09-01-2003 23:42									#1
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Perhaps it is time for this discussion to begin. We have always had small groups of skilled warriors that have served our nation from the beginning of time, and each group had a Cheif Warrior leading them. But as the number of groups has expanded, the time has come to think about commanding the WHOLE of the Spanish army as one great force. I would like to appoint an advisor to assist us in this matter. He would not only direct the activities of the whole of the army, he would help plan to train, expand, and modernize this army.

Currently we have:

The Explorer's Guild -- a small, mobile, but effective group of warriors.
The Madrid Expedition -- which is on their long road home.
The Pamplona Expedition -- which is searching out Cow Valley
The Magyars -- who have joined our tribe
The Unnamed Group -- a new band who left their village near Pamplona to join us.

La Guardia de Madrid -- our finest, dedicated to ensuring our nation's safety.

Future plans must be made to increase these numbers. Presently we have a GREATER army than GoW and Lux, but one of similar size to ND.

When our expeditions are concluded I plan to bring home all warriors, upgrade them, and station them for Madrid's defense. We may also want to consider some permanent outposts and sentries on our borders. We also need to consider where to place our units, how to best defend our cities, and what units to build to fill our army.

Please use this thread to discuss these matters and to also propose one of our great Warrior Cheifs to serve as The General of the Army of Spain.

--Togas

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As I have more experiance with the Industrial Era Wars than the Anchent, I'm hesitant about volintering for this. But I am working on sharpening my early era skills and might take a shot at it.

I am a better builder than warrior, but I don't go to war, unless I have sufficient troops to support a proper campain.

If I do do this, I would request that we start to increase our coffers, so that we can be upgrading our forces, when the time comes. I would also request that the next build in Madrid (after the settler is complete), would be a Barracks, so that we can start training out forces for the possibility of War. We will need a Mil unit there, to keep the population Happy, while this is buiing done. for the time, Madrid should be our defensive Unit producer, let the others work with the basic Units.
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Great leader Togas, My Family has often spoken of the great military accomplishments of one of our very distant Ancestors. Although, we have never really beleaved this, because of some of the other things that are in our Family Rumors, it has still been beleaved that we would be fine military peoples, if we weren't as mobile as we have been before the founding of Madrid.

Letus Eta Tamali

	10-01-2003 05:51									#3
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Milord Togas, King of Spain, Overlord of the Visigoths, Flattener of the Vandals,

Though I, with a long backround of military history in my family's own distinguished past (you will recall the tales of Don History Guy Calamari, the swamp fox of the Wars of the Squids, or better yet, the biography of my great grandfather, who led his armies at Santiago alongside your illustrious ancestor Togas the Magnificent as a Marshal, Lord General of the Calamarquist Tribe, and was ordered to take out the enemy archers, which he did in good order, crushing the entire archer wing with his axe-men), I cannot part with my company and my duties as Ambassador or Assistant High Priest (or Chief Steward at the Mead Hall of Heorot...or Chief of El Squid Company) to put myself forward for this exulted post. I myself would prefer a smaller military post.

However, I do suggest two names. The first is Francisco Tacticus' son, for the father rarely leaves the Shrine these days, being of advanced age, and speaking to few men, mostly his assistant priests, such as myself. He is known to be a great tactician, and his great grandfather also distinguished himself as your ancestor's Right Hand Marshal at Santiago.

If not, I can think of no better man for the post than Dejon, who has already held the post of Marshal in past, and is well suited for the job.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Squid Baron

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In the Celtic land my family comes from, my ancestors mostly liked the use of archers. They're very strong against spearmen, especially the veterans. They are however quite weak to defend.
I've learnt fronm my grandfather that horsemen are the prefect troops to slay archers.
Archers are also very useful to put into cities and let attack when the enemy approaches our cities. They can weaken the enemy quite well and are very useful as long as they don't stay alone on the battlefield.

