[20:59] {notyoueither> how are things?
[20:59] {BetaHound> how's things?
[20:59] {BetaHound> hehe
[20:59] {BetaHound> good thanks.
[20:59] {notyoueither> not bad.
[21:00] {BetaHound> what are we chatting about?
[21:00] {BetaHound> ptwdg?
[21:01] {notyoueither> yeah. some of us thought it would be good to see where you guys are sitting.
[21:01] {BetaHound> As in 'between a rock and a hard place.'
[21:02] {notyoueither> yeah. we have noticed a decrease in traffic.
[21:02] {BetaHound> I could say - part of the plan.
[21:02] {BetaHound> But - what do you see as the options now?
[21:03] {notyoueither> not sure. one sec.
[21:03] {BetaHound> k
[21:04] {notyoueither> sorry, talking to togas about isdg in polyisdg
[21:04] {notyoueither> just about done.
[21:04] {BetaHound> k
[21:06] {notyoueither> back.
[21:06] {notyoueither> the situation is interesting.
[21:06] {BetaHound> indeed
[21:07] {BetaHound> so - what do you see as the options now?
[21:08] {notyoueither> good question.
[21:08] {notyoueither> it depends on how much you guys are willing to bet on this war.
[21:08] {BetaHound> ???
[21:09] {notyoueither> well, you are attacking. when you started you seemed to have the odds in your favour. but the tables have evened up considerably. the future depends on how much you guys are willing to commit to it.
[21:10] {BetaHound> Yup - that is true. Question?
[21:10] {notyoueither> go ahead.
[21:10] {BetaHound> How much world support have you been able to garner?
[21:11] {notyoueither> hmm, not sure. there is a lot of chatter. yourselves?
[21:12] {BetaHound> Bout the same. But I get the sense that folks are pulling for the underdog.
[21:12] {BetaHound> Makes sense from a larger game perspective.
[21:12] {notyoueither> who is the underdog?
[21:12] {BetaHound> Uh - I think that would be us.
[21:13] {notyoueither> 4 7 from mingapulco. barb at 7 7 7 btw
[21:13] {BetaHound>
[21:13] {BetaHound> one chat at a time is all I can handle.
[21:14] {BetaHound> There is a point to consider here:
[21:14] {notyoueither> sorry bout that beta. have isdg people pestering me.
[21:14] {notyoueither> go ahead.
[21:15] {BetaHound> Regardless of who supports whom ..
[21:15] {BetaHound> And regardless of the extent of that support ..
[21:15] {BetaHound> it is still only the two of us on Estonia.. and ..
[21:16] {BetaHound> the others would be more than happy to see us knock heads for awhile ..
[21:16] {BetaHound> adding a bit of fuel here..
[21:16] {BetaHound> and a bit of fuel there...
[21:16] {BetaHound> but never really finishing it - if you get my drift.
[21:17] {notyoueither> yep. i can see that.
[21:17] {notyoueither> give enough to keep it going, but not enough to support a decision.
[21:17] {BetaHound> It is something we have considered - especially as we are the cannon fodder.
[21:18] {BetaHound> (should've gone 20 turns sooner...)
[21:19] {notyoueither> yes, that would have been interesting.
[21:19] {notyoueither> question. did you guys realise you were violating a NAP?
[21:20] {BetaHound> And?
[21:20] {notyoueither> you don't care then?
[21:21] {BetaHound> The answer to your question is yes - we knew it.
[21:21] {BetaHound> Did we care? Of course.
[21:22] {BetaHound> But what cost surprise - for the little it gained us.
[21:22] {BetaHound> 
[21:22] {notyoueither> yes. grog is near deification among many of our citizens.
[21:23] {BetaHound> So - other than drastically altering your building queues, and killing grog, and forcing you into the GL, it would seem no damage done. Other than to the relationship.
[21:23] {notyoueither> yeah. so far.
