21-01-2003 08:01									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Not really. He was like Blair. As soon as US declared foreign policy, Canada was there 100%. Gulf War, Cold War...

By this logic, Chretien is a US tool?

	21-01-2003 08:02									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Well certainly not Bush. Almost anyone would look left wing compared to him. The first person that comes to mind would be Colin Powell I guess, but that's mainly because I'm not to familiar with your more moderate Republicans.

Colin Powell? What the hell do you know of US politics? Obviously not much...

Mulroney is comparable to Gore (on a day where he feels right wing) and Nader (on a day he feels left wing).

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Charest couldn't even beat Kim Campbell.

I think all leaders of the country should measure themselves to this yardstick.

	21-01-2003 08:02									#184
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Canada's there 100%?

I thought that the fact that we haven't said we'd go if there was no UN commitment would set us apart from US. And Stephen Harper seems to think so too...

	21-01-2003 08:03									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Colin Powell? What the hell do you know of US politics? Obviously not much... Mulroney is comparable to Gore (on a day where he feels right wing) and Nader (on a day he feels left wing).

You're being ridiculous.

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Canada's there 100%? I thought that the fact that we haven't said we'd go if there was no UN commitment would set us apart from US. And Stephen Harper seems to think so too...

Haven't you seen the paper in the past week?

Apparently we don't care what the UN says anymore.

	21-01-2003 08:03									#187
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Yes we do. McNallum(sp?) got told off when he said we might go without UN...

	21-01-2003 08:03									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger You're being ridiculous.

Certainly am not.

Even Gore wouldn't implement a tax like the GST.

Nader would...

Gore would sign NAFTA.
Nader wouldn't.

	21-01-2003 08:04									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Willem I think losing Charest to Quebec was a serious blow to the PCs frankly, they would have been much better off he would have remained leader of the PCs.

I agree on that point. He would have made a credible leader across Canada. Now he's stuck in Quebec with a Liberal Party that isn't willing to change to accomodate him.
I'll bet the appearance of Dumont and the ADQ will prompt both Charest and his party to start make concessions to each other though.

To get back to your comment : no one lost Charest to Quebec. Everyone on parliament hill and in Toronto, media and politicians alike were begging him to go save Quebec from Bouchard. He didn't want to go.

	21-01-2003 08:05									#190
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quote: I agree on that point. He would have made a credible leader across Canada.

You're on crack if you think the West would elect Charest.

	21-01-2003 08:05									#191
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Mulroney is a cheshire cat.

Just when you think you have him pinned on the right or the left, he disappears.

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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 If the whole country hates Mulroney so much to reject the PC's, why do they get so many votes in Ontario?

Because many of the business people here can't see voting for the CA, they're far to right wing for even them. And they obviously don't get enough to defeat the Liberals.

quote: If he's from Quebec, why don't Quebeckers vote PC?

Because Quebec has the Bloc. Plus I think they're still sore at the PCs for failing with Meech Lake. That's just conjecture though.

quote: The west wants a share of power, and I don't see the PC offering us anything.

I don't see the PCs offering to much of anything frankly.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher You're on crack if you think the West would elect Charest.

You're on crack if you think the west has anything to do with electing the prime minister.

	21-01-2003 08:08									#194
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It did with Mulroney...

	21-01-2003 08:09									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu You're on crack if you think the west has anything to do with electing the prime minister.

Isn't that part of the problem? I've always said the West has nothing to do with electing the prime minister.

But why don't you read your comment before acting like a ****, da?

quote: He would have made a credible leader across Canada.

Unless you're saying The West isn't part of Canada...

	21-01-2003 08:09									#196
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En francais, dite-ce moi en francais, quebecois.

	21-01-2003 08:13									#197
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quote: Originally posted by GP Just because they agreed on policies? Or for wood tarrif stuff? Would any PC be seen as a US ***** because they're not anti-US?

