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I got a second message from GS...its the same as above with an additional last paragrapgh.

They are offering CoL this round.

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Okay, sent them 100 gold for CoL.

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Just a quick note, that I got email from GS. I sped read it this morning before running out the door for work.

They are pleased that we are going ahead with the trade for CoL.
They accepted my apology for screwing them around with our "counteroffer" after we had already accepted the original deal.
I corrected their view that we had a joint war with ND against Lux. I told them that although there was some co-ordination, our war with Lux was for our own reasons, and was not a joint action. This is just promoting the idea that we do not have any alliance with ND.


They are interested in our situation with ND, and our Iron issues.
I have been maintaining the illusion that we dont get along with ND, and that our source of iron is "vulnerable".
I suggested that we are looking for a good trading partner that can trade us Iron if ND removes our supply.
They seemed keen to explore this further....but are waiting the results of our current trade.


I have not suggested anything yet, but I think we should come up with some deal that would advantage us both....

Perhaps, HBR for a guaranteed source of Iron that we may call upon at any stage.
ie If ND attacks 1 round before we get Pikes or Riders, then we can call upon our contract and get an emergency supply from GS. They will end up getting HBR from Lux or some other civ for next to nothing anyway.

They have not yet even told me if they have a 2nd supply of iron...but it is worth exploring a little, as it encourages the idea that we dont trust ND. And if ND does ever doublecross us, we will have a backup source.

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Yet another note from GS

quote: Hi Hot_Enamel! I recieved your letter. I hope your negotiations will fare better- Lux are hard to bargain with, as it seems from various posts on the main board, but i'm sure your skills and determination will overcome these obstacles, and an agreement will be reached. I also wanted to clarify one issue, and i hope you are not offended by me mentioning this: Our team wanted to remind you, that according to our agreement, you are to send us MM the moment you research it, and not delay the deliverance. I was pretty confident this is how you see things as well, but for the sake of being absolutely sure, i thought it was best to clearly state this. One more thing- do you have any idea if RP is planning or going to sell CoL to ND? Thanks alot Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

My response was:

quote: Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm, As I mentioned in previous correspondence, feel free to contact me if you experience any problems (inconsistent comments) within our team. As I understand our deal, we are to transfer MM to you as soon as we have finished researching it. I do not have the latest sav, and our turn reporting has not mentioned when it will exactly become available...but I know it will be soon. I will find out for sure and let you know. The Lux/Vox consortium has certainly become difficult to trade with. We are essentially treating them as one team. Any tech trade to one, will be gifted to the other. We are quite certain of this. We are keenly interested in your diplomatic relations with Vox. There has been many rumours of a pending war between your two nations. Certainly having a 3rd nation on your continent that has so closely aligned itself with Vox, will have complicated the matter even further. Our peace treaty with Lux has stalled. We have called upon Lux's puppet masters to deal with us directly. Lux is having difficulty in trying to abide by their master, and also sweeten any deal for themselves. They are becoming difficult to deal with. As to RP selling CoL to ND ? I personally cannot answer this. RP certainly offered it to us, so you can be certain they will offer it to ND. GoW and ND communications are mainly concerned with trying to settle on a border, and doing some trade. I will post the question on our board, and let you know if any of our team responds. Regards Hot_Enamel of the GoW

So I need to know....
When does MM arrive ? We have a 10 turn no-resell agreement so there is no reason to hold back on it.

They obviously want to sell CoL to ND, and are concerned RP will undercut them. I assume we are planning of trading CoL to ND in 10 turns. So I will just claim ignorance.

I am stiring the pot regarding Vox/Lux and am trying to get info out of them.

I also believe, that GS has a close relationship with RP. If RP does try to undercut their sale of CoL to ND, it could cause some friction between RP & GS. So perhaps it is wise to consider letting ND purchase CoL from RP just to get GS pissed at RP.

Does anyone have any objections to me persuing the possibility of GS being our backup on iron ? Assuming they have 2 sources available.

Regs

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I would not object to anyone being a backup supplier of Iron.

Well...except Lux...