[21:24] {BetaHound> So - options - where could we go from here?
[21:25] {BetaHound> We = Vox and GS.
[21:25] {notyoueither> very good question.
[21:26] {notyoueither> many on our side are confident. that leads to a conclusion that we need concessions to consider peace.
[21:27] {BetaHound> Ah. That won't be popular amongst our folks.
[21:27] {notyoueither> i didn't think so given the current situation on the map.
[21:27] {BetaHound> But - despite the unpopularity - what would you see the concessions being.
[21:28] {notyoueither> well. speaking only from the pov of the doves...
[21:28] {notyoueither> land. a lot of it.
[21:28] {notyoueither> the hawks would not approve of me talking to you.
[21:29] {BetaHound> But what will you do with that army - help on the continent?
[21:29] {notyoueither> help what? they seem to be busy building. gow? war with what army?
[21:30] {BetaHound> Let me put it another way.
[21:30] {notyoueither> there is rp to be wary of. they have a harbour... ships... not far from us.
[21:30] {BetaHound> Mere survival does not interest us.
[21:31] {BetaHound> So - if we were to call off this war - we need a good alternative. And peace is not it.
[21:31] {notyoueither> you want to accomplish something. understood. and reasonable.
[21:31] {notyoueither> you propose we go romping on Bob?
[21:31] {BetaHound> Our fist choice was Bob.
[21:31] {BetaHound> first
[21:31] {BetaHound> So - yes.
[21:32] {BetaHound> I doubt they will stick together.
[21:32] {BetaHound> We only need one to break ranks and it will be three against two.
[21:32] {notyoueither> do you have any candidates for the one to break ranks?
[21:32] {BetaHound> And I don't think Lego will move.
[21:33] {BetaHound> RP to start with.
[21:33] {BetaHound> NeuD and GoW are fairly tight ...
[21:33] {BetaHound> but that has drifted slightly with mav_son in charge.
[21:33] {notyoueither> really, there is a change there?
[21:34] {BetaHound> Me thinks.
[21:34] {BetaHound> But I would not bet my bottom dollar on it.
[21:34] {notyoueither> hmmm. that would be good if they changed.
[21:35] {BetaHound> GoW might be persuadable as well.
[21:35] {notyoueither> there is only one problem with scenario you put forth.
[21:35] {BetaHound> yes?
[21:35] {BetaHound> trsut?
[21:35] {notyoueither> there are only two places for us to expand to. 3 actually, but 3 don;t count.
[21:36] {notyoueither> trust is another hurdle.
[21:36] {BetaHound> Yes - you get all the land south of Elipoils.
[21:36] {notyoueither> you would agree to that?
[21:37] {BetaHound> Depending on the chunk of the continent we took, yes. That was our original plan all along.
[21:37] {notyoueither> we may have a possibility here.
[21:38] {notyoueither> i would imagine the land just off your coast would be the best land for you on bob.\
[21:39] {BetaHound> yup - we know what we want. Trip made it out to be crappy - but compared to what we got - we would be happy.
[21:39] {BetaHound> One minor problem.
[21:39] {BetaHound> No iron.
[21:39] {notyoueither> that is a problem. but one with a solution, perhaps.
[21:40] {BetaHound> We would need a permanent rade deal - which is also yourguarentee that we behave.
[21:40] {BetaHound> trade
[21:40] {notyoueither> that would do it.
[21:40] {BetaHound> hmmmm...
[21:40] {BetaHound> I would miss my daily war reports.
[21:40] {BetaHound> But they are becoming somewhat farfetched.
[21:40] {notyoueither> hehe. they have been great.
[21:41] {notyoueither> the more far fetched the better.
[21:41] {BetaHound> Some allies would be pissed.
[21:41] {BetaHound>
[21:41] {notyoueither> some of yours if we stop killing each other?
[21:42] {BetaHound> yup
[21:43] {BetaHound> So... I guess we both have some thinking and talking to do back home.
