08-05-2003 03:26									#91
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We must plan with Vox and GoW to attack en masse on a single target, if at all possible. This is the only way to successfully attack in MP. The first few units probably will not kill most/all of the GS pikes and may take losses on their way to the target also. Only if we concentrate or forces will any real gains be made.

Lets kill their pikes, not train them!

	08-05-2003 05:16									#92
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Senors,

[ooc]If the game still works...[/ooc]

Are the plans still underway? We are now without an army that is as large as the Arab force, and it may not be such a wise choice to make an expedition without expanding the force much more. Feudalism is imperative now, and without it, our defense and this expedition are in doubt. Pikemen and Macemen are needed here.

But, without the numbers to bolster our defense at home, would an expedition overseas be wise?

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	08-05-2003 06:18									#93
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I say yes, it is.
Trained units are incredibly better than regulars. training comes from fighting; besides, we will keep a strong force at home. And we have teh protection pacts with GoW and Legoland... I put my beard on it that it is a gain/gain situation if properly executed.

	09-05-2003 04:41									#94
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I hope so. If not, the barber wants his two bucks.

Duke Iago

	11-05-2003 20:06									#95
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I have an Idea for army organizing [ooc]Unit naming[/ooc] : We would create two divisions in the army , the ´´Gladius Rex´´ (the royal guard,literally the Sword of the king) [ooc]We would name this way most foot infantry and pikes[/ooc] and the ´´Gladius Dei´´ (The church´s armed froces, literally the Sword of God)[ooc]Mostly mounted units and foot infantry, and of course some elite pikemen called the Swiss Pikes [/ooc] The Gladius Rex Would be under the comand of the King, but his chosen General would command things for him, and the Gladius Dei would be under command from the Pope. [ooc] In pratice, nothing would change as to who gives orders to move the units, more of a naming unit convension[/ooc]
I know many will say it is a horrible idea, but anyway, at least we can bring some more movement to this training grounds [ooc]Bring people back to posting[/ooc]

	11-05-2003 21:54									#96
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The Gladius Dei would have to be made up mostly of defensive troops. However, for the odd crusade or something, we'd need a few knights, and conquistadors. The Pope would directly control the army, but he'd have to appoint a field commander to its charge in case of war. We can't afford to lose the Pope on the battlefield.

I like the plan, actually. Of course, the King's army would be giant, and the Pope's army...not so giant. But, I think, the Pope would be able to ask the King for a crusade now and then, and it might work out well. Besides, the Pope does live in Vatican City, a seperate entity, and it needs to be protected from heretical scum, don't you think?

Cardinal Calamari
The Archbishop of all Spain

	12-05-2003 18:25									#97
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I support these proposals. It makes the roleplay more realistic. It is true that in fact nothing will change, if I would be given control over some part of the spanish military force, I will hand over the control to senor Astronius or one of his main advirsors. I myself know too little of battlestrategies to be able to properly control the Papal forces. My military adviser will control it in my name.

Pope Aidun I

	12-05-2003 23:28									#98
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[OOC]

While I am loathe to squash an idea to increase roleplay - I don't like this one.

I have kept my distance from the religious roleplay element in the team, because it just isn't my thing. Let's please not inject that element into the military.

[/OOC]

	13-05-2003 06:53									#99
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[ooc]Roleplay is roleplay, Marshal. I can see that you might think that it would detract from your forces. I think that, really, it would simply be a designation for a select group of defensive forces primarily, and it won't grow too large.[/ooc]

	20-05-2003 21:14									#100
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Fell news, Milords.

Tis by post this morn that I was informed of the fact that our cover is blown. Yesterday eve, as darkness fell upon the Spanish coast, a light was seen on the horizon. Our great ship the Santa Maria was in the area, and moved forward to investigate. From a distance, they could clearly make out the blue sails of another galley ship. The Captain seized a lantern, and glanced at a very large and very frightening Egyptian vessel.

There was no conflict, but it is certain that the Egyptians saw us as well as we them.