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I have been courting GS...here is the latest correspondence from Zeit.

quote: Hot_Enamel, Honorable consul of the Glory of War. The news of Lux demise caught me by suprised- when i was away from the boards for some 24 hours. Indeed, this incident of Vox finishing off Lux does not contribute to the regional stability, things have been delicate before, and abrupt moves such as this one does remind us to be on constant watch- the world of Civ 3 MP can treacherous and unforgiving. I believe some explanation on our hand regarding the safe heaven Lux used to have in our continent is in order. I want to stress out, that Vox sprung their plan to bring Lux here without our approval. Once it was presented to us a given, we decided to try and live with it, rather than risk an escallation of tensions, and possibly even war, with Vox. We have witnessed the growing tension between those you referred to as "the puppet and its master". We did not expect such a move from Vox, and could only guess what led them to this. That is not to say that we were not concerned with our own interests when handling the situation- we were quite aware of the unexpected nature of Lux and the liability their staying here was. Our efforts to pacify the two faction did not succeed, and the outcome is known to all. Regarding the Iron trade- we obviously can't carry that out right now- as there is no trading route between our two nations. Even if such trade is possible, we cannot promise it will be carried out- iron surpluses are always in need, if the unfortunate happens, and one source is depleted. We once again say- this trade will probably be possible, and will be sought after by our team, but we cannot promise anything right now, and wouldn't want you to make plans about the future. We also suggest you connect the Iron with a colony- because of the risk of major war erupting, which are a great concern to us- the outcome of which could result in the emergence of an unstopable superpower, which i think is a common interest to both our teams. I hope things are cooling down on BOB, i don't like seeing abrupt and untimely ends like the one Lux suffered- although i can possibly understand the motives behind this. In this regard how is the GoW-ND Luxian land division negotiation going? With Regards. Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

I am sending him daily propaganda...and will continue to do so. Nothing too serious, just that we dont get along with ND.

I would also like to point out something that was mentioned on the main boards by Vox....The money they received from Lux had been shared with other teams. We didnt get any, so I assume maybe GS got some.

Perhaps GS & Vox are a lot closer aligned than we think.

Regs

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I would tend to agree with you on the Vox/GS situation HE.

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quote: Originally posted by donegeal I would not object to anyone being a backup supplier of Iron. Well...except Lux...

I don't think you have to worry about us getting anything from Lux.......

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Message from Zeit

quote: Hot_Enamel, consul of the Glory of War. I got your last 3 messages, and i'm once again sorry for not contacting you earlier. Now that things become urgent for you, i'll reply without delay. You were concerned with how the Luxian situation worked for us, and what Vox had "shared". The issue is more complex than a simple matter of sharing. Vox decision for admitting Lux entry into our continent was made without discussing it with us. As you probably realize, we didn't like the idea of Lux taking refuge here, for several reasons. One of them may be the reputation Lux had for stirring up trouble, but you can also imagine the obvious diplomatic liability. In addition to that, Portia's location was troublesome for the GS. Therefor, we decided a compensation is in order- our responsibilty in keeping the Lux-Vox affair secretly, having Lux as a close neighbor, and the possible degradation of our international relations were our investment in this. The compensation was supposed to come from Lux, and in fact it has, but technically it was Vox who has given it too us. I'll save you the details of the entire negotiation process, but i'm pretty sure this information satisfies you, and answers you questions. As for the WM trade- the GS doesn't see any compelling reason to make that trade right now. I'm sure you can understand our desire to keep this sensitive piece of information to ourselves, for the time being. The HBR trade: Although i'm sure you are quite eager to sell the tech for us, at what you see as bargain price, this tech has no serious significance for us, as we have War Chariots instead of Horsemen. This tech was already obtained by our team, as part of a tech arrangement, in which it played a minor role. As for your latest offer for the Legoland conact along with Philosophy: we are discussing this matter at our boards as i right this letter to you. Our team is very interested in the contact, obviously, but not so much in philosophy- we have already put some investment into it, and are not interested in buying it. I hope a deal involving only the contact on your part in plausible for you, but i'm afraid we cannot offer you anything for Philosophy. With great respect Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

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Message from Zeit,

quote: Hot_Enamel, honored consul of the Glory of War, I'm sorry about Philosophy- a deal involving this tech will not be possible, as this tech will be in our possesion by the next turn. As for the contact- i certainly hope a deal can be worked out- we are very much interested in getting the contact. You should take into consideration that pretty soon other teams will have contact with Legoland, and the price will surely drop by then. So far, we have worked out trades for the benefit of our both, and we would like to keep on doing that. I hope your team will not pass this opportunity. Best of luck in your trades. Regards Zeit, Chief diplomat of the Gathering Storm

I will email them back and let them know that a contact only trade will be fine. But also tell them that the deal will have a no-resell clause which will stop them from selling the contact to any other team. I will tell them that this clause is on every teams deal, so they cannot purchase contact from any other team...thus ensuring the prices will not drop too much

Also, if is true about them getting Philosophy the next turn, then we must lock in any deals outstanding ASAP.