Aidun Cian the Older

	15-01-2003 22:46									#5
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While my hope is that our unique place on this continent will keep us out of harm's way (at least until after 1 of the northern trio is defeated), that hope could be shattered. Although it is highly illogical for one of them to invade us early on, it could happen. Trip could decide to march an archer stack over the mountains towards Madrid. ND could decide to move forces en mass into Cow Valley to secure it as a ND expansion zone. GoW could send a team of horsemen down the coast to attack our new settlements. Anything, no matter how unlikely, is still possible.

We are not in position now to mass an army, but we need to form a plan about what MINIMUM numbers and units we should have, what steps we should take to ensure we have an early warning, and how we should defend our border cities.

In my mind, a military preparedness process will begin after our Pamplona settler sets forth, but it could actually begin now, in Madrid.

First, we need some sort of border patrol in place that can spot an early invading army.

Second, we will need roads to link cities together so they can share defensive units.

Third, we must quickly settle the fronteer and then fortify it. We must fortify it not only with spearmen but with two horsemen teams that can quickly move to trouble spots on the west and east. We should also prepare warriors who can be upgraded to swords to be used as our shock troops.

Finance: I plan to rush us to Mapmaking and then scale back our research and focus on buying, selling, and trading techs while we pay to upgrade swordsmen. We may also rush to Monarchy so that we can buy units and improvements instead of poprushing them.

Plans: There needs to be a plan in place to attack ND should the need arise. We should later work on plans to attack Lux once their cities come into our sphere of influence.

Goal: Peace through strength. I DO NOT want to cripple our economy paying for military units, and we will need a lot of cities to help cover the costs of our military, so we cannot stop REXing for some time. However, a strong military is vital to our survival and we must integrate our military production with our expansion.

--Togas

	15-01-2003 23:12									#6
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The next two settlers are for the border cities.

This authorize 20 units without upkeep : Five workers and 15 military.

- 5 spearmen in the cities
- 6 warriors (4 at 3 hp and 2 at 2 hp)
- 4 horses

When the total of 20 will be build, the 2 warriors at 2 hp should be disbanded if thay have not been promoted at that time to be replaced by horses or swords. Meantime, these 2 warriors could be lookout in the jungle.

The highest priority must be given to the roads :
- to connect the first luxury to Pamplona then Madrid;
- to connect Pamplona to the two border cities.

	16-01-2003 03:05									#7
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The 2 northern boarder cities can be the initial center for our next group of Workers, as they will be somewhat limited in size and Growth Rates (at least until they have some Irrigation Added).

Even though we are a Commerial Nation, The Corruption/Waste in the Cities will not be reduced until they are connected to the Trade Network (Corruption Distance Factor is times 1.0 when not connected, times 0.85 when it is connected).

The Ability to produce Veteran Units is also a must have. We will need to have some Barracks built soon (but not too soon) in Madrid & Pamplona.

The thing is to make sure that we have a proper Balance of all of our needs, Military, Science & Commercial.

Eta Tamali

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quote: Originally posted by E_T The 2 northern boarder cities can be the initial center for our next group of Workers...

Señor Tamali, I was vaguely considering requesting a worker be built in Pamplona after our first Settlers. It hasn't been discussed yet because it was still 8-9 turns away. I just wanted to throw it out there. I think we are in dire straits when it comes to networking the cities together.

	23-01-2003 23:36									#9
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Military Defense Projects:

Early Warning Division

We're going to need FIVE warriors to act as guardians in the north that will be able to give us an early warning in the event that an enemy is moving south to attack us.

I plan to station 3 of these warriors in the north-western jungle, one in the middle of Las Sierra Brilliantes, and one at Gateway peak (the brown mountain at the top of the jungle next to the Arabian Mountains).


Cow Valley Defense Plan

4 Key cities (2 on the river, 2 backing them up) all with 1 turn of separation and the ability for units in the back cities to strike the enemy the moment they cross Rio Pirhana. Flexible defense. Will rely strongly on the use of horsemen to attack enemy forces prior to their attack on our cities. Defenders mass to point of attack.