[21:43] {notyoueither> hmmm. where are they? i see only vox units at risk, and only vox cities as a prize for us.
[21:43] {BetaHound>
[21:44] {BetaHound> So - do you want me to see if this will fly first with Vox before you tabel it?
[21:44] {notyoueither> unless you count the mad king donegal and his companion.
[21:44] {BetaHound> table
[21:44] {BetaHound>
[21:44] {notyoueither> good idea.
[21:44] {BetaHound> That was aggravating - of all the places to land.
[21:44] {BetaHound> It forced us into moves we would not have made.
[21:44] {notyoueither> i will tell you two things that may influence your team, and you will know as soon as you get the save.
[21:45] {BetaHound> so - how bad was it?
[21:45] {notyoueither> not bad... per se.
[21:45] {notyoueither> good for us though.
[21:45] {BetaHound> go ahead.
[21:45] {notyoueither> we completed Sun Tzu's
[21:45] {BetaHound> GL no doubt.
[21:45] {notyoueither> and your stack of 7 immortals have almost all been pinged.
[21:46] {BetaHound> pinged??
[21:46] {notyoueither> none lost, bust most have hits.
[21:46] {notyoueither> there is 1 down to 1hp. you knew that.
[21:46] {BetaHound> yup
[21:46] {notyoueither> 5 more are down 1 pip.
[21:47] {BetaHound> catapults - or did you lose any swordsmen.
[21:47] {notyoueither> that would be classified, but when 5 units are down 1 pip each, and none have been promoted, it points to something.
[21:48] {notyoueither> beware the chickens.
[21:48] {BetaHound>
[21:48] {BetaHound> OK - my wife is buf=gging me to go to sleep.
[21:48] {BetaHound> bugging
[21:49] {notyoueither> ok. you sound out your guys. then if positive, I will present to mine.
[21:49] {BetaHound> But I would like to know what bufgging is...
[21:49] {BetaHound> OK - will do.
[21:49] {notyoueither> sounds like a married thing.
[21:49] {BetaHound> Thanks for the chat.
[21:49] {BetaHound> It is.
[21:49] {notyoueither> thanks to you too.
[21:49] {BetaHound> We will stay in touch.
[21:49] {notyoueither> you bet.
[21:50] {BetaHound> Limited crwod conversation for now - OK.
[21:50] {BetaHound> crowd
[21:50] {notyoueither> i say nothing to noone until i hear from you, or our next turn.
[21:50] {BetaHound> Otherwise personalities seem to get in the way.
[21:50] {BetaHound> OK - take care nye.
[21:50] {notyoueither> you too. g'night.
[21:50] {BetaHound> Have a good one.
[21:51] * BetaHound has quit IRC (Quit: )
Session Close: Thu May 01 21:59:02 2003
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ManicStarSeed
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of my banana plantation
Jun 2002
time: 21:24
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quote:
People of Vox:
Gathering Storm acknowledges your offer of peace. Be assured that Gathering Storm is considering it. Please understand that there are many in the Storm that will accept nothing less than an unconditional surrender. In other words peace on our terms, Are you still willing to talk peace?
We can't hold up the game discussing it, and so we played the turn. If you really want peace, may we suggest sending us a formal proposal, and using some of your teams time on the clock to do it, so that we may have time to properly discuss it (your time, plus the time between us, plus our time)? Please understand, however, that hostilities in the game will continue unless and until a formal deal is reached.
Regards
Mss, Ambassador to Vox
Gathering Storm
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:24
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Here's a message from Jon Miller. I'm a bit slow posting it thanks to getting totally absorbed in my "Total, Eternal, Forevever War" (AU 208).
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I think that discussion has been born out to ask if you would be willing to accept peace with the concessions as laid out in Beta's email
if you could pass this along to the relevant GS thread I would appreciate it
Jon Miller
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(Edit: Corrected the AU course number)
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