21-01-2003 23:15									#31
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I'll tell you... wonderful food!

The best BBQ you'll ever eat, and lord, they've been hiding Sweet Tea from us Northerners! It's almost unfair that they've been hording that sweet ambrosia .

I also find Southerners generally more polite. However, the more *ahem* 'traditional' types have problems with women in positions of authority.

	21-01-2003 23:17									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'll tell you... wonderful food! The best BBQ you'll ever eat, and lord, they've been hiding Sweet Tea from us Northerners! It's almost unfair that they've been hording that sweet ambrosia . I also find Southerners generally more polite. However, the more *ahem* 'traditional' types have problems with women in positions of authority.

	21-01-2003 23:24									#33
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I beg to disagree. We have always been pleased to allow our women to assume the top position and express their passions forcefully.

We just don't consider it polite to arm wanton women with dildos. Northern men may tend to enjoy having their femine side exploited thusly, or so the rumor goes, but in the South we do hold a more the traditional view on that subject.

	21-01-2003 23:36									#35
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Double and Triple first names

Peggy Sue
Bubba Bo bob etc.

Zahamm!

	21-01-2003 23:37									#36
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Southern culture is a way of life. Honor, family, love of country, southern heritage, genuine hospitality and southern cooking. At least that what it was when I was living in Tennessee, Florida, and Texas.

Yankees like point to the hillbillies and laugh in an effort to feel superior, all the while conveniently forgetting their own backwards relatives and latent racism. I like to say that Southerns may be hicks, but Yankees are a bunch of Icks.

	22-01-2003 00:48									#37
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Jimmytrick -- I read that book twice, and found it good reading.

Racism was not exclusive to Southern states.

	22-01-2003 00:52									#38
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Alright, the main difference I've noiced down here is the politeness, a genuine set of manners on folks. Women aren't necessarily more feminine, but they say hunny, sugar, sweetheart (and various diminutives of those), etc. Makes a Northern man right crazy.

As for food, well, it's not much different from MidWestern food, 'cept fer grits, homeny, okra, and greens. Best BBQ in the country comes from Southern Illinois (according to national BBQ cook-offs), which despite being the Southern part of the state is still technically part of the North (though you wouldn't know it by bein' there).

A sense of tradition? What the hell does that mean? Do you mean there are Southern traditions (aside from the obvious stereotypes) or rather that Southerners do things a certain way just cuz that's the way things have always been done.

I suspect the latter, cuz there's a definate weight of history down here. It's as oppressive as an August night. There's a mythological history, and there's a history of terrorism, and the former only barely covers the latter. This definately seperates them from the rest of Americans, who are always looking forward, not back. Southerners are kinda old world in this sense.

I want an answer more tangible than that. What is it that makes Southerners so proud of themselves? Why do they think of themselves as a distinct group at all? The rest of the nation doesn't. It's like there's America and the South, and sometimes you're with us and sometimes you aren't.

It's gotta be more than an accent and deep fried ham hocks, more than cotton and lynchings, more than the evil "lost cause."

	22-01-2003 00:53									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Heck, just what the hell is "Southern Culture?"

Thrush.

	22-01-2003 00:57									#41
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Things definitely change more slowly there; it's a much more Anglo-Saxon society if you know what I mean. There have been fewer recent immigraints and fewer outside influences so the whole places has a much more WASP feel to it.

	22-01-2003 01:08									#42
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Stevie Ray Vaughn, the mint julep, "Yall".

All valuable contributions to civilization.

	22-01-2003 01:49									#43
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT He lives in Florida, Dino. Jacksonville, even.

Che: If you live in Florida what were you doing in Chicago for New Years? Did you fly all the way to Illinois just to go to Ming's party?

	22-01-2003 01:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Stevie Ray Vaughn, the mint julep, "Yall". All valuable contributions to civilization.

You forgot William Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Tom Robbins, T. C. Boyle, John Kennedy Toole, Delta Blues, Jazz, Elvis.

edit: rock and roll

	22-01-2003 01:54									#45
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And YOU forgot Monster Truck Rallies and the 1996 Olympics!

	22-01-2003 01:56									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Che: If you live in Florida what were you doing in Chicago for New Years? Did you fly all the way to Illinois just to go to Ming's party?

Yeah, i was wondering some things in regard to that myself.

	22-01-2003 01:56									#47
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I like monster truck rallies.

	22-01-2003 01:58									#48
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YEEHAW! Big trucks slamming into one another!

I forgot the greatest culinary gift to the world: corndogs

	22-01-2003 02:02									#49
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Coca-Cola, GWTW, MLK.

	22-01-2003 02:35									#50
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Che's got family in Chicago, IIRC.

	22-01-2003 02:59									#51
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I think that Southern cultural identity has developed so because they have been at odds politically with the rest of America since the revolution. Cultural unity encourages regional identity. Regional identity encourages people within the culture to conform to the beliefs of the majority or the beliefs or the elite.

I could, and very well maybe, completely wrong here, as I have not studied this at all. It's just an idea.

	22-01-2003 03:02									#52
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quote: I beg to disagree. We have always been pleased to allow our women to assume the top position and express their passions forcefully.

Really? So when law school career services recommend that women where skirts instead of pantsuits in order not to offend those lawyers that are the more 'traditional' that indicates to you that the South gives the same rights to women as the North?

	22-01-2003 16:53									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley You forgot William Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Tom Robbins, T. C. Boyle, John Kennedy Toole, Delta Blues, Jazz, Elvis. edit: rock and roll

I was serious.

SRV is one of my favorite musicians. Mint julep is delicious and refreshing. "Yall" characterizes the southern attitude, the laid back style etc... and i like that also.

The list isn't exhaustive and i'm not saying these three things are the best about southern culture. But i like these better than, say, the Bible belt.

	22-01-2003 18:19									#54
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo quote: Am I the only one that'd love a woman with a career? If you live by the standards of 'Southern Culture', the answer is Yes.

Ha! In my experience the southern family is more likely to be a two or even three job family than its northern counterpart!

	22-01-2003 18:22									#55
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's gotta be more than an accent and deep fried ham hocks, more than cotton and lynchings, more than the evil "lost cause."

Who needs more? That's the problem with you Yankees, you're soooooo greedy!

	22-01-2003 18:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I beg to disagree. We have always been pleased to allow our women to assume the top position and express their passions forcefully. Really? So when law school career services recommend that women where skirts instead of pantsuits in order not to offend those lawyers that are the more 'traditional' that indicates to you that the South gives the same rights to women as the North?

Dah-da-DAH!

Honestly, Imran, only someone with no perspective can take fashion advice and turn it into the biggest case of discrimination in the history of the Republic.

And you forgot to spell it "womyn"... which is an improvement over a few months ago. WTG!! You're making progress!

	22-01-2003 18:30									#57
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Btw, my wife doesn't have a career*. Oppression just runs in my genes, I guess.

*You see, raising a child is EASY. It takes NO effort at all, and to even imply that what she does is honorable or needed is to cast aspersions on all good working women everywhere.

	22-01-2003 18:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Btw, my wife doesn't have a career*. Oppression just runs in my genes, I guess.

Really? My Levis have never oppressed me.

	22-01-2003 18:53									#59
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Ouch. My ears are ringing, dammit. That one HURT!

	22-01-2003 18:54									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Really? My Levis have never oppressed me.

Hmmm. Given the size of the frontal package, my Levi's are always o' pressin' on me!