23-12-2002 16:42									#1
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Just got permission from ND to post their PM's in here
So here they are;
(Please, do not post in this thread )

for comments

Last edited by alva on 26-02-2003 at 18:36

	23-12-2002 16:43									#2
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quote: Picahulu wrote on 19-12-2002 11:17: Dear notyoueither of Gathering Storm, i am writing to you in the name of the people of Neu Demogyptica. As a democratic civilization which is eager to get to know the world, we would be pleased to get in contact with your people. To allow friendship to grow between our great civilizations, i would like to introduce the people of Neu Demogyptica to you. We are an expansionist and religious civilization under the leadership of Fritz Demogypt. We are democratic and peaceful, but we are also sovereign and do not accept any kind of extortion, nor do we fear to fight for our freedom and sovereignty. We respect our neighbours and seek friendship and peace, as long as they do not threaten our god-given right to develop our great culture. We are looking forward to meet the people of Gathering Storm in the world and we believe that both of our civilizations will benefit from good relations and friendship to each other, which will hopefully pass the test of time. To get in contact with your civilization as fast as possible, we wondered if you would like to share information of where we are in the world with us(east/west or north/south). Being an expansionist civilization, we would send a scout to you immediately, to allow us start trading technology and luxury as fast as possible! We hope to hear from you soon! Sincerly yours, Picahulu, Chief Diplomat of Neu Demogyptica

	23-12-2002 16:44									#3
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quote: Hello, I bring you greetings of Gathering Storm, we too are a peacefull and very honorable people. To new civilisations and friends we say welcome and wish you the best of luck. We are here to build a beter world, to lead the world into a new era of prosperity and honour. We too live by the rule and will of the Gods. I have had an earlier, though only brief encounter, with one your people (Borg), he told me he would send someone with whom we could get in contact with. We are still discussing the possibility on meeting, but the concensus seems to head towards "too early". I have asked my people to change their mind and take you up on your offer, but they have declined as for now. Alas, some of my famlily, find it hard to alter their ancient ways, in this fast changing world. They seem to be more comfortable with some then they are with others. Allthough this saddens me, I have no choice but to respect their will and law. I do hope, you and I can somehow change their minds and win their trust. This of course does not mean we do not want to do so at a later time. Nor does it mean, we we can't have the best of relations. Until next time, friend of Gathering Storm, Alva, proud Ambassador to your noble and God fearing people. ps: Could you give me the ok to copy your PM to our forum. Under Apolyton rules we are not permitted to do so without consent of the sender. I, alva, hereby agree, that you can copy all my PM's to your forum, unless stated otherwise.

	23-12-2002 16:45									#4
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quote: Dear alva of Gathering Storm, thank you very much for your letter. As we're also aware there may be unknown dangers in this always-changing world, we do understand and respect your peoples choice not to share information about your location in the world. Without reservation, we agree that Gathering Storm and Neu Demogyptica can and should have the best of relations anyway! Nevertheless, we would be happy to meet the proud egyptian people in the world as soon as possible. Please let me know immediately when your people have changed their mind! Yours sincerly, Picahulu, Chief Diplomat of Neu Demogyptica P.S.: You may copy all of my PMs which are meant for diplomacy between GS and ND to your forum.

	07-01-2003 07:37									#5
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Would antone object if I send this to ND?
re:minimaps

quote: Hi, It has been awhile my friend, I hope everything is allright. Your civilisation does seem to be very prosperous, we only pray to Gods your good fortune nevers stops.. The last time we met, you asked me to share our knowledge of the world, and more in particular where to find us. At that time my people were rather reluctant to share this information with you and asked me to tell you, someday we will, not just now... Well my friend, it seems that, that day has come. Finally they are starting to give in. I cannot promise you anything for sure, but at least there is good possibility. May I ask you to tell this to your people and perhaps even inquire if you would still be willing to do the same? May the Gods protect you on your journey, alva,

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	10-01-2003 16:00									#7
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quote: alva wrote on 09-01-2003 18:00: hi, Just informing wether you did get the PM I sent to your ambassador .(We recently had the same problems, when some of our ambassadors weren't online for a few days and missed a message). So if you could just drop me a note confirming, you did receive my other PM too, that would be great. I can tell, that if you are ok with it, we are too(minimap-trade) Also, trading info on how many and who you have met so far is fine with us too (btw: I didn't mention this in the previous PBEM, we are talking about the start minimap (in our case 3950 since we settled one turn later). (sorry for the non-role play this time, but I have to hurry... some real-life issues just came up ) Greetings, Alva,

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borcs reply (10-01-03)

quote: Re: map-trade Hello alva, i will ask our ambassador picahulu to write you an answer. anyway we had a discussion here about the mini map and a very big majority here wants to change minimaps with your people. we will send the mini map from 3950 BC very soon! good luck!