Current problems: Need to add to plan so that an approach from the tile north of the horses, going AROUND the river can be dealt with. Currently, this is the most logical invasion route into the valley. Some creative thinking will be needed to solve this problem.

Will require first that cities are made and that roads are made to allow for the rapid movement of units between all cities. Border cities will have 3 defenders minimum, walls, barracks, temples. Horsemen to be stationed in all cities and moved as the need arises.


Barbarian Patrol

A small group (3-4) of horsemen will travel the wilderness searching out barbarian huts and destroying them, and then leaving them room to regrow. Repeat cycle. Will allow us to profit from spoils takens from these savages. These groups may also be called upon to protect our settlements and fight off barbarian uprisings.


Eastern Defenders

Some discussion needs to be done on how to defend Madrid and our cities East of Pamplona. Due to the terrain, we may be able to use swordsmen or horsemen with a decent road system. The East may rely more on early warning and the mass infusion of horsemen from Cow Valley to come to their aid.

--Togas

	23-01-2003 23:47									#10
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This sounds good. However I'd like to know what we will do between now and the time we have the cities and units necessary for these plans.

I'd like to see a early version of the Early Warning Division, at least.

I assume TEG will be escorting Basher for awhile. The Madrid Expedition will complete their jungle exploration in 4 turns, and then can head to any number of waypoints. The Pamplona, Maygar, and Bulgar Warriors could also assist, but will take varying amounts of time to get into position.

	24-01-2003 05:38									#11
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Request from the Governor of Madrid

Madrid will need a second military unit, ideally a warrior currently on exploration duties, to be brought to the city in order to hold down unrest on those turns where unrest is an issue.

Such a warrior could participate in an "early warning system" as long as they did not stray far from Madrid and were able to enter the city during periods of potential unrest.

If Plan B for Madrid is followed (building the temple), such a warrior may not be necessary at all or only for a very limited period of time.

	25-01-2003 18:01									#12
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Interesting defense projects, dictatore.

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Milord, I heartily approve, on behalf of the clan of the Calamari. We shall contribute as much of our personal wealth to the plans for the country's defense as you ask.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Thane Lord Marshal of the Calamari Family

	30-01-2003 07:47									#14
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Once we get the Horses connected up and have a city that can build a few of these fine units, we need to start having some roving patrols, so that we can quickly kill any Barbarian Encampments that might come up.

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I see the need for 2 to 3 to patrol the our main area while we are REXing and maybe 1 to work between Sierra Brillientes and the Jungle. The first few will not have to be Vets, if we work it correctly and have them promoted from the Barbs.

The sooner that we are able to destroy a Barb camp, the sooner that another one will pop up. This will mean much more money for us to work with.

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Letus Eta Tamali

	30-01-2003 11:11									#15
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Nice plan E_T.
What shall we call it... Barbvesting or Barbgrowing?


BTW: When the ugly little Warmongos know we got a horseperson, (being politically correct) their silly little threats will look even more ridiculous.

	31-01-2003 00:23									#16
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First, we will soon be done with the "scouting" phase and will begin to enact the "patrol" phase. We have four warrior divisions: Madrid, Pamplona, TEG, and Magyar (who have proven their worth). These 4 will soon be reassigned to the northern border area to not only patrol for enemy invaders, but to also watch and kill barbarians.

I need someone to oversee all four of these divisions and to coordinate their activities in the north so that Spain will be more secure. One of the commanders of these groups shall rise to command them all.

Within 12 turns we will have a stable of tamed horses with which to ride, and will teach our warriors to fight while riding on these horses. We will then create two groups of horse riding warriors. The first group will patrol the southern wilderness in search of barbarians. The second group will help protect Cow Valley.

I will need prospective commanders for both groups. All of these groups will also need names.

We will name all units from each group, and assign each division a number.