I guess this means Vox

Regs

	16-03-2003 04:05									#41
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Sent email to Zeit... Poly for sale, with a no resell clause to Vox (We have locked in deals with everyone else.)

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Message from Zeit

quote: Hot_Enamel, honorable consul of the Glory of War. I am sorry i was unable to address the issue of tech trade before you went ahead with your turn. Unfortunately, we've already have an arrangement for acquiring Polytheism, so i'm afraid we'll have to reject this offer. How are things faring on Bob? has tension finally decreased? I have not heard much from your continent for some, and hope things are alright. Kind Regards Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

So I guess they got it from ND or Vox ?
Panzer, I assume we didnt get a no-resell clause from Vox.

Just more proof that we have to start treating Vox & GS as 1 team in an alliance.

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There is no no-resell clause with the Vox trade. I agree, we should start treating Vox and GS as one team. Many no-trade clauses are in order.

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Message from Zeit

quote: Greetings from the Gatherig Storm. I have read the log of GhengisFarb and Sir Ralph's short chat, and picked up what seems like frustration on your side. I realize it must by difficult for you to see our refusal, while making those deals with someone else, namely Vox. When I add to that the recent CoL incident, i can see where this frustration is coming from. You have made some effort in negotiating techs with us, while sometimes facing repeated refusals I'm sure that if we are given an adequate opportunity to explain our reasoning, while also sharing our future plans regarding technology research, and hopefuly maintain a cooperative relationship. I do not pretend to know where the winds blow in the Glory of War, but i'll take GF's words as those who represent the general feeling in your team, with regard to the tech dealings with us, especially when said directly to one of our team's officials. Therefor, i suggest we organize a meeting between representatives of both teams, in order to straighten things out, as well as make plans for the future. Please tell me what you think of this, what time suits you, so that it could arranged. Cordially Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

What was said in the chat GF ?

I obviously cant attend any new chat, but you guys are welcome to come up with some times and contact him.

I have not responded to his last email.

I really want to let him know that we suspect that they have an alliance, and that the Vox trade was done without a resell clause intentionally, just to see how close their relationship is with Vox. And also let them know of our frustration that they never came back to us with a counter-offer.

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He asked me when I was going to play my turn in one of our PBEM games and I asked him when GS and their Vox Vassals were going to invade Bob.

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OK - I sent email to Zeit last night basically laying our cards on the table. I will edit this post and paste the actual email later.

But in summary, I told them

We have suspect they are in an alliance with Vox.
This is because of their unwillingness to provide information.
This tech trade just confirmed it for us.

I told him that most of the teams think they are in an alliance...not just GoW.

I told him that tensions grow on Bob and there is most likely going to be a war. I did not tell him who would be fighting who.
I followed this up with explaining our biggest fear is a Vox invasion while we are at war with another Bob nation. (Vox = GS and therefore why we are upset with GS)

I suggested a NAP might ease tensions. It would only "kick into effect" if there was a war on Bob.

And that was the major points.