	10-01-2003 19:19									#9
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quote: Minimap ND 4000bc received Our minimap 3900bc send in return

	28-01-2003 17:22									#10
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Message to ND;
re: Barbarians;

quote: Greetings Borc, Just a short note, with what we hope will be news... We just ran across our first barbarian camp. This seems news, as we heared quite some comments on the general forum, assuming there were no barbarians, or only sedentary barbs in this game we're playing. We don't know if you already saw barbs yourself, but as a kind warning, we decided to tell all teams we have diplomatic contact with of 'our' barbarians, in the hopes you can protect yourself against possible outbreaks. Best wishes in this game, Alva of Gathering Storm.

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	13-02-2003 22:41									#11
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http://cylusion.com/neudemogyptica/index.phtml

ND has started a web page on diplomatic agreements, it seems they are going to make a few things public. Contains also views of different people on treaties (if you're willing to wait long enough )

DeepO

	18-02-2003 00:31									#12
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With this new (to least to me) upload feature, let's keep these screenies ND has posted somewhere visible...




Thor, the first victim of the war of 1700 BC, as seen here when viewing the sea (nice geographical info, ND! by combining it with the capital pic below, we know exactly how far you're from the ocean on that side )


Stack of 4 swords, and 1 spear (no further info on promotion status), as seen by Lux, a few years before the war


First screenshot given by ND, to proof earlier provocation by Lux, by moving a 'scout' right next to their capital


Next provocation , in which Lux surrounds the city which started this all with some warriors.

I'll keep adding pictures when I find them.

DeepO

	26-02-2003 01:51									#13
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sent to Borc and Picahula

quote: from alva to ND Greetings from Gathering Storm, I hope all is well and the Gods are shining on you. We seem to be distant neighbors and therefore do not have the honor and pleasure of meeting you more often. This saddens me very much, let’s hope someday we will have better transportation methods that will allow us to visit one another more frequently. I apologize for the hastiness, but I have a quick and somewhat urgent message to convey. Our civ's wise men will soon complete their research in a new field named "Code of Laws", and we were wondering, if and what your glorious civilization might be willing to offer for this technology? We are open to many offers and will consider them carefully. We are interested in many things, such as new ways of doing things, or even that yellow orange stuff might interest us. However let me state that we have no interested of having "Horse back riding" as part of the deal. For this we already made arrangements with another civilization. Thanks you for your attentiveness. Alva, Gathering Storm's ambassador to Neu Demogyptica.

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quote: RE: CoL Dear Alva of GS, thank you very much for your letter, i've forwarded it to our ambassador for your nation, Murkel. Please contact him directly for future issues. Best regards, Picahulu, spanish ambassador of Neu Demogyptica

	26-02-2003 17:14									#15
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quote: Dear Sir Ralph. I’m Murkel, minister for public relations and, whats more important, the new ambassador for the fine nation of Gathering Storm. In the future I’ll be the link between the government of Gathering Storm and Neu Demogyptica. So whenever you whant do deal with us, just write me a letter. In fact, I’m not as that long in the political scene as you may think. Before I settled over in the colony of Neu Theben and became the major of the city Dar-El-Killam I worked as a farmer on a ranch. Due to that I hadn’t the luck of a big education and so I have some problems with your beautiful egyptian language. It isn’t that hard to understand, but when I have to formulate well balanced diplomatic sentences I got some problem. If this is bad with you, I really could understand that, just tell me and surely my government would find another ambassador for you. Due to the fact, that I can’t formulate in a good manner sometimes I may not sound diplomatical correct (for a spoiled, highly sensitiv ear this may sound rough), but well, instead I’ll come directly to the point and we could talk clearly face to face (or letter to letter?). I hope this is fine with you. So, enough of myself and my introduction. I want to know more about your nation. As I heard you and the nation of Vox are on the same continent? So, how is the climax over there ? Here, on this side of the world, we had some troubles with a rude nation. In fact, we couldn’t stop them to burn down there houses, families and even children (our scouts reported of some people, which raped the women and totured the children). This big event is know as the Lux massacre, and will always remain in our history books. Now, this murderers can’t be found anywhere. Hopefully there are gone and never come back. I want to talk with you about a really important aspect of our two nations. I would like to establish a special egyptian-arabic friendship, which could last forever. This must be diskussed (so far I’ve got the approval of my government) but together we could work out many terms to develop this special friendship. For examples there a sientistical things (work on different techs, student-exchanges,...), cultural things (what religion do you have, do you have history books?), material-trades (arabians make very good spices, we could trade) or also terms in military aspects. I hope you have more ideas we could work at. Whits this letter I send you a picture, which I think could be the symbol of this great friendship. On it you will see our banner of the foreign ministry and naturally your very own banner. Fine, I hope that I hear from you in the future. Sincerely Murkel

We need to discuss an answer. Escpecially on the question, how our climax is.