--Togas

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Olé-Olé!
My family has just invested in a gold mining company up North. They asked me to go there and whip the slaves to work.
Well, I said NO. It seemed very little challenging just whipping slaves who couldn't fight back, so we hired a fat ugly little person (I think it is a male) called Texceira to do the whipping... Oh, and he loved the job! Now, what I'm looking for is a job in The Spanish Army...

	31-01-2003 14:46									#18
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As my family is moving from Pamplona to the City of Nohorns (ooc cows are called horns in local Pamplonian dialect ooc) I would very much like for my oldest son Emilio Meneñdez de Nuñez to be part of this new endavour to tame and train these magnificent animals in warfare. I will let him speak for himself.

Greetings.
I am Emilio Meneñdez de Nuñez and I have long wished to join the training grounds of Madrid to be able to help protect my beautiful homeland from the barbarous enemies that prowl in the jungles and mountains. Unforunately I have been requested by my family to stay in Pamplona and be part of our family enterprise. As we are leaving and starting anew I am released of any such duties as my younger brothers are now fully capable of taking over the business.

I hope therefore that I may now be given a place amongst the soldiers to be trained in Saragossa in the near future. Thank you for your time.

Emilio Meneñdez de Nuñez
Antonio Meneñdez de Nuñez

	31-01-2003 18:58									#19
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Great Togas,

Since Barcelona will produce a worker soon, and maybe a second later, and the Madrid worker will come soon too, I demand that our Magyar warrior stay near Barcelona to protect them against possible barbarian attacks. I'm affraid that the Magyar campement will appear again and that the alone warrior of Barcelona could not be an enough defense if several barbarians were attacking at once.

Hear me, Great Togas, the people of Barcelona is very worried about that...

Martin Astronicus the Younger
Chief Architect of Spain
Governor of Barcelona

	02-02-2003 20:16									#20
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If we have no troops around here, I'm willing to go out there with the long rare metal-bladed weapon my brother (god bless his soul) sent me from his TEG-expedition, and face those pesky barbarians alone, if I have to.

Also, with the bronze he gave me, I can make some cruel wires to tie up the barbs with. I could call them barbwires.
Let the Spanish Army gain as much experience as possible by defeating these stinking uncivilized tribes.

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	04-02-2003 03:21									#21
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This is plan #1, but the only real changes would be in the Jungle Area, due to the establishment of the next city in about 7 turns.



From the 1990BC Map:

Madrid Disperses the Barb Camp next turn and the recupperates and finishs exploring the SE coast line (we still need that Info, for city placement). It them will start a curcular sweep of that area for the next group a Barbs that Might appear.

Maygars go and take care of the Barbs on the Tamali Plains. It them will follow a route that will stay mostly in the highlands, to better see any barbs.

Pamplona will Move to the West coast and finish the exploration there (so that we can better plan the cities that will be placed there). It them will then do the rest of the Patrol in that section and Repeat. This might be reversed, If there is a Barb Camp that is somewhere NW of TEG.

TEG will follow, Basher North and into the Jungle a bit. By that time, we should have Our next boarder City built and he can eiter Patrol that part of the Jungle, or Join Madrid in Patroling that section of the Jungle.

For now, the Bulger Warriors will be staying with Pamplona.

IF any of our Warriors attain Veteran status, when their patrols bring them close to Pamplona, they will be replaced with the Bulgers, so thay can try to gain experiance out in the field.

As we get a couple of Horsemen built, we should hopefully have 1/2 of our Warriors at Veteran Status and the rest up to Regular. One of the horsemen will travel to the Eastern Grassland, to better Patrol that area. We should also have the Iron connected and be able to upgrade our Warriors.

Eta Tamali

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E_T,

I wouldn't the Magyar warrior leaving the Barcelona-Madrid area at the moment. With two workers there, I would have Magyar staying in this area (after beating the Bulgar tribe) until Barcelona will become better defended (after building a Spearman).

BTW, I'm pretty sure that another barbarian camp will appear soon in the same area. Magyar should wait calmly until this happens, to beat them, and so on.