{edit} -

This is the email I sent

quote: Zeit, My apologies for not responding to your previous email, there has been much discussion on our boards. And I must say, that this email has caught me by surprise. GF had not posted any details of any conversation he had with Sir Ralph. I requested details from him, and he posted a "general" description of the conversation. (Perhaps you can send me your log so I can see exactly what was said, as I am quite sure he does not have a copy) I assume you are concerned about his reference that Vox & GS seem to be tied closer to each other than the GoW assumed. I can tell you that many of our team were not surprised that you found other means to acquire Polytheism. We were wondering how quickly it would fall into your hands after our trade with Vox. The fact that you did not even offer anything for it or even attempt to bargain for the best price between us and Vox simply changed the attitude of "some" of our members from "mildly amused" that you have a ally, to "a little annoyed". Your email below has also mentions the "CoL" incident. I am unsure if you mention it because you maintain some bitterness ? If so, then you should let me know as the GoW accepts full responsibility for the screw up. I thought we had come to an arrangement that you were happy with, and I assume you received payment. If not, let me know and I will ensure it happens. For your information, there has been rumours between all the other teams of your alliance with Vox. Your reluctance to trade, to provide details of your political situation, to swap maps, has only fuelled ours and others suspicion. This Polytheism Trade is yet only another example. Zeit....I have a vested interest in maintaining good relations with your team. I do not wish to have to be the one to handle difficult negotiations between teams who do not see eye to eye. I think a chat would be in good order, however my timezone does not allow it. When I am on-line in the evening, it is very early in the morning in the states....I could not ask you to do it, nor would I expect you to ask me to get up at some ungodly hour to catch up with you. I have posted your request for a meeting on our forum. GF is our team leader, and if you want to clear the air, he would be the best to chat to as he can make appropriate agreements during the chat. I will repost your request again and pressure them to come up with a time. Perhaps you can suggest a time yourself ? PM GF if you want a quick response. I again offer you information on Bob. Tensions between the teams rise, and there is belief that there will be another war. This war will not benefit any of the Bob Nations but it looks like it will occur anyway. Your alliance with Vox is of a greatest concern, as we in particular, are closer to Vox than any other team. Vox are difficult to trade with and we have fondly dubbed them "New Lux" I am sure GF would bring this up, and if we could get assurances that you would not interfere during any war, it would surely ease our fears. Perhaps a Non-Aggression Pact (NAP) in the event of war between any of the three Bob Nations? We would obviously reciprocate and offer a NAP if Vox & GS ever go to war....but we believe this unlikely If anything is posted on our boards, I will let you know. Regards Hot_Enamel of the GoW

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The Message I got back from Zeit

quote: Hot_Enamel, Honorable consul of the Glory of War. So many issues to address, and so little time... I'll start with the timezone issue- i'm from Israel, so i have no preference- Australia and the US are both quite far away. Before we schedule anything, i'd like to state out that we have no alliance with Vox, just a tech arrangement. As for the background of this arrangement, i'd leave that for our chat. Once again, to avoid any misunderstanding- our relations with Vox have nothing to do with any sort of military alliance, or MPP, or such sort of agreement. You said you are having difficulties with Vox- most of the GS members, including myself will wholeheartedly agree, and by now you already know we've had some experience with them, although they havn't been as devious as Lux have, it was quite tiring to deal with them. As for the resentment with which our refusal and secrecy is accepted- i'm sorry about that, but the GS takes this game quite seriously- no one has seen our lands, not even Vox, and we intend to keep it that way for as long as possible. I'm sorry i have been more talkative in the past, but although i am the Chief Diplomat, i act mostly as an ambassador and organizer- messages from our representatives, including mine, are logged, and important ones are being brought before the team before being sent- so you will hardly see any slip-ups one our part- which has its advantages, but also its disadvantages. Regarding the resolved CoL incident: no hard feelings from us, i was just raising it as an element that might lead to some frustration on your part- you have given us proper compensation, and you expect some more trust from our side, which is understandable. As for the happening on Bob- i hope you manage to steer your way out of trouble- GoW is a valuable trading partner for the GS, especially when ND continously ignores our out of game communiques, and RP, with a comfortable position on your continent, which obviously does not make a favorable option for trade. Should you need any help in the form of loan or any other favor- do not hesitate to ask. Our secrecy has surely hurt your trust in us- as lack of understanding brings mistrust, but i'm convinced that by communicating, understanding followed by beneficial cooperation can be reached. I would be very glad if you take part in any chat that is to follow this correspondence, quite frankly, i insist that you would, . I consider our communications as quite well, and would really want to have you there, as a representative of your team's diplomats. GF will surely want to be part of it as well, and i'm sure he will. I'll post times (GMT) on which i'll be available for chat- i'm sure that we can find a time that both you and GF could participate. 20/3, from 18:00 until 21/3 16:00. 22/3, from 08:00 until 23/3 16:00.

1. Why is there so little time ?
2. Just because they say there is no alliance - doesnt mean there isnt one
3. Just because they say they dont get along with ND & RP also doesnt mean its true.

These guys are dangerous.

