04-03-2003 21:39									#301
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

This is a game with which I am not familiar.

We have a treasury of 123g, an income of 158g @ 70%tax and are building:
11 Marketplaces
A Temple
A Library
A Bank
and a solitary camel
If we reduce the tax rate to a more reasonable 20% - 8 of the cities currently building MPs cannot afford to keep them! (3 gold needed to break even and 4 to make a profit)
We are 'researching' Astronomy at 30+ turns - the Greeks have it already and then some??

OK - I readily admit that Democracy is not my favoured government, but surely this cannot be right ?

Somebody needs a looong period of re-education at The Institute - perhaps it is I, but I don't think so....

SG[1] for once sober, but totally bewildered!

	04-03-2003 22:15									#302
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

30 turns!!

I see the leadership of our once proud nation has been overindulging in late nights, cheap booze and cheaper women.

Whoever is next, your people must be your priority.

	05-03-2003 04:50									#303
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits This is a game with which I am not familiar. We have a treasury of 123g, an income of 158g @ 70%tax and are building: 11 Marketplaces A Temple A Library A Bank and a solitary camel If we reduce the tax rate to a more reasonable 20% - 8 of the cities currently building MPs cannot afford to keep them! (3 gold needed to break even and 4 to make a profit) We are 'researching' Astronomy at 30+ turns - the Greeks have it already and then some?? OK - I readily admit that Democracy is not my favoured government, but surely this cannot be right ? Somebody needs a looong period of re-education at The Institute - perhaps it is I, but I don't think so.... SG[1] for once sober, but totally bewildered!

quote: Originally posted by SCG With 20% lux, i was able to get all size 3 cities to celebrate, most to 5. with Marketplaces, those cities can celebrate to 7, and with trade routes, we can start looking to aquaducts.

8 turns is not enough turn to around a struggling democracy. One of the main powers of the democracy is the city growth. To do that we need temples for contentment, and marketplaces for celebrations. would you rather have a bunch of size 3 cities that aren't growing? Also notice that i did build a number of caravans that are intended to be used in trading to allow further growth (rushed them as the gold became available). With the state that i picked up the game, science was bad and getting worse. With larger cites brings more trade (ergo more science) and the ability to carry 2 gold worth of maintenance, not to mention larger caravan and freight bonuses. Once we have something resembling an infrastructure, we can quickly build more caravans as well as other units and actually use the trading power of the democracy.

	05-03-2003 20:30									#304
	Another Peaceful Rodentian Reign Suffering from ads?

SCG - here is your chance for rebuttal and robust constructive criticism

Seriously Tricky Game

1020 = Change to largely caravan and diplomat production; Peace with Aztecs; Sell Temple in Magic Kingdom, buy Bank;


1040 = Temple in Thunder Mountain; Bank in Magic Kingdom; much tickling and rushing;
1060 = Greeks start Sun Tzu; Astronomy -> Sanitation (a hard choice, both Steam Engine & Monotheism are available);
1080 = Harbour in Eurodisney; Greek catapult at the gates of Carribean pirate blown away - Greeks activate alliance with Aztecs - war;
1100 = MarketPlace in Donald Duck; Who killed the Lighthouse? Caravels moving 3 is painful!
1120 = Marco Polo's Embassy built in Magic Kingdom - no-one likes us - lots of tech out there; Striving for Sanitation;
1140 = Musk in Caribean Pirate becomes vet seeing off Greek ellie; Walls in Caribean Pirate; Library in Tomorrowland; Wine, Matterhorn-Magic Kingdom, 18g; Salt, Tiki City-Magic Kingdom, 22g; Salt, Tomorowland-Magic Kingdom, 33g; The Institute founded;
1160 = Sanitation -> Steam Engine; Salt, Neverneverland-Pharsalos, 46g; Bridge Building stolen from Pharsalos; Copper(d), Orlando-Atzcapotzalco, 92g; Beads, Space Mountain-Atzcapotzalco, 52g; Hides, Fantasia-Atzcapotzalco, 44g;
1180 = Sanitation System built in Magic Kingdom(13 and growing); Colosseum in Anaheim; Silver, EuroDisney-Pharsalos, 50g;

Well - I have played my eight turns in this unHoly form of government, perhaps neither wisely nor well - The Institute awaits the de(r/c)ision of my peers ...

Good luck SG[1]

Attachment: mi_a1180.zip
This has been downloaded 8 time(s).

	06-03-2003 09:28									#305
	Tired of ads?

quote: 960: someone discovers Magnetism, cancels our Lighthouse

Seems SCG didn't catch who crippled our fleet, but given the late date should we be surprised?