And so, it is without a doubt that the Egyptians know that we are amassing a fleet, and they have the waterways to their continent patrolled by their own vessels. Would an expedition now be foolhardy and disastrous?

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	20-05-2003 22:09									#101
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Hmmm, alarming news indeed,
but It is presumable that we are building fleets... I guess all nations are. And even if we were not ready to invade them, we would probably want to investigate their seas from afar.
Anyway this requires more discussion and planing, but I don´t think we should halt our war effort for this.

	20-05-2003 22:13									#102
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I don't either. What bothers me is that the Egyptians have patrols in the waterways between us and their continent. Without playing some serious tactical games (faux fleets, etc.), we may have a very problematic time getting the troops across the seas.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	25-05-2003 05:22									#103
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Latest cause for concern:

quote: Originally posted by nbarclay I regret to inform the people of Vox Controli that the "food poisoning" epidemic has claimed the lives of the remaining Voxian forces within Gathering Storm's cultural borders. It would seem that at present, our territory is an extremely unhealthy place for those who would claim to be immortal.

	25-05-2003 07:37									#104
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This is damnable. I see no real way to get this expedition concluded succesfully. If we get in Persia, I wonder if we will already be too late. Their iron gone, their troops dying in the jungles, the Egyptians taking on a decidedly offensive campaign, the waters crawling with Egyptian ships, it all seems rather ill-fated from the start. I wonder if it can succeed at all now. I fear we're seeing the destruction of Persia.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	27-05-2003 00:10									#105
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We will have Feudalism next turn.

How many spears should be upgraded to pikes and which spears?

--Togas

	27-05-2003 21:50									#106
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy I fear we're seeing the destruction of Persia. Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

You may be right Don Iago. I would rather see the destruction of Demogyptia! And I'm getting impatient now...
I've been away at sea for some while now, and I was hoping we would raise an enormous army and attack them in the weak belly. Now I see only betrayal and weakness.

- Doge Giovanni Plaguates.

	27-05-2003 22:29									#107
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My friend,

There is the one consolation of Feudalism. Perhaps all is not lost in such an adventure, though I fear if we were to do so now we would weaken ourselves back home at the time in which we would need the most troops (i.e. when the Ansars come). I fear now that the Persians cannot any longer ably defend themselves without iron. The Egyptians may be able to roll up their entire island when all they have against them are obsolete troops that seem to have leapt out of the Stone Age. Let us hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.

The prime concern of Spain must be the defense at home. Pikemen and Medieval Infantrymen are useful indeed, but not if our offensive troops are away on a mission abroad that stands higher chances of failure than success. We must be prepared to form a stronghold here at home in order to crush the Arabian tide that we all know to be coming.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	27-05-2003 22:51									#108
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I come to believe they may have cut Iron for quickly creating bronze Spearman and upgrading them. I am not sure, though. they may be using this one for yet another influx of Immortals. I will try and contact Beta.

	28-05-2003 03:12									#109
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If it was cut, they are in a lot of trouble and it may not be worth send our troops. We should keep them here for ND then. Otherwise we risk getting mired in a conflict on another continent whil ND builds up.

	28-05-2003 13:08									#110
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Let's not forget we are sending units to Estonia for two reasons.

1. We hope to weaken GS. GS would likely pick us as their first target regardless if we attacked them now or not. With their Great LightHouse, they are able to quickly reach Spains shores.

2. We are getting Engineering from Vox for sending over these units.


The "cutting" of the road to Vox's Iron is just apparrent on one screen shot. It may have been cut long ago and has already been reconnected. When we get each turn, the only thin we can see in the Fog of War is whether a new city is founded or if one is destroyed or if cultural boundaries expand or change. You do not see whether roads are built or re-built.

I'm affraid we cannot read too much into the cut road other than at one time it was cut.

	28-05-2003 14:29									#111
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree ... the only thin we can see in the Fog of War is whether a new city is founded or if one is destroyed or if cultural boundaries expand or change. You do not see whether roads are built or re-built.