	26-02-2003 19:42									#16
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ND answer on the CoL offer.

quote: Dear Sir Ralph, it’s me again. I thought about your offer of Code of Law. What do you think of this deal? Now, you gift us the Code of Law, and when we research Literature (should be in a few turns) we gift you this for totaly free. I know that your people doesn’t know if they can trust us, but well, this is a great opportunity to develope the friendship between our nations ( I spoke about this in my last letter). Sincerely Murkel

	26-02-2003 22:23									#17
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message to ND (not accepting literature, asking if something else can be arranged)

quote: Greetings Murkel, I hope all is well with your formal ambassador Picahula? I pray the Gods each day he has not fallen into the hands of those ill minded barbarians, or even worsen those devilish Luxians. Since time is somewhat of the urgence I will come to the matter right away. Although your offer is very much appreciated, I regret to have to tell you that it is not really the deal we are looking for. We have news of travelers who are teaching us these very things you are talking about. Therefore I have to bother you again, and ask you whether your people are willing to offer something different for our discovery? As to the matter of language, it is a bit strange isn’t it? Our languages are very similar, both in-game and in real life (I'm from Antwerp, Belgium). Yet the difference is too big for the both of us to use our mother tongue. However we do have someone who has mastered your language and is able to converse to all of us using some Anglo-Saxon version. So if you feel uncertain about anything, feel free to contact Sir Ralph. But he is a busy men, so we decided that 'normal' contact should go through me. I alwayss send these messages through PM to both you and Borc, If you don't log on to Apolyton often (or any other reason), we could arrange for future communications to done by E-mail. My friend, I see my dinner is ready and therefore I have to leave now, it has been a long day and my stomach is rumbling loudly. I hope to hear from you soon, until then goodbye and may your journey be prosperous and safe. Alva of Gathering storm,

	05-03-2003 12:56									#18
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Shert message from ND regarding CoL;

I was asking if they could offer anything else for CoL:

Murkel;

quote: Then we wouldn't have any other Tech to trade. The only offer I could give u so far is gold. We could give u 5g/per round without getting in minus. greetz

	25-03-2003 23:34									#19
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To Darekill, "get to the MA" proposal:

quote: Respected Darekill of Neu Demoegyptica. I give your emperor greetings from the Grand Poobah of the Gathering Storm. I would like to present you an offer for tech trade. The GS will soon posses all the techs neccessary to move into the next age, and we want to offer you these techs. I am referring to the following advancements: Republic, Currency and Construction. We're offering these three techs in one deal, which will of course grant you a discount, in comparison to a purchase of only one of two of these techs. If you're interested, please reply via a PM, and we'll give you an offer. Cordially Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

	26-03-2003 17:37									#20
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Thier reply:

quote: Dear Zeit, did you know that your name is the german word for time? Time is the one thing i lack a bit these days. That is why i respond to your mail so late. We are currently researching currency for ourselfs and we have already found sources for the other techs you are trying to sell us. Some of them are looking for our currency. I'm sure you understand that we can not trade this time. But as soon as you have some medieval Techs we are very interested in sharing techs with you. It is very kind of you to think about selling us these stuff and we do appreciate it but as i mentioned before we are not interested this time. Greetings Darekill (Governor of Neu Demogyptica)

	03-04-2003 21:31									#21
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To DareKill, about Feudalism:

quote: Honorable DareKill of NeuDemoEgyptica The Gathering Storm's wisemen are currently on a new and advanced technology that would change the warfare is carried out- This technology "Feudalism" will also be for sale to those who wish to purchase it. We would like to negotiate a price for the tech, so that we both enjoy the benefits of the trade when the tech has been discovered. If you're interested in acquiring the tech from us, please let me know. Kind Regards Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

	05-04-2003 15:52									#22
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His reply(!):

quote: Sorry to reply that late, we are indeed interested. what would be a price that you would be able to acept for this Technology. Maybe we can throw in monotheism if you do not have that already. Geetings Darekill Governor of Neu Demogyptica.