	06-03-2003 12:47									#306
	Put an end to popups!

I think I may be up , can someone please confirm before I start playing .

	06-03-2003 13:06									#307
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Order of Play

Second Round

Obiwan18 - 8 Turns
La Fayette - 8 Turns
SCG - 8 Turns
SG[1] - 8 Turns
STYOM - 8 Turns
SG(2) - 8 Turns
Hydey - 8 Turns
DrSpike - 8 Turns
Straybow - 8 Turns
-Jrabbit - 8 Turns

---------------------------

SG[1]

	06-03-2003 13:08									#308
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Hydey - I think you are confusing your SGs - just a little more patience ...

SG[1]

	06-03-2003 15:34									#309
	Suffering from ads?

ok

	06-03-2003 17:52									#310
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

"This is a game with which I am not familiar."

Yeah, a small Democracy is always weak. We'll get there.

	07-03-2003 07:21									#311
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: originally posted by SG [1] SCG - here is your chance for rebuttal and robust constructive criticism

Got blindsided by RL this week (might even have a new GF ), so only half way through a responce to [1]'s post. Since I see he built a library in a non-SSC in the nothin' fancy game (marks it on his calendar ), don't think i'll post the whole thing.

Some of the highlights were that i left 11 active caravans and a nearly full science box, and 3 celebrating cities - one of which if i hadn't rushed the temple my last turn would probably still only be size 3, instead of size 5 and using 2 scientists. also, i left over 100 gold that could be used for deficit researching, which also allowed for discoveries.

I also wanted to point out that this is after all a conquest game, not an AC game, so we are going to need a lot of decent size cities (most likely obtained by celebrating) if we are going to a) conquer by military, or b) conquer by subversion. Caravans don't get built quickly if they don't either have production or gold to build them. And small cities don't bring the same trade bonuses of large ones.

And for my part, I probably could have started something better than a bank in Magic Kingdom, and I always forget to sell the superfluous improvements until i realize i need the extra gold that turn (temple in the shakes city in this case)

Anyway, on with the game

	07-03-2003 13:01									#312
	Increase Your PM Length

Although it is sometimes unavoidable - I dislike committing the production of a city to the develpment of white goods. My style is to make the money and then rush the white goods in two turns - one set of shields and than buy - after all they are the cheapest shields out there at only 2g/shield - shields invested elsewhere in units or Wonders are worth far more. This basic strategy has served me well - but, of course, each to their own.

There was no offense intended, and I am glad to see that none was taken, so as you say,

"Anyway, on with the game "

SG[1]

	08-03-2003 08:29									#313
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Straybow quote: 960: someone discovers Magnetism, cancels our Lighthouse Seems SCG didn't catch who crippled our fleet, but given the late date should we be surprised?

it didn't say who it was, but by deduction it had to be either the french, aztecs or chinese. all three went after we did, and we didn't have embassies with any of them. The game did anounce that China had started adam smiths, so it couldn't have been anyone after that. Looking at [1]'s save, it couldn't have been the french, because they still didn't have it at that point. If [1] has the save from 1120, perhaps we could narrow it down exactly between the Aztecs and the Chinese?

	08-03-2003 10:50									#314
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

As STYOM is away until 12 March I have the game and will post a save later today.

------------------------

SG(2)

	08-03-2003 16:26									#315
	Increase Your PM Length

Usually when Admiral Puke follows the Rodent his first job is to arrange and count the bodies. When the Colosseum reaches overflow, Palace Square is often commandeered. On one occasion the Great Wall was used.

Puke's nostrils twitched as his Flagship dropped anchor. "Don't smell much rotting flesh today"
Instead he found a fledgling but flourishing democracy. His analysis of the situation went as follows:

With Magic Kingdom celebrating we have the makings of an empire. In two turns Steam Engine will be discovered. However, MPE reveals many white techs. We are way behind in science. With this in mind - when the advance allowing Ironclads is discovered, we will let the AI be our scientists! The Treasury needs a boost so the emphasis will be on tax. It takes no time to build a diplomat but many turns to reach a new discovery. If we slow our advance rate ... so will the other civs.
We are at war on a waterworld - Magellan's Expedition would add a little adrenaline to our Navy. Thinking further ahead JSB seems crucial for democratic conflicts.

1200 - Naval movements spotted south of SpaceMountain. Perhaps the enemy is nearer than we think!

1220 - Steam Engine -> Monotheism
Aztecs land near Tomorrowland (nearly renamed Yesterdayland) and kill caravan The attack is just repulsed.

1240 - Romans complete KRC - Indians change to MC.
Diplomat comes across Aztec terrorist base on the continent south of Tomorrowland.
Tzintzuntzen bribed for 291 (5 plundered) but Magnetism taken.

