04-02-2003 18:49									#31
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I too concur.

	04-02-2003 19:27									#32
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Oh, when was the last screen shot sent to everyone? I would like to see where we are currently at and I haven't received a screen shot for some time now..

	04-02-2003 19:30									#33
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Just reviewed my files - The last screen shot I received was on 22 January (Game Turn 2270 BC).

	04-02-2003 19:51									#34
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Aye. We could use an updated screenshot.

Btw, concerning the map Jon sent where he selected the city locations. It's too small. We need at least two times more cities to be able to compete beyond the Middle Ages.

	04-02-2003 22:34									#35
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yes, but we need more land to do so

even if we had all of GS, we would only have 24 cities

and we would get too far behind

obviously agression on our part would be required

but I think we should go against Lux

they are closer to our capitol than GS also

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	04-02-2003 23:45									#36
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we think they are closer to our capitol. they may be further north or west.

In any case if the turn comes I'll be playing my scheduled game. But I can play it in 4 hours and take screenshots.

	05-02-2003 01:40									#37
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Thanks Diss.

	05-02-2003 16:58									#38
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Hi - Vondrack posted this in an IntersiteDG thread:

"Just a question... how do we make the game Regent or Monarch? I thought a known bug was forcing PBEM games to Chieftain... or is it just our Poly PtWDG?"

jon - can you in your conversations with others find out. Or - we can do as Diss suggested a run a little test.

	05-02-2003 17:05									#39
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Hmmm - and here was a post from vondrack from another thread. Looks like they have already done the test.

"Just a brief comment on what I noticed earlier in this thread. The Apolyton PtWDG game is NOT on Regent. It's is on Warlord at most, but most probably on Chieftain. I know it for sure, as I have tried leaving three ungarrisoned citizens in our city and they remained content (no happiness boosters present)."

	06-02-2003 00:35									#40
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as I suspected. Because legoland mentioned on irc that they could get up to size 3 with no problems.

	07-02-2003 03:35									#41
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1870bc move played

Contact with Glory of War

Two turns to Myst.

Southern Warrior moved to city. If we determine that the difficulty level is actually chieftain, he can move back to his lookout.

northern worker building mine

southern worker still building road - (you think he would be faster at it by now considering how much practice he has had.

Will try screen shots tonight.

	07-02-2003 08:32									#42
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Screen shots sent. Thanks for the instructions Diss!Worked like a charm. I used the print screen and paint save method. Now - how does Eli get two screen shots into one.....?

Note the GoW warrior on the far coast. On the southern screen shot I have also included the current culture scores. Once the temples are built, and the next cities, we should start to catch up. Particularly if they are all busy building military units.

Speaking of which - we should start debating the city site plan and the order we build them in. We all agree that Elipolis is next on the chokepoint. Then we have some choices. I have also been working on a new city lay out. I will send it to you for discussion and possible polling.

(man, it would be easier if you could post maps and stuff here in the forum. Then again, I don't know how to do that yet either... )

	07-02-2003 09:39									#43
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Thanks for the screen shots Beta!

Yes, having the ability to post the screen shots here would be a God send...but alas, we can't post images on the private forums. (yet)

	08-02-2003 08:53									#44
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1830bc turn played.

Interesting point here is that when I popped the game up, there was the Chairman offering up warrior code. There had been no correspondence on this; tried to PM jon but he went off line. So - it was either a gift - or a trade offer. I split the difference and offered 15 gold.

If it was a gift - they will be happy. If it was a trade offer - we can go higher. Say 5 now and 1 per turn, or something like that. Or even go 25 now, and sell it to GS for 10 gold. Still a deal.

But - wait till Lux finds out. Guess I can just say no to their last offer.

Not much else happening. We will soon find out about the difficulty and disorder thing as our warrior won't make it to the Capitol in time for the growth to size 3. by all accounts we are safe.

Southern worker finishes the jungle road next turn and will move to the wheat square. The road will not connect it to the capitol as Elipolis is not in yet, so we should mine the square first as that will improve shield production - and give us some idea of the corruption level down there. I suspect we may lose the second shield produced, but we have to do it some time.

And we finish Mysticism next turn. Any thoughts as to what we research next. Stick on this path and do Polytheism next? Might be a good one to trade with. Let Gs do the writing and map making path?

Let us know soon. 1 turn to go. Maybe you should discuss with GS jon.

	08-02-2003 13:08									#45
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We should contact GS again about what to research. I would like to strengthen our research pact with them.

They wanted our help in heading towards the Republic. Esp. in regards to code of laws and philosophy.

And I prefer to get Warrior Code from Lux btw. We should complete the "deal"

After that we can refuse any deal that doesn't benefit us.

	10-02-2003 03:52									#46
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Wow - this was wild and woolly in terms of trading.

Here's is what happend. GoW had actually put WC on the table last turn - and I somewhat 'unknowingly' accepted. We did not have WC last turn. They had yet to accept the deal, so I thought we were going to talk more. Well they accepted on their turn, so we have it.

Unaware of that little event, jon and I have a chat about strategy, then go into a chat with Trip and BFM of Lux, where we garee to complete the Myst for WC deal.

