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Bereta_Eder
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Also bear in mind that Cyprus was invaded by Turkey using american made weapons.
(which are explicitely not meant to be used for invasion against another country)
Illegality is screaming in this issue.
Luckily through the plan devised by Kranidiotis (RIP) and Pangalos Greek Cypriotes had achieved a great diplomatic victory and will enter the EU in 2004.
What turkish cypriotes do depends on their dictator.
700.000 Greek cypriotes next door to 70 millions Turks.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
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Paiktis22, Cyprus for long time was inhabitted by Greeks and Turks. It was not a single nation state. Thus Turkish invasion isn't actually something extremely bad. It was aimed to creating a free state for Cyprus Turks, because before that Cyprus was (more or less) ruled mostly by Greeks. The situation is something like with Pakistani claim in Kashmir. It is not like Turkey invaded, then settled the territory which was previously full of Greeks.
In my opinion independence of North Cyprus should be recognised and Cyprus should be splitted into two entities. This would be the easiest and most rightful way to end this conflict, since I don't know any good reason why two different nations (and two different religions and ethnic groups for that matter) should live in one state.
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Bereta_Eder
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Sonic I disagree.
700.000 Greeks cyp and 80.000 turk cypriotes its basically one nation with a minority.
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Bereta_Eder
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were it not for the arms of turkey its value to the US and the proximity of it next to cyprus (to say nothing of the total unprepared status and screw ups of the, yes, greek dictatoriship backed by the US/uk)
we wouldnt be having this conversation.
Luckily, we managed to include Cyprus in the EU and the turk cyp living in utter poverty want to reunite.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
The illegality of Turkey's invasion in Cyprus is why the occupied part is not recognized by anyone except... Turkey. |
They "invaded' their own country, they have the right to base troops there. The only ones who wanted them "kicked out" was Greece, who wanted the island for themselves, the Cyprus Greeks were breaking their .
word even before the ink was dry on the paper, ie
invading the north half with armed miltia bands.
N. Cyprus is not recognized because doing so would
permently split the island, like Korea.
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Bereta_Eder
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thats of course more bullsh!t made by a DL.
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Bereta_Eder
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the geer cypriotes were "breaking their word" when they actually were fighting off two empires of savages. UK and Turkey.
just a bunch of greeks aganst tens of millions.
and the constitution which was imposed by the brits and turks gave the minority veto rights on virtually everything thus crippling the good funcitioning od the new state.
also turks cypriotes put machine guns in streets and started shooting (even their own people)
cant have a counrty with that.
mistakes were made by greece and cyrpus of course. but against 2 empires of millions of savages i say all is well.
free cyprus is prosperus free and independent and will enter the EU.
occupied cyprus... we will see in due time.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
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Paiktis22, probably a minority but the fact is that they lived in quite close groups in certain places, not scattered all over the country. Something like with Chechens in Russia - they are also very small minority if comparing to the population of whole Russia, but because they lives in one place they can ask for independence.
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Sonic
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
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Also paiktis, if you say that Turk Cypriots were so bad, so why you want a single country then? Let the Greek Cypriots live separately. Or is it the matte r of land and power? Cyprus is small anyway, with the Turkish part or without it, it will never be powerful country.
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Bereta_Eder
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Sonic a minority whose rights should have been respected and would have been if turkey and uk didnt use them against greeks cypr.
bare in mind that 70 mil. turks are living next door to that island (which is very far away from greece and practically surrendered by turkey).
if turky and uk didnt mendle you would see one cyprus with one minority all enjoying wealth like the greek cypr. are now.
but i am very optimistic of the future for Cyprus.
The solution nears.
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Bereta_Eder
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Sonic, if that is so, then the turkish cypr. must withdraw to their original lands which are a smaller fraction of what they occupy now.
but this is not acceptable or even thinkable.
the two sides can coexist. they have for very long. they can again.