No, many Canadians felt he went out of his way to suck up to Reagan. He was kind of a yes man for the American administration. Hence the Free Trade agreement. He pretty much pushed it through without giving Canadians any say in it, because that's what Reagan and his buddies wanted. He went through the formality of public hearings etc. but it was quite obvious that he had no intention on actually listening to what anyone here had to say about it.

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It should be obvious in retrospect that NAFTA was the right thing to do.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Isn't that part of the problem? I've always said the West has nothing to do with electing the prime minister. But why don't you read your comment before acting like a ****, da? quote: He would have made a credible leader across Canada. Unless you're saying The West isn't part of Canada...

I still say he would have made a credible leader across Canada. You disagree: see if i care. You're not the west Asher.

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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu I still say he would have made a credible leader across Canada. You disagree: see if i care. You're not the west Asher.

No, but I have a shred of intelligence which tells me that Charest would certainly not be a "credible leader across Canada", because I would think it'd be fairly obvious he wouldn't be received well in the West...

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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 En francais, dite-ce moi en francais, quebecois.

What do you want me to say in french ?

	21-01-2003 08:17									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No, but I have a shred of intelligence which tells me that Charest would certainly not be a "credible leader across Canada", because I would think it'd be fairly obvious he wouldn't be received well in the West...

Why is that ? Come on! Put that shred to use!

	21-01-2003 08:19									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Why is that ? Come on! Put that shred to use!

Look at his name.

	21-01-2003 08:21									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Willem No, many Canadians felt he went out of his way to suck up to Reagan. He was kind of a yes man for the American administration. Hence the Free Trade agreement. He pretty much pushed it through without giving Canadians any say in it, because that's what Reagan and his buddies wanted. He went through the formality of public hearings etc. but it was quite obvious that he had no intention on actually listening to what anyone here had to say about it.

This thread is so full of fairy tales, but I'm gonna call you on that one.

There was an election on the issue. How much more listening did you want?

Oh, and btw... for the other youngsters, this is a link to a concise summary of the issue.
http://mediasphere.nfb.ca/E/history.../free_trade.epl

Brian Mulroney's reasoning was simple: he felt that free trade with the United States represented Canada's only hope for continued economic prosperity. He argued that market forces rather than government intervention should determine the course of the Canadian economy.

Yup. Sure sounds like a lefty to me...

	21-01-2003 08:23									#205
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As I said, NAFTA was the smartest thing he did.

Then he went left right after. It's a form of pandering...

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Look at his name.

Are you going to say what you want to say or hide behind smilies ?

	21-01-2003 08:24									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Are you going to say what you want to say or hide behind smilies ?

To be brief: Charest doesn't exactly look like he'll be looking out for Western interests.

Historically we've had bad luck with his type.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher As I said, NAFTA was the smartest thing he did. Then he went left right after. It's a form of pandering...

Wanting to cut universality in social programs and increase funding for the Armed Forces is left wing?

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Wanting to cut universality in social programs and increase funding for the Armed Forces is left wing?

Introducing new taxes is certainly not right wing...

	21-01-2003 08:29									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yeah, the GST was a very right-wing thing to do wasn't it. Go on, tell me more.

That's niether left nor right IMO. It was simply a replacement for the Manufacturers Sales Tax, which was proving to be detrimental to our producers but those from overseas. They had to make up for the lost revenue somehow; they were operating on deficit financing after all, and that's what they came up with.

quote: You must be really, really stupid if you think extreme right wing == fascist.

If you can exagerate by calling Mulroney a "commie" I can do the same by equating extreme right with fascism. And if you were to look closely enough, you can see some distinct similarities.

quote: I'm right-wing liberal, not right-wing authoritarian... How does that, in any way, have to do with the CA?...

Could have fooled me. And I guess it doesn't have anything to do with the CA

quote: Something's in the water over there...

Well you never know what sorts of chemical reactions can occur when air pollution comes in contact with water. Maybe if Alberta were to go along with Kyoto, you might find us Ontarions a much more sensible bunch.

quote: You're such a tool, you have no idea when someone is joking or serious regardless of the smilies they use as BIG FLAGS to give you hints.

OK, I guess I missed that one. Sorry.