	20-03-2003 17:59									#48
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OK - I have posted my email I sent to Zeit above.
I enjoy playing good-cop bad-cop.

My team is the bad-cop, and I am their "friend" trying to help them out.

Zeit certainly seems eager to share information with us about their alliance (or lack-of) with Vox.

If any of you can corner them or even arrange a proper chat with him, then I suggest we do it.

I have committed myself to be online tomorrow @1130GMT. I think thats very early for all you US folks. It does fit in with his listed times, so if he contacts me, I will have an informal chat with him.

He is very interested in our border dealings with ND.
I have told him in email, that we DO NOT have a border agreement with ND, but we are both letting each other know where our settlers are going, and it has become a first in first served situation.

That's it.

Regs

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Im regularly online between 1200-1300 GMT, so Ill see if I can't be there as well. zeit is one of the more fun diplomats to talk with IMO.

If I can't make it, express concern that in our rush to settle cities before ND we fear an ND attack, since they were not ready with as many settler's following the Lux war having hoped to capture cities instead, but are prepared to defend if need be.

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quote: Hot_Enamel of the Glory of War I could meet you tommorow around 11:30 GMT, that's not a problem for me. Is there a chance we can do it on 13:00 GMT? so that another GS member could join? If it's impossible for you, than we'll just do it around 11:30, but if possible, i'd rather this be done a bit later. Thanks in advance Zeit

1300GMT is fine with me....(Midnight in Australia)
But I am confused as to the day ?
It may be like now...in about 5 hours time
Or it could be 24 hours away

Regs

	21-03-2003 16:32									#51
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Zeit has confirmed...the chat is on for 1300GMT

thats only 1.5 hours from now

Regs

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The full log can be found here Chat Thread

All in all...we did not get any exciting revelations about GS. But the chat was interesting for maybe these points only.

They definitely wanted to ensure us that they did not have a MPP or NAP with Vox. I tend to believe them, but the best part about this, is that if Vox does do something stupid, we can attack them without having to be worried about GS….(Maybe )
They are not concerned about a mass warrior -> immortal upgrade, which still concerns me that they may know something of Vox’s expansion plans.

They have a tech agreement, and a border agreement, with Vox, which I get the feeling may expire at the beginning of the new age.

They are not going to trade their map - ever - so we might as well forget about asking them for it.

They are interested in offering us a protection pact. They do not want it to go both ways – ie they will help if Vox attacks GoW, but they want us to stay off their continent if Vox attacks GS.

They are willing to be a backup source of iron, but harbors are not a priority, so we would have to “help them out” with the expense.

They seem keen to perhaps align with us in the “next age” with regards to tech

quote: [01:38] Shiber[GS]> of course, GS would be very interested in exchanging notes on research in the next age

	22-03-2003 15:30									#53
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My questions are

Do we persue

1. A protection pact with them ?
2. A tech agreement in the next age ?
3. Iron backup ?

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Mesage from Zeit

quote: Subject: The Voxian landing... Honorable Hot_Enamel of the Glory of War. I hope things have settled since the last time we talked. I have picked up clues that suggest the issue of the Voxian landing was resolved. May i ask how it was resolved? I was hoping the combined diplomatic efforts of the Bobian nations have been fruitful, and that a sensible solution was found. Kind Regards Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

If there are no objections, I intend in responding;

"They have removed their settler to avoid obliteration from the 3 Bob Nations per the Brotherhood of Bob treaty of 1075."

This will make then think twice about invading Bob themselves.

"We have agreed to not settle each others continents."

This will ensure they will not invade Lux themselves which they have threatened to do if we invade or settle their continent.

I will send this to Vox, to ensure they also send the same message to GS. We must keep our stories consistant.

And finally, I want to continue normal diplomatic relations with GS. We want them to remain under the illusion, that we are friends. This will include asking them to expand their comments on

1. A protection pact
2. A tech agreement in the next age
3. Iron backup

We do not, of course, need to agree to anything they offer.