By the F4 screen, we can know if Vox has or not Iron. If they have, that mean the road has been rebuilt

	28-05-2003 18:39									#112
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Gen. Astronicus, how is the military planning going?
Do we still have the invasion plans? I've been at sea for some years now, and soon I'll be back to the army, awaiting orders...

	28-05-2003 18:56									#113
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat Gen. Astronicus, how is the military planning going? Do we still have the invasion plans? I've been at sea for some years now, and soon I'll be back to the army, awaiting orders...

BTW, I am retired in the Monastery of Montserrat for a couple of years, praying for our souls. I only act as Barcelona Governor at the moment.

Several years ago I give the military power to Gen. Dejon, who is serving our fatherland in a corageous way.

Of course, as soon as my soul will feel relieved of all my sins, i'll return to the active life again !!

Señor La Plaga de las Ratas, please, ask your questions to General Dejon in the meanwhile !

	28-05-2003 20:50									#114
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Someone should look at the tab, then. If they can't defend themselves, there is little that we can do for them.

	28-05-2003 21:12									#115
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We have only one plan underway at the moment: Operation Engineering Payment (OEP).

This plan is actually more foreign affairs than military, as fullfilling it will mean Vox will give us Engineering. We have been building galleys and collecting our units for this task for many turns, and there is still some more turns to wait before we set sail.

There are three boats to OEP. The first contains two horsemen, the second will contain two swordsmen, and the third will contain two pikemen.

When I took over for General Astronicus, I was hopeful that our military spending would continue, but sadly that has not been the case. As a result, I have not been able to increase our defenses, nor muster forces for possible offensive strategies on our own continent.

The future looks bright however, as we finally have Feudalism, and we are building a second barracks.

I will be requesting funds every turn for the next little while for spearmen->pikeman upgrades.

	28-05-2003 22:14									#116
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quote: Originally posted by dejon When I took over for General Astronicus, I was hopeful that our military spending would continue, but sadly that has not been the case. As a result, I have not been able to increase our defenses, nor muster forces for possible offensive strategies on our own continent.

That's a bit sad. When I get the time, I can help you develop new plans and perhaps we can get an offensive force up and going, if we get the public support that is. When I used to work under Astronicus, I was trying to get the Spanish aristocracy to consider the ND a potential threat that we should het rid of. I dunno if there is still hope? Do they also get feudalism now?

	28-05-2003 22:35									#117
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Senor Dejon,

The Calamarquists of Toledo wish to assist in any way we can. The barracks we are building is due to be completed in six turns, and shall be the finest in all Spain. We intend to start tempering some iron shortly for Medieval Infantry. The army will grow yet stronger if the Calamarquists can help it.

Yes, with God on our side, with our King, your generalship, and Toledo's iron...Spain shall rule eight eighths of the globe! Ahahahaha!

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

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	14-06-2003 02:00									#118
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Time to put this thread back to use.

With the change of the times comes new pressure for the defense of Spain. Gathering Storm has arisen as the winner of the Vox/GS war. ND remains a threat to Spain, but not nearly the threat they used to be. So long as their military remains "average" to ours, we will be able to repell them.

A greater threat exists to our east, Gathering Storm has a much stronger military and at least 6 gallies who can travel faster than our ships. Any expansion into Bob would be to our east -- Barcelona and New Madrid are most at risk, and we have virtually no defenses in our south.

We must reorganize and prepare our defenses to be able to react to a possible amphibious invasion.

Please discuss.

--Togas

	14-06-2003 02:31									#119
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Zaragoza's production has been set to Pikemen. We should have one in every 4 turns. That is with the current shieldproduction. If we should increase the shieldproduction from 8 to 10 it would be 1 every 3 turns. that is real massproduction. I want to concentrate on pikemen only for the next 20 turns to come.

I think we have to be prepared for a Polish scenario: Germany and Russia made an agreement and divided it among themselves. That could happen to us too, both Germany and Russia are very close, Germany to the north, Russia to the east. This is also why a good relationship with GS is so important.

Duke Aidun Cian of Zaragoza

	15-06-2003 01:38									#120
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So, Gen. Dejon... How is our army now compared to the ND's ?