20-01-2003 11:28									#31
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"Are you from BC? If so, how are people there taking that stupid move Campbell pulled in Hawaii?"

Willem- I'm from BC.

Liberals (small l) and the NDP supporters are castigating Campbell for hypocrisy, as he publicly stated that any Premier accused of a crime should step down until the investigation has finished.

The party is just shaking off the complaints. No non-confidence motion anytime soon.

Campbell will fall for one reason and one reason only-
failing to balance the budget. This Campbell case will lower some of his support, but not much.

	20-01-2003 11:28									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger My point is not that there aren't closures of projects, but that it doesn't look like the Alberta oil industry is in any sort of overall slide...

Especially with the price of crude going up because of Iraq and Venezuela.

	20-01-2003 11:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How the hell can they have a cost estimate like that when the federal government hasn't said how it's going to deal with the Alberta oilsands???

Based on an emissions tax of 15$ per ton (which is what the gov't said it would probably peg the price at). The oil industry (at least the bright parts of it) are seeing an opportunity here...

It wasn't just Suncor; another company that week said it felt that Kyoto would not be a significant bar to development...

	20-01-2003 11:30									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Willem As an American, I don't see how you have any business saying who should or shouldn't break away.

They want the oil. But what he doesn't know is that nobody gets out of this country alive. Quebec's been whining for 300 years, but it's still trapped. We're a big dysfunctional family where everybody threatens to move out, but nobody wants to pay the rent or do their own laundry.

	20-01-2003 11:31									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Especially with the price of crude going up because of Iraq and Venezuela.

That in no way affects things like the job market in Alberta, it just adds to provincial coffers ($108M/year for every $1 increase) and company profits.

quote: Based on an emissions tax of 15$ per ton (which is what the gov't said it would probably peg the price at). The oil industry (at least the bright parts of it) are seeing an opportunity here...

The problem isn't the emissions tax they're worried about.

The problem is we need to reduce emissions. The oil sands projects are HUGE polluters, they work by mining and converting -- it pollutes more than normal oil extraction by a good deal. The Federal government may do something to stop that, because every new project drastically increases Canada's pollution...which undermines the purpose of Kyoto.

quote: It wasn't just Suncor; another company that week said it felt that Kyoto would not be a significant bar to development...

Which one?

	20-01-2003 11:31									#36
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"As an American, I don't see how you have any business saying who should or shouldn't break away."

Last time I checked this was not a Canadienthreade, Willem.

Or is it?

	20-01-2003 11:32									#37
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Well isn't that cute...Canadian elections.

	20-01-2003 11:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 "Are you from BC? If so, how are people there taking that stupid move Campbell pulled in Hawaii?" Willem- I'm from BC. Liberals (small l) and the NDP supporters are castigating Campbell for hypocrisy, as he publicly stated that any Premier accused of a crime should step down until the investigation has finished. The party is just shaking off the complaints. No non-confidence motion anytime soon. Campbell will fall for one reason and one reason only- failing to balance the budget. This Campbell case will lower some of his support, but not much.

He's already been taking it up the ass in the polls, hasn't he? His hospital closures and layoffs weren't exactly popular. My prediction is 4 years of Campbell followed by another 15 years of NDP rollercoaster.

	20-01-2003 11:33									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Which one?

Can't remember. Was a joint story when I watched it on the news.

	20-01-2003 11:33									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Willem As an American, I don't see how you have any business saying who should or shouldn't break away.

Ok. I hope in future times you and all other Canadians will refrain from commenting interal US politics

	20-01-2003 11:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Well isn't that cute...Canadian elections.

It must be frustrating to live in a region of the US that's less significant than Canada.

	20-01-2003 11:35									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Can't remember. Was a joint story when I watched it on the news.

I can guarantee you it was most likely from a company already completed (or too far in to pull out) project. They're doing it to save their stocks.

The companies that were looking at starting projects have been reconsidering and shelving projects...

	20-01-2003 11:36									#43
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Hmmm....

Let's see: any time an American comments on Canadian politics (aside from a few exceptions) all he can contribute is to encourage bits of Canada to break away and join the US. You're welcome to do so, Shi, but it would be much more interesting if you would go to the trouble of getting some background first...

	20-01-2003 11:39									#44
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 "As an American, I don't see how you have any business saying who should or shouldn't break away." Last time I checked this was not a Canadienthreade, Willem. Or is it?

Hey, they jump down my throat when I stick my nose in their politics! So I feel perfectly justified in dishing some back when they do the same to us.

	20-01-2003 11:39									#45
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"He's already been taking it up the ass in the polls, hasn't he? His hospital closures and layoffs weren't exactly popular. My prediction is 4 years of Campbell followed by another 15 years of NDP rollercoaster. "

Willem

According to the media, but some of the people like this image change. I saw a hilarious political cartoon today, comparing the Campbell before the election, and the Campbell afterwards.

The before Campbell wore underwear on top of his pants. Now Campbell just wears briefs on his head.


People were promised economic prosperity under the new Campbell era. If he balances the budget, he'll be fine. Hospital closings only an issue in the Lower Mainland. In the North, the big deal is with the courthouses and the schools.

Most BC'ers don't mind taking these sacrifices so long as the province turns the corner. We're all envious of Alberta and the Klein revolution.

	20-01-2003 11:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Ok. I hope in future times you and all other Canadians will refrain from commenting interal US politics

Fine with me, as long as you don't drag the rest of the world into your problems.

	20-01-2003 11:41									#47
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(Stupid Question: How do I get me a flag next to the ol' name?)

Canadian politics is in a sad, sad state right now, in my opinion...