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That's why I have it's route to go in that general area, so that it will stay relatively close to Barcelona.

Eta Tamali

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The Magyars should stay within 4 tiles of Barcelona (with the exception of raids on Barbarian huts) until Barcelona can create an additional defender.

By this time we should have horsemen to serve our Barbarian harvesting needs. The Barcelona warrior will be moved to the front to serve as a sentry.

--Togas

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I have controled the Pamplona warriors for far too long. I need a general to take command of this division. Their goal would be to clear out the last remaining "dark patches" of coastline on our west coast, and then to MOVE NORTH to the jungle to patrol for enemy units and settlers. Should they come within range of a barbarian settlement, they are to destroy it immediately.

The new general of this unit shall also come up with an original name for this unit.

PlagueRat Your TEG has been conscripted for far too long by yours truly. This next turn, the GoW should be out of our nation. You will then retain control of this division. You may choose to rename it as well. You have two options. Either travel the western shore, northward, to learn more about the world beyond us, or to patrol the jungle for enemy units that may threaten Spain. Do know that, should an emergency occur, we will call you home immediately.

--Togas

	10-02-2003 20:21									#26
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Since my brother was an explorer, and a guild member who died during the task of exploring the jungle, I would like them to travel Northwards to learn more about the world. They can also serve as an observator corps in those areas when a situation arise there.

I myself, walking in the footsteps of my brother, really do enjoy journeying, but also fighting. And a job in the Spanish army is just what I need. Colonel of the renamed TEG unit Guardia Observatória (GuObs) perhaps?


Or does Bashers Removal Ezcadrone (BaRemEz) sound better ?

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PlagueRat -- You have command of this division. I ask only that you verify that GoW has left our region and then set forth on a trek to discover more about the north-western world. You should now post orders in the turnthread and also post orders to rename this unit if you so desire.

lzprst -- You have been given command of the Pamplona Warriors. You are to now post orders in the turnthread. Please post a new name for this unit (if you so choose). Your assignment is to first clear out the black tiles near the sea, and then to move north to the jungle to patrol for enemy units.

--Togas

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I need a General to rise forth from amongst the ranks to help Spain plan and develop our military. Our nation needs a single voice who will speak for our military needs and preparation.

We need a leader. Who should be given this great responsibility?

--Togas

	13-03-2003 04:15									#29
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Our Military deployment plans need to once again be reviewed. Now that we have a General, I urge him to express his opinion on this topic as well.

I have assigned a Spear Division to serve as worker protection for the workers who are building the IRON ROAD. He should arrive with additional workers in 2 turns to the construction site. At this time, GuObs will be free for a new assignment.

The Ferocalvos have been sent north of Saragossa after an extended period of R&R to patrol the jungle. This is not very exciting work or very rewarding work for commander LzPrst, and consideration must be made about the future of this proud division.

I would like to reward the Ferocalvos and historic GuObs by upgrading both regiments with swords, however, or borders need to be protected. They may simply be stationed near Saragossa and will use the barracks there once they are completed (after the current temple build).

I would like to see 3 warriors north of madrid and NE of Saragossa watching for enemy movement. I'd also like to see us create a force of @4-6 horsemen who rotate fighting barbarians, becoming elites.

Right now we have 7 warriors. We should have the funds to upgrade 6. Keeping 3 on our border means creating 2 more warriors, and then horsemen and settlers/spears from Madrid.

However, with every new unit we make, we lose one gpt until we get a few more cities built. We need to seriously consider the effects our military will have on our economy and begin discussing what our limits should be on military development.

--Togas

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Honorable Lord. I believe it might be time for me to retire from my leadership. I have travelled with my men for many centuries, and I am reaching the age when I can no longer participate as vigorously in battle as I used to. Commander Skiff can be trusted with the patrolling duties required.

As for our military, I am beginning to believe that the great enemy will not come in my lifetime. I think we should focus on expanding into our vast uncolonized lands as soon as our warriors are given swords.