12-05-2003 21:17									#211
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oh, and here a request. please tell me if it's possible.

i'd like to write my own pcx2bic converter, but havn't got the knowledge and time for dealing with the whole bic/bix-file.

could you make an import/export tool, that only imports/exports the map definition part of a bic file (WMAP) from/into a scenario? best even, if the CONT-section was updated from that

i presume you havn't either got the time and nerves for this, but if you do, it would be great

	12-05-2003 21:17									#212
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These is a list of fixes and changes to current tools that will be in the next version.

quote: - SGE: Default loading directory now is the latest played game Civ3/PTW save directory - SGE: Great Wonders are now handled correctly when assiging them to cities - SGE: Bug where the buildinglist would show more than one copy of each building corrected. - SGE: Bug where all last buildings in the rules would get unbuilt when a save was loaded and resaved corrected. - SGE: Building count is now updated correctly when editing saves - SGE: Unit count is now updated correctly when editing saves - SGE: Small Wonders are now handled correctly when assiging them to cities - SGE: Changing the Unit coordinates from odd-odd to even-even and vice verse now works as for cities - SGE: Bug where the tool crashed when changing tab with invalid coordinates entered corrected. - SGE: Typo in invalid coordinates popup message corrected - Map converter: The welcome message now names the tool correctly - SGE: Bug that made citizens unmoveable corrected.

Now one of the bigger problems is if I shall release version 1.00 or 0.99.xx

	12-05-2003 21:18									#213
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf well... yes, but i havn't tested this in a new version of SGE if you gave a civ all required advances of a certain age, then loaded that edited game, the civ was still in the older era. iirc, i couldn't chose a tech of the newer era... but maybe i'm wrong - it was a long time ago. i presume there's a calculation after every research which checks if you've got all required ones. if so, it sets the era counter up...

There is a field named Era on the Civilizations' tab. Try changing that.

	12-05-2003 21:22									#214
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf oh, and here a request. please tell me if it's possible. i'd like to write my own pcx2bic converter, but havn't got the knowledge and time for dealing with the whole bic/bix-file. could you make an import/export tool, that only imports/exports the map definition part of a bic file (WMAP) from/into a scenario? best even, if the CONT-section was updated from that i presume you havn't either got the time and nerves for this, but if you do, it would be great

As it stands now you will probably won't see this one in a while. And you need the TILEs as well

	12-05-2003 21:23									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Now one of the bigger problems is if I shall release version 1.00 or 0.99.xx

*lol*
if you are comfortable with this version, but aren't sure if all bugs are out, how about

version 1.00@ (alpha)
version 1.00 RC1
version 1.00 RC1 codename "whiskey"

or how about a version jump?

C3MT 2003
next major update is SP1

	12-05-2003 21:37									#216
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The thing is that I would want to have research one more area of the saves before getting to version 1, and of cource I'd want to make UCW support the PTW pediaicon syntax.

	12-05-2003 22:31									#217
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So... version 0.99.xx it is!!!

hahahaha, great version problem! LOL.

Ahm, and I have now the saves with a lotta work for you to do!

Attachment: skaltur_ptw_saves.zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	13-05-2003 01:08									#218
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Why did you ace it?

	13-05-2003 01:26									#219
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You have some problems with your histograph data.

Do you have a totally unalerted save?

What are the three saves I recived? Which saves are alerted? Which crash?

	13-05-2003 01:30									#220
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It seems as if the victory locastions has caused this problem. I've never confrontad a save using them before...

What is your PTW version?

	13-05-2003 01:34									#221
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And while I'm at it do you have any late game VL-games for 1.14f saved somewhere. (I can take another version as well, but 1.14f is best )

	13-05-2003 06:16									#222
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Well, I aced it because I wrote a lil' batch file to ace and zip any files I want. It's a little procedure I made a long ago to make things faster.

Sorry I forgot to tell you what are the bad files. The only functional is the one without "ALT" in the begining of its name.

Thankyou for finding the error! I'll try NOW to make and edit saves without those stuff of PTW.

My version of PTW is 1.04f !!!! Old, isn's it? It's just that my game isn't as legal as it can be. I'm sorry, but it's the way things are in here. We don't think they charge a price fair enough for the games. It should be cheaper.

If I forgot to tell anything, I'll do so later.

See ya and thankz again.

	13-05-2003 06:22									#223
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The three saves you received are the ones that follow those 6 steps I posted before.

The totally unalterted save is the one w/o the "ALT" in the begining of its name.

And, sorry to disapoint you again, but I don't have any other Victory Location Game (I suppose this is what "vl-game" stands for) nor I have any v1.14f save.

Anyways, I'll to patch my PTW and make it run.

By the way, what language do you use to write your MuliTool? I've been studying linux and learned a few things to make your editor work on multiplayer games. But, must be raw C.

	13-05-2003 12:11									#224
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C3MT is written in Visual Basic with some support from C++ and Windows API. I once had a drew to convert it to C++, but it's too mush work involved.