1260 - Silver to Magic Kingdom 45g

1280 - Diplomat stumbles across the secret of Feudalism in Mycenae Market

1300 - Athens completes Sun Tzu's War Academy. Indians develop Steam Engine but start working on Chivalry instead of Railroad

1320 - Romans land near Thunder Mountain. Their ellie bounces off the musk, who then kills a catapult. The Institute builds Temple.

1340 - Indians have nearly completed Mike's, The Romans nearly have SoL.
Magellan's Expedition in Magic Kingdom.
Bribe Aztec Musketeer who becomes a NON. The Senate supports continued action against the Aztecs. (Is Mr. Rodent the majority leader?)
Gems to MK = 58g. Garrisons in and around the capital strengthened.

Magic Kingdom = 21 and is still celebrating.
Population = 5.27m
Treasury = 485g.

--------------------------------

SG(2)

Attachment: mi_a1340.zip
This has been downloaded 13 time(s).

	08-03-2003 17:50									#316
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Just checked out the save........it's looking better now. It seems our civilisation have thrown off its barbarian roots to attain some real promise.

	09-03-2003 00:43									#317
	Inflate your Upload Space

By some strange coincidence - we both got 3 techs, 1 city and a WoW in 8 turns...

SG[1]

	10-03-2003 19:06									#318
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

The lagomorph returns...

	10-03-2003 19:10									#319
	Remove this text

This is dragging.......whose turn is it?

	10-03-2003 19:45									#320
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I believe Hydey is up

SG[1]

	11-03-2003 19:23									#321
	Got spare money?

The lagomorph departs.

Hopefully, I'll be in a "civilized" hotel where I can lurk to see Hydey's contribution.

Return date is Sunday 16 March. Obviously, if by some miracle my turn comes up in the interim, just skip ahead and I'll rejoin the rotation once I'm back.
Have fun, all.

	12-03-2003 12:55									#322
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by SCG Got blindsided by RL this week (might even have a new GF )

Been nice knowing you buddy.

Civ, GF… choices, choices

	12-03-2003 16:01									#323
	Support Apolyton

Order of Play

Second Round

Obiwan18 - 8 Turns
La Fayette - 8 Turns
SCG - 8 Turns
SG[1] - 8 Turns
STYOM - 8 Turns
SG(2) - 8 Turns
Hydey - 8 Turns
DrSpike - 8 Turns
Straybow - 8 Turns
-Jrabbit - 8 Turns

---------------------------

SG[1]

Last edited by Scouse Gits on 17-03-2003 at 16:30

	13-03-2003 02:00									#324
	Support Apolyton

yes yes , tonight

	13-03-2003 02:10									#325
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Excellent, that'll work out well for me to play this weekend.

	13-03-2003 04:11									#326
	I'm back! Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Glad to see all the heavy lifting was done in my absence

I wholly concur with the Magellan-Ironclad strategy

	13-03-2003 16:36									#327
	Tired of ads?

A tired and cranky Hydey is in the House
1340 Indians build mikes chapel in Karachi
Romans build statue of liberty in Rome

1360 Find aztec city of tlaxcala (size 12), aztecs land a cannon near fantasia, Greeks demand 700 gold we remain at war

1380 Horsie in caribean pirate kills ellephant of greek looks, Aztec frigate attacks Fantasia killing warrior and camel leaving city empty

1400 Diplos trained in space mountain and Tommorrowland bribe aztec cannon and frigate near fantasia, Horse from Disney China kills greek elephant
Greeks become democracy

1420 Caribean pirate trains diplo, find aztec city of malinco and its people revolt for 79 gold, we get mettalurgy and 2 gold in return, Aztecs ask to talk and I pretend to not hear them but senate signs ceasefire behind my back.
Horse from carribean pirate kills another greek elephant

1440 Fantasia builds dye van, disneychina builds beads van

1460 tiki city builds coal van, horse from carribean pirate kills another bloody greek elephant
French become a monarchy

1480 Magic kingdom now size 26 but needs more food to grow bigger, population now 6,720,000
Romans become fundimentalist

1500 Hydey stops before he falls asleep at the PC

Good night guys

Attachment: mi_a1500.sav
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

	13-03-2003 16:38									#328
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

zipped for the rabbitoes

Attachment: mi_a1500.zip
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	13-03-2003 16:49									#329
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Sounds good Hydeyman

SG[1]

	14-03-2003 00:11									#330
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

No Mikes?



Perhaps we should send a secret investigation to inquire as to the specifics of said wonder.


Why let the AI waste Michaelangelo's expertise?