The save had arrived, so I go to play - and we already have WC. Go back and talk to Trip - discuss the issue - he agrees to 20 gold plus cancellation of the 1gpt remaining on the last deal - 4 turns remaining - 4 gold. At this point - I thought it was worth the good will. Besides, RP is also shopping mysticism around.

This turn, GoW gifted us Horseback Riding, which we now have as well. I sent Mysticim the other way. Now Ghengis also wants contact with GS. This we need to discuss with GS.

So we have WC and HB Riding, and 24 gold for Mysticism. I also gifted WC and Mysticism to GS. It wouldn't let me do it for HB Riding - presumably since we just got it.

Now - we also have RP (Spain) showing up as contact - I'm really not sure how we got that - I presume that GoW gave it to us - but I have not seen it on any of the trade screens - and I actually didnt think we could do that until WE too had writing. They put Mysticism on the trading table. I sent it back to them unaccepted.

Regarding research - we need to talk to GS - I put it on hold for one turn. Nets us 10 gold. Hey - the treasury gets a little boost of 34 gold over these two turns.

Mathematics was 20 turns at 90%, and Polytheism was 29 turns.

Souther worker moved to wheat tile to begin mining next turn.

Warrior in the north is one move away from the capitol whci will grow next turn - will be interesting to see what happens with disorder.

See F/A in a bit for the communications I think we need after this little flurry of activity. And I thought my birthday was exciting.

	10-02-2003 12:28									#47
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lots to ponder. There are so many trades floating around I don't know what to decide.

	11-02-2003 00:34									#48
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Yes - I know what you mean. That is why I may have missed us getting warrior code the turn before. This deal with GoW is complicated - and the last part - contact with GS, hinges on what they (GS) say. Oh well - we got the techs we wanted - just not sure how this is all going to turn out.

And I certainly hope GS appreciates what a good partner we are!!! Jon - I will leave it up to you to make this point to them, OK. My letter to them (FA thread) simply lays out the facts, with a small bit of PR. The real heavy-duty PR I will leave up to you.

	12-02-2003 07:57									#49
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turn already played.

worker started building a road. the other worker building another mine.

Not sure what you wanted to do with the floating warrior in S. estonia

as suspected we can get up to size 3 with no problems. The warrior up north has nothing useful to do.

Lux did offer up 24 gold for mysticism. And then we had to offer up communications with roleplay and glory of war.

	12-02-2003 20:47									#50
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I think we can give contact

Jon Miller

	13-02-2003 03:02									#51
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I concur

	13-02-2003 04:31									#52
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yes contact is given.

GhengisFarb is gettin' on me for lack of diplomatic contact.

Unfortunately many on our team work, and get busy. I have a lot going on right now. I did send a PM back to him explaining our lack of contact. We did send communicae with GS on our last turn. So that should shut them up . Like I said, I'm not the best person for diplomatic relations.

	13-02-2003 04:49									#53
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But your style is effective!!!

(I find Ghengis really pushy about things.)

	13-02-2003 05:02									#54
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yes he does seem pushy

	13-02-2003 07:18									#55
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Playing the save.

	13-02-2003 08:55									#56
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1725bc turn played.

Both nothern cities produce temples next turn - and should go to settler production. Looks like the build order will work out nicely.

Not so for Dissidentville - it has 3 turns to producing a worker - and 10 turns to grow. It just moved to size two. I say stick with the worker. We will need him to clear jungle.

I started moving the wheat warrior back to his lookout, when I realized he is the only one there. The choekpoint warrior started back down.

Now the trades. Passed on the GS contact to RP.

However, for GoW, resent the trade, putting in Myst and 15 gold. We owed them the 15 gold from the earlier deals, but I wanted to seal the deal for math as well by tying the two deals together. If GoW really wants contact with GS - and they will now that RP has it - they will send the deal back. I will write the appropriate kissy-kissy letter to Ghengis.

Now - while playing I also got a pm from Trip and we chatted for abit. I was trying to nail down another deal for GS contact. They do not have writing, so we cannot deal with them for this. He said they will have math in a few turns and said he would like to trade. I said - hmmm. He wanted to know about our deals with Gow and RP. I said we were talking, but it was mostly Diss and Jon so I wasn't sure what was up. They want preferred trading status (whatever the h*** that means). I said I would do my best . I also said we would consider a cash deal for contact with GS. I want to trade it to them before RP or GoW does.

Trip also said they were having a diffciult time with Neu D. ???

That's it. And oh yes - the treasury is growing. we are all going to get big bonuses and stock options next year.

	14-02-2003 01:13									#57
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sounds good.

and yes Lux and Nee Demo are still going at it.

A question is where in the world is legoland? They are doing good in points. They must have hit a hut with a settler.

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I suspect they are on an island to themselves - farther west. And yes - a settler - or some great food producing sites, without any external pressure from other civs.

	14-02-2003 23:15									#59
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still being isolated isn't all that great. They have had no tech trading. Usually it takes longer to build up when you are isolated like that. Until you can build a good number of cities.

	15-02-2003 05:04									#60
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You're right about the tech trading part. Imagine where we would be without it.

But then, I bet Legoland has a similar contact with the next continent as we do - over a straight of land. Probably with RP or Neu D.