Small command line tools (as CPT and the new one (probably) to be released at the same time as the next version of C3MT) are written in C++.

	13-05-2003 18:14									#225
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I just found some other things to improve the stability of edits. However I still need to investigate it a little.

It seems as if there are counters for the number of units with a specific strategy owned and under construction. A result of these not being changed by C3MT as of now is that the governors and the AI might get confused from unit edits.

I'll still have to veryfy this teory, but I'm quite sure that I've misstaken two of these values for bing a worker/settler counter in earlier version (terraform/settle strategy)

	13-05-2003 20:59									#226
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Yes, C++ kicks ass!!!

That stuff 'bout the worker/settler is good.

And... I tryed editing a file without the Victory Location and it worked fine...... for the 2 first tests... 'Twas kinda funny.

1- The first time I opened the save on SGE it returned me the "subscript out of rage" error. Bu then I continued the tests. Added stuff to my capital city (the only one I had) and saved.

2- Then I loaded the save in-game and... it told me that the save couldn't be loaded... but it DID LOAD... that's strange!!! Then I played a few turns and saved.

3- Went to SGE, opened the file, it returned the message ("subscript out of range"), edited another city I built. Did the same changes again to the new city and saved.

4- Then I went to PTW loaded the game (with that same error on [2]), played and saved.

5- Opened the save on SGE but it didn't return me the message. I edited the file and saved.

6- went to PTW and tryed to load the save. Then PTW crashed.

	13-05-2003 22:23									#227
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So do you have any error saves from a non VL game?

	13-05-2003 22:26									#228
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Oh, and BTW. I've verifyied the values for being AI-strat counters. they will be updated in the same way as all other newly found counters for the next version. This also mede me get my eyes on an army counter so, from now the armycount will update as you add/remove armies with C3MT.

It also helped to explain the only length changes within (not at the end of) the player headers from Civ3 to PTW.

	14-05-2003 00:18									#229
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos So do you have any error saves from a non VL game?

Sim, eu tenho!! Yes, I do!!

And here they are.

Boy, am I giving you trouble!

	14-05-2003 01:23									#230
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Hey, Gramphos, what about addind some keyboard shorcuts?

I mean, CTRL+L and CTRL+S really save us some clicks.

Ahm, and what about showing the name of the file on that upper bar on SGE? It rockz!

K, see ya.

	14-05-2003 06:17									#231
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Now, SGE is giving this message when I load a save game: "Out Of Memory"...

And I came up with these facts: whenever you try to load a save in-game and it crashes on 51% the game crashes and closes. Whenever the loading process crashes on 53%, it gives the message that it cannot be loaded but it loads. Also, it gives a message about some "TUTR' error... do you know that?

	14-05-2003 10:45									#232
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quote: Originally posted by SkalTur Hey, Gramphos, what about addind some keyboard shorcuts? I mean, CTRL+L and CTRL+S really save us some clicks. Ahm, and what about showing the name of the file on that upper bar on SGE? It rockz! K, see ya.

I added them to the new tool member I'm working on I see no reson to mess with old stuff

(Oh well, in VB is add in one shortcut just to select it in a drop down list I think I can do that.)

	14-05-2003 10:57									#233
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quote: Originally posted by SkalTur Now, SGE is giving this message when I load a save game: "Out Of Memory"... And I came up with these facts: whenever you try to load a save in-game and it crashes on 51% the game crashes and closes. Whenever the loading process crashes on 53%, it gives the message that it cannot be loaded but it loads. Also, it gives a message about some "TUTR' error... do you know that?

How mush memory do you have?

I would really like the save that gave you this message.

	14-05-2003 22:19									#234
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Hya.

Well, I have plenty of memory...

I thought it was just some lil' bug. I tryed to load the save in-game and it worked. Then I played a few turns and tryed to load it on SGE... then it didn't return the "out of memory" error. I edited the save and tryed to load it in-game but the game crashed (51%).

I'm almost giving up.

	14-05-2003 22:21									#235
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oh, and I upgraded my Play The World to v1.21f

	14-05-2003 23:40									#236
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Give me some time. I've loads of stuff other than working on this utility to do right now, and within a week.

You could give up and try again with the next version. it doesn't seem as if you will get anywhere anyway. Do you know if it gets corrupt if you just load and save the game without editing anything?

	15-05-2003 01:47									#237
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I don't know... I'll doing this load and save without editing then...

Well, gramphos, thanks again.

Gonna give you some rest now

	15-05-2003 01:59									#238
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Yes, just to load and save it on SGE the file gets corrupted...

Now I'll wait for the next version of MultiTool... let's see what happens!

Anyways, thanks for your efforts!

	15-05-2003 02:34									#239
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Could you post that before and after?

I need to see if any of my changes has already fixed this or if it is still an issue to deal with.

(I think I've solved the Victory Point bug) (It's only on Capture the Princess and Victory Vocations victory points are counter right?)

Another somewhat offtopic question: Can you download/see attachments from this forum?

	15-05-2003 03:45									#240
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I can see and download, why?