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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:25
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From Togas today: read and snicker...
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I'm sending you a copy of the PM I sent to Unorthodox:
Unorthodox,
Quite frankly, I don't believe your team ever seriously considered us as allies. You were sent over just to distract us. Everything you asked for we offered you in our second treaty -- if you wanted something specific you should have written it yourself and not asked us to do it and then rejecting it and pretended that it "just wasn't going to work out."
Enough with the excuses. Let's keep this simple and to the point: If, on the off chance, what you say is true, AND if your team actually is concerned about what is in their best interest, and not just attacking us because "it would be so cool to go fight those guys. We hate them." Then I'll make it simple: This is what we offer --
GoW gets all of Old Voxia, and all of Neu Dem except for the valley in which Mavdad sits OR 50% of the land on our continent, whichever is more. You choose.
GoW receives iron, ivory, and spices for 20 turns.
GoW receives Engineering.
GoW is paid 160g for Chivalry.
RP will join you in an attack on ND, thus making for a 3 front war, and one which ND cannot possibly win.
Furthermore, we swear to join with you in attacks on Gathering Storm and Legoland at a time of your choosing, so long as you give us advanced warning and time to prepare.
It was never my intention nor my wish for GoW to be the pawns of RP. It has been and remains my intention for an equal partnership, one that is mutually beneficial and gives the greatest reward to both sides. And, in the end, once the two team with the most chance of winning (GS & Lego) are defeated, ONE OF US will win this game. Your team and mine will have an equal opportunity.
You can't trust us any more than you can trust ND, however, what you can trust is that your entire army will be between us and your cities. ND could stab you in the back with a 3-move unit and take down cities before you can blink. We cannot.
You talk about how "all you want is 50%" ... how can ND give you that? What sort of odd, undefendable split are you going to have? Both of your capitals are in the north. Is one of you going to move down here or do you each get a piece of Spain, so they get one large territory and you get 2 territories you have to protect? Their capital is centrally located, how long will they wait before they go for all of Bob? Do you really think you can take them one-on-one later on?
Listen, if your team truely wants to take the best offer, then TALK to us. If not, then you can go be silly warmongers, just don't waste my time trying to rationalize it because you know and I know that an alliance with ND is never going to work out. One of you will betray the other, and GoW is the one who's putting themselves in position to easily be stabbed. ND is just growing their empire. For ND, this alliance makes sense ... kill one neighbor and stretch the other neighbor out. I can't see how it makes any sense for you.
--Togas
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:25
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Yeah, one minute...was busy composing a response to the rediculous MPP talk.
Im sure he meant Riders, there, not Ansars...Im also sure he has written similar to ND trying to convince them to attack us...
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Unorthodox,
I'm sorry if I seemed too harsh with you in my previous email. This whole debacle has been extremely frustrating from my end as I've searched for both a logical explaination, and for a means to change a few minds.
Let me make one thing clear to you and please tell this to your team: NOTHING is set in stone. For you or for us. If opinions should change, new opportunities arise, or reluctance creep in, we welcome a talk and welcome future negotiations.
Sure, I'm going to be a bit p*ssed off in the beginning of the talks (so I'll probably have one of my calmer teammates talk), but ultimately I belive in reason over pride. What matters to me is what is best for Spain and I will do anything and everything I can to see to it that Spain survives and flourishes. Except, of course, if we are to live as Vox, slaves and exiles. None of us could stand that. I believe we would rather be eliminated from this game than to suffer on in apathy.
I still wish we could avoid all this. Hell, is there any real harm in sending those Ansars back and attacking Mavdad? Would it be such a bad thing for your team to change it's mind? One good betrayal deserves another
Anyhow, thanks for the PM and for your time.
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GhengisFarb
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I want my HAMBURGERS!!
May 2002
time: 23:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Ohhh .. can I send that bit about Vox to Beta ???
Please please please
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Yes, please do. In fact we might want to consider sending this to Lego and GS.
Send the complete ones to ND.
The following to GS, Lego, and Vox:
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Let me make one thing clear to you and please tell this to your team: NOTHING is set in stone. For you or for us. If opinions should change, new opportunities arise, or reluctance creep in, we welcome a talk and welcome future negotiations.
What matters to me is what is best for Spain and I will do anything and everything I can to see to it that Spain survives and flourishes. Except, of course, if we are to live as Vox, slaves and exiles. None of us could stand that. I believe we would rather be eliminated from this game than to suffer on in apathy.
Would it be such a bad thing for your team to change it's mind? One good betrayal deserves another
--Togas |
And then send the following to GS and Lego:
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Enough with the excuses. Let's keep this simple and to the point: If, on the off chance, what you say is true, AND if your team actually is concerned about what is in their best interest, and not just attacking us because "it would be so cool to go fight those guys. We hate them." Then I'll make it simple: This is what we offer --
GoW gets all of Old Voxia, and all of Neu Dem except for the valley in which Mavdad sits OR 50% of the land on our continent, whichever is more. You choose.
GoW receives iron, ivory, and spices for 20 turns.
GoW receives Engineering.
GoW is paid 160g for Chivalry.
RP will join you in an attack on ND, thus making for a 3 front war, and one which ND cannot possibly win.
Furthermore, we swear to join with you in attacks on Gathering Storm and Legoland at a time of your choosing, so long as you give us advanced warning and time to prepare.
It was never my intention nor my wish for GoW to be the pawns of RP. It has been and remains my intention for an equal partnership, one that is mutually beneficial and gives the greatest reward to both sides. And, in the end, once the two team with the most chance of winning (GS & Lego) are defeated, ONE OF US will win this game. Your team and mine will have an equal opportunity.
--Togas
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