Regs

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Latest Message from Zeit.

quote: Dear Hot_Enamel of the Glory of War. Greetings in the name of the Gathering Storm. Let me congratulate you for finding a peaceful solution to the predicament you've had revolving Vox's intrusion to your continent. We at the GS are relieved that no need need for military action had arisen, as this would have put all that were involved at a disadvantage compared to the rest. I respect your obvious need for secrecy with regard to this agreement you've had with Vox, but wanted to ask you another thing. Some concerns were raised that your ownership on the former Voxian city would lead to imbalance on Bob, and some resentment from ND, that you have made a land grab. Since you have already told me that matters of settling were discussed with ND, and so far there was no cardinal problems. Do you expect such problem to pop up now, that the situation has somewhat changed? Kind Regards Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm.

I have responded with

quote: Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm, Yes, as you have noticed, we have finally come to an agreement with the Voxians. It is a pity they did not heed our first warnings, and not create their city. Our single horseman was not enough to convince them we were serious. But on the next turn when a few more units turned up, as well as a ND swordsman, they quickly came back to the bargaining table. I can not share with you the details of the agreement, however, I can tell you Vox was compensated for their city, and our allies ND & RP were informed. As you have noted, war would of only disadvantaged the participants, so a sensible agreement was reached. Only ND will know if taking the city is upsets ND. As allies, they were also compensated for the Vox incursion. I would also like to discuss with you some of the options we talked about before all this nonsense began. 1. A protection pact that would require GS to move upon Vox if they ever decided to invade our land again....especially if the GoW is drawn into a war within Bob. As I understand it, GS is not interested in seeking GoW help if Vox attacks GS. Therefore this pact would be one-way. 2. We are building harbors, in case we locate any iron on any small island, or get an agreement from a third civ as a back up supply. GS showed interest in being our Iron source backup. 3. GS offered their services as a loan shark ...ie, in the event of war, and we need to do a quick upgrade of horsemen to Riders, GS offered to loan money to the GoW. 4. It was mentioned that you were in a tech alliance/agreement with Vox. I got the feeling that this was ending at the end of the first age ??? Maybe not...but it was mentioned that GS would like to investigate a tech alliance/agreement with GoW during the next age ? All of these things were brought up briefly, in either our correspondence, or during our chats. I would appreciate any additional comments, and if you could consider how each/all would be compensated or agreed to. Many Thanks Zeit, Lets continue to keep the communication lines open. Regards Hot_Enamel of the GoW

I have basically satisfied their question as to how ND will react with us getting an extra city...but did it without really offering up any information.

I have also attempted to continue with our normal correspondence, and have brought up some of the things they offered to help us out with during the Voxian incident. Let them come up with a suggestion...and then we can agree to it or not.

Regs

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remember - we're going to war with GS soon (probably)

Good job keeping normal communication open, H_E

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Yeah, great job by bringing up old issues we know are dead to fool them into a false sense of security.

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I think I surprised them

Message from Zeit

quote: Hot_Enamel, respected consul of the Glory of War. It is good to know the GoW is interested in increasing the bond between our teams. The several ideas that were raised were of course just ideas, and some of them will need plenty of work before they can be agreed upon, if at all. I wouldn't like to thoroughly comment on those before I bring them once more to the team's discussion, as to not create false impression- some of these issues are serious indeed. I will comment on these issues, when i get some more feedback from the board. Respectfully Zeit, Chief Diplomat of the Gathering Storm

And my response ....

quote: Zeit, Not a problem. I too understand that the proposals that were tossed around were only "brainstorming". The fact remains, that tensions are still high on Bob (especially from ND who feels they did not get an appropriate slice of the action from Vox). I am simply returning back to our original discussions, and am fully aware of the necessity to investigate, discuss and negotiate on each and every proposal. Kind Regards Enamel

I will just keep up the communications. At the very least, it will keep them guessing as to what our true intentions are towards them. Friend or Foe ????

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I just realized a discrepancy with what I said to Togas and what was said to GS.

I told Togas that Vox gave us the city in "Good Faith" and HE said that compensation had been arranged. I fear that GS and RP will talk and this discrepancy will come to light. Like I said, I thought that they gave us the city like I said and that no deal was ever signed. They just came to their senses. If it is otherwise, please let GS and RP know that I had misread the deal and was mistaken.

	29-03-2003 20:11									#60
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Technically, the city was given in good faith that an agreement would be reached, so you could argue either way. If they approach us pointing out this discrepancy, we can tell this to them, also saying they could have misread the phrase "in good faith".

Now, if you want to, send a PM to Togas saying you didn't know fully what the deal was, and that a small amount of compensation would be agreed to.