700.000 g. cypriotes and 80.000 turk cypr.
all cypriotes
one nation with a minority. like it would have were it not for turkey and the uk's interests. (to say nothing of kissinger's complicity in all of this)
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Bereta_Eder
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i replied to your question in my secondprevious post.
nope their GDP is far lower. dont remember it now.
free cyprus is gdp is about 20.000 $ per capita
the reason turksish cypr want to reunite is for prosperity and democracy all of which can be offered by the greek cypr.
(do you blame them for wanting to reunite?)
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:24
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Thats bullsh!t. of course. made by a DL. |
No, it's quite true. Doesn't quite fit into your imagined
reality does it?
Seems to me Greece covets it's neighours property Yugoslavia-Macedonia, Turkey - Cyprus.
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Bereta_Eder
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Thats just Anti-hellenistic ramblings.
No surprise.
Sonic, the vast majority of turkish cypriotes do want to reunite and they demosntarte in favor of it.
They live in poverty and a dictatorship surrounded by paramilitary squads of fascists, savage settlers from far anatolia and suffer deprivation.
Ankara wants the island to reunite too, for its own reasons.
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Bereta_Eder
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Also the CIA "factbook" is notorious for its mistakes.
You should find some EU links.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
As for the damning Greek activities on Cyprus.
I dont need any biased american library bull.
I know them and I feel great shame. |
quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
Thats just Anti-hellenistic ramblings. |
No their are facts that even you acknowledged.
quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
paramilitary squads of fascists, savage settlers from far anatolia. |
Is this how you describe your neighbours?
Beat the drum, whip up the hatred, dehumanize the intended victims.
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Bereta_Eder
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and thats how i describe the fascists that run the dictatorship in occupied cyprus.
the greay wolves the paramilitary the shootings the poverty
the turkish cypr just want freedom
its sad that their dictator denies them.
but there are many parameters all conjuring in the reuninification of CYprus.
in any case greek cypr. rich free and independent are in the EU.
turkish cypr. are welcomed too by the greek . cypr.
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Bereta_Eder
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if their powerhungry dictator lets them, or if ankara twists his arm into leting them.. then they can too enjoy prosperity and freedom like the greek cypr. do.
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Bereta_Eder
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it is no mistake that you have not yet spoke of the attrocities of the turkish invasion which is condemned by the whole international community...
and encapsulated by the fact that this murderous act is not recognised and is trying to be solved.
or the numerous contemnations against Turkey by the justice court of EU, international observers etc.
whereas for Greece, there is scarsely any to be found.
just an antihellene DL incapable of free thinking.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
Of course I know full well the facts. And have said so.
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I don't hate Greece, I don't like some elements of the
mainland greek popluation and government activity
trying to disstablize someone elses country.
I also don't hate the US for having elements that
support the IRA in Ireland.
I do however hate some little snot justifing murder
as "freedom fighting" when it is just a cover for
terroritorial expansion. And then trying to blame
it on everbody else. You have you already smeared
Turkey, Britain, the US and most of the EU.
If you want to really see the problem, look in a
mirror.
Gobbels would be proud of you.
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Bereta_Eder
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Bullshit. just dont want to admitt the grave errors of your beloved uk empire.
700.000 greek cyp. fighting for freedom amongst a sea of 70 million turks and the most powerful empire at that time britain
and you make them sound like some terrorists.
typical
i dont hate you either. i just consider you a DL.
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Bereta_Eder
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the answers are already given BTW,.
cyprus asked for independance from britain since it was dirt poor and exploited.
greece oroginaly did not want to risk alianating uk . except when on dictatorship.
uk refused. armed struggle ensued.
brits off cyprus ect etc etc
in earlier posts.
you cant keep the people down.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
700.000 greek cyp. fighting for freedom amongst a sea of 70 million turks and the most powerful empire at that time britain |
One post their a minority, next post a majority, which
is it?
Fighting for a free Cyprus, or fighting with mainland
money for Greece?
When did they fight the Turks? They fought farmers
and fisherman until the Turks sent in the army.
As for the oppressive British, was the Greek government
better than the British at the time? That argument is
a crock of crap, it was just the mainland Greeks supplying money, guns, bombs and bandits.
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