The Alliance is filled with (a) rednecks (and I'm from Alberta, so I'm qualified to judge), (b) idiots, and (c) lost Tories.

The Tories themselves are castrated.

The NDP, who ideally I would match up with best, are a bunch of do-nothing whiners who let Svend Robinson get away with unabashedly supporting the Palestinian Authority to a degree that even Dubya would find excessive...

And the Liberals. My god, the Liberals... They truly have an unbreakable hold on federal politics, and I just don't know why... Actually, it's probably just for lack of an alternative. Or who knows, maybe down east people actually LIKE the Liberals for some unfathomable reason...

The gun registration is the most sickening waste of tax dollars I've ever heard of.

Asher: you're right about Alberta oil being at a standstill, but you have to admit that when the Ft. MacMurray, Leduc, and wherever else oil sands dry up, Alberta's gonna be in for a world of economic hurt. Especially what with Ralphie Moneymaker's right-wing tweakings... The Energy prices have skyrocketed under privatization, and health & education are going downhill fast.

It's a bad scene all around.

	20-01-2003 11:43									#48
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quote: Asher: you're right about Alberta oil being at a standstill, but you have to admit that when the Ft. MacMurray, Leduc, and wherever else oil sands dry up, Alberta's gonna be in for a world of economic hurt. Especially what with Ralphie Moneymaker's right-wing tweakings... The Energy prices have skyrocketed under privatization, and health & education are going downhill fast.

The Alberta oilsands aren't even close to being dried up (they've extracted less than 1% of known oil, and they're still exploring...), and the Alberta economy has been disversifying quite rapidly over the past 20 years.

We're not there yet, but we'll definitely be there soon.

And you should look at the energy prices, they're back to levels just before privatization. There was a huge spike for a year, but they normalized.

And IIRC, Alberta still tested the highest in math and reading skills in the country.

And several new hospitals are being built, and a ton of new schools, and nurses just got a huge payraise...

	20-01-2003 11:44									#49
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cinch:

Here is the deal with the flags:

go to your control panel:

Click on "Edit Profile"

Slide down past "Birthdate" until you reach,
"Select your Country."

	20-01-2003 11:44									#50
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NDP! NDP! NDP!

Anyhow, they stripped Svend of his ME responsibilities after his trip. Which made for entertaining TV, BTW. It's not every day you see an Israeli soldier bullying a Canadian MP around...

	20-01-2003 11:46									#51
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Most BC'ers don't mind taking these sacrifices so long as the province turns the corner. We're all envious of Alberta and the Klein revolution.

I think they'd be better off looking at the mess Mike Harris made of Ontario. The PCs are going to take a beating next election I predict. The final straw was the fiasco deregulating the hydro system turned out to be.

	20-01-2003 11:47									#52
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Yup. The PCs are going to get it in Ontario, the Libs in BC. All that's left to take down is Alberta...

	20-01-2003 11:48									#53
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"The Alliance is filled with (a) rednecks"

More BC'ers voted Alliance than Albertans in the last elections.

I say the Alliance party is filled with conservatives.
Rednecks are a myth.

The PC's are Liberal lite.

	20-01-2003 11:49									#54
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The PCs are Liberals done right.

Assuming the right leaders get into power...

Not only does Clark marshall gay pride parades, but he also believes in decreasing government overhead.

The party matches my philosophy very well, but they lack leadership ability.

	20-01-2003 11:49									#55
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The CA is going down, down, down. That 10% only accounts for the province of Alberta...

	20-01-2003 11:50									#56
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And at 13% the Tories aren't going to form a government any time in the near future either.

It's time to REFOOOOOORRRRRRMMMM the Alliance.

	20-01-2003 11:52									#57
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In the perfect world, the Alliance would be disbanded, the members merged into the PCs, and they'd all adopt more Liberal social views...

	20-01-2003 11:52									#58
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quote: Slide down past "Birthdate" until you reach,

Thank you, sirrah.

quote: The Alberta oilsands aren't even close to being dried up (they've extracted less than 1% of known oil, and they're still exploring...), and the Alberta economy has been disversifying quite rapidly over the past 20 years.

You're a more optimistic man than I, Asher.

quote: We're not there yet, but we'll definitely be there soon.

That's more like it!

quote: And you should look at the energy prices, they're back to levels just before privatization. There was a huge spike for a year, but they normalized.

Well, I'll admit I'm not that wise when it comes to energy prices, so you win this round!

quote: And IIRC, Alberta still tested the highest in math and reading skills in the country.

Damn you and your stats!

quote: And several new hospitals are being built, and a ton of new schools, and nurses just got a huge payraise...

But what about the whole "private clinics can perform surgery maybe" thing? Do you buy the whole "Once you open the doors..." argument?

Ooo, and here's something else I can complain about, schoolwise: Why, oh why, do we still allow that relic of colonial Quebec, public funding to Catholic schools, to survive? Why don't Hindi community schools/learning centres get the same treatment? (Now, I'm quite sure you're about to correct me on this, too, so let me prepare myself... ok, shoot. )

	20-01-2003 11:53									#59
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"I think they'd be better off looking at the mess Mike Harris made of Ontario."

4 billion dollar deficit in BC


That's the bottom line. You can't blame the voters for focusing on this issue, since it was the key platform for the Liberals, so-called 'Fiscal responsibility.'

Don't know too much about Ontario provincial politics. I thought Mike Harris was quite popular among the conservative voters. Don't they have a new premier there? How is he doing? I have an aunt who lives there, likes the tax cuts from Harris more than anything else.

	20-01-2003 11:53									#60
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My, isn't kitty rambunctious tonight.

quote: Originally posted by Frogger All that's left to take down is Alberta...

Dream the impossible dream...