	05-04-2003 16:11									#23
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Offering our price:

quote: Darekill, Honorable Governor of Neu Demogytica I'm glad to see you're interested. Since we already have Monoheism, your payment will be in gold. For all who are intrested, we're offering this tech for a fixed price of 200 gold in one payment, or 12gpt over 20 turns, which will be paid upon delivery. Note that 200 gold is less than 30% of the beaker cost of this tech. Also note that this tech comes with a 7-turn non disclosure agreement, meaning that your nation cannot trade this tech to anyone 7 turns from the time of delivery. As for the ETA: between 8-10 turns, depending on the commerce percentage going to research- according to other sources, that is well before anyone else working on the tech finishes his work. Please let me know if you're interested. Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm

	08-04-2003 10:44									#24
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a reply:

quote: You have choosen a "Zeit" to ask, where we are in a kind of a crisis here in ND. I'm no longer Governor of ND that young upstart Mav_Son has taken over. So i can not answer your request as official and quick as i wanted to. I think there is still a good chance that we will have a deal here but it'll take a little more "Zeit" till i can answer definitely

	11-04-2003 19:38									#25
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quote: Darekill wrote on 11-04-2003 15:39: Hello Alva, i'm Darekill ex-governor from ND. Zeit has told me that you would like to sell Feudalism for 200 bucks at once when it is researched. Well to put it short we'll pay that sum. I hope that the war against the dreaded Voxians goes well but since i've seen that you are quite a power on estonia i have no doubt that you can handle them. Please let me know if we have a deal and please understand that things go slow sometimes in our young republic. With best wishes Darekill

	12-04-2003 05:54									#26
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quote: Hello Darekill, Since we have entered our Golden Age, we will be able to get feudalism sooner then expected, how is that for some good news. Feudalism will be delivered in two to three turns, as to the payment, we agree to the 200 gold (or if you prefer, a 12GPT). Note that this comes with a 10 turn NDA. The reason being, we want to keep it out of Voxian hands, for as long as possible, which I'm sure you will understand. Hope to hear from you soon, Honorable greetings, alva of Gathering Storm,

	13-04-2003 14:45									#27
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message recieved from ND

quote: Hello from Neu Demogyptica. You will receive the payment for Feudalism in two Turns just send it then to us. We understand that you do not like to see it in the Hands of your enemies so soon, so the ten turns are absolutely aceptable. Picahulu is gone so it is better you contact Mav_son , borc, zerialienguru or me directly since we are the responsible gouvernment right now with mav_son as governor and the rest of us as ministers the e-mail adresses can be found abouve since i forwardet this message to them. Greetings Darekill

	17-04-2003 18:36									#28
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quote: > Dear Sir, > > As You maybe know I had yesterday a problem with the forwarding of the > save. > In the hectic I made another mistakte. I just pressed the "accept" button > for your offer. > > Today I rechecked me files and noticed, that darekill made the > negotiations > without the legitimation of our parliament. We have our rules. Every deal > has > to be ratified from our parliament. Without this legitimation it is not > possible for me to accept the deal. But I think it will be just a > formality. I > poll and discuss it in our forum and inform You as soon we have a result. > I > apologize for that inconveniance. > > I opened an investigation on Darekill and we have to judge about his > behaviour. > > By the way. We fear, that Roleplay plans to attack New Demogyptica. King > Togas of RP stopped to communicate with me, without any clear reason. It > seems > to be part of an upbuilding of aggression. Do You know anything about that > question? > > With highest respect > mav_son > Governeur of ND

	17-04-2003 20:51									#29
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mail from Dare-Kill

quote: Dear Alva, my people are mad at me. I was sure to act in the best of interest for ND to buy Feudalism since we need it but they don't care. They are stubborn burocrats. Especialy the person that claims to be governor now. This Mav_Son is an upstart who did not care or is not willing to accept the deeds i have done for ND. I think i did a good job as governor but most of ND does not think so, please accept my apologies i'm really embarased that this did happen. Your friend, Darekill.

	17-04-2003 21:09									#30
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quote: quote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE; Dear Alva, my people are mad at me. I was sure to act in the best of interest for ND to buy Feudalism since we need it but they don't care. They are stubborn burocrats. Especialy the person that claims to be governor now. This Mav_Son is an upstart who did not care or is not willing to accept the deeds i have done for ND. I think i did a good job as governor but most of ND does not think so, please accept my apologies i'm really embarased that this did happen. Your friend, Darekill. quote: Response to Darekill, [quote] Hello, I don't know if this message will reach, as as you will know our peacefull nation has been under attack for some time now and we have lost a couple of messengers already. No problem Darekill, things like this happen. I certainly hope this will not get you into any trouble. I do think your people do well to reconsider buying it though, it seems we will all face some challenge in one form or another pretty soon. It is called the dark-ages for some reason . I certainlly hope to see you soon, and may your rulers be lenient towards you. From someone who thinks you have done a marvelouse job so far, greetings, Alain,