27-02-2003 01:24									#241
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Democracy by 380 AD?

That's not too bad.

Pretty soon we can



Edit: forgot which Sxn game for a moment. Almost asked for a Fundy gov't.

	27-02-2003 09:49									#242
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I mentioned earlier that my predecessor had sent a Settler up to a 3-special (+hidden 4th) site North of DisneyChina. Note that I changed the spurious Bab city names. Even I am not that lazy!

I made the Set improve the site and was going to mine the hidden special but decided not to commit the Set to that task.

Note also, there is a hidden special immediately NE of NNLand and another immediately NW of DisneyChina.

	27-02-2003 19:45									#243
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Found time to get started last night, but unfortunately was unable to finish due to family matters. Here's a brief preview for the masses.

--We did in fact make a successful switch to Democracy in 380 AD!
--Parleyed with Romans, who declared war. Killed their cat, but they landed an ele that leveled a now-forgotten city.

quote: Originally posted by Straybow I mentioned earlier that my predecessor had sent a Settler up to a 3-special (+hidden 4th) site North of DisneyChina. (...edit...) ] I made the Set improve the site and was going to mine the hidden special but decided not to commit the Set to that task.

--I chose to start a city with that settler. We can mine the special later...

quote: Note also, there is a hidden special immediately NE of NNLand and another immediately NW of DisneyChina.

Thanks for posting -- hadn't noticed. Also failed to notice a couple sleeping camels in Donald Duck.

Much celebration happening, and we get Mysti next turn, so we should be able to continue that trend at a lower Lux setting.

Also amused myself by building a canal...

Sorry I fell asleep... Will finish and post tonight, so our young Jedi knight should gird his loins.

Q -- As we go to Round 2 of the rotation, how many turns?

	27-02-2003 19:54									#244
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8 or 10 turns seems about right.

	27-02-2003 19:58									#245
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Order of Play

Second Round

Obiwan18 - 8 Turns
La Fayette - 8 Turns
SCG - 8 Turns
SG[1] - 8 Turns
STYOM - 8 Turns
SG(2) - 8 Turns
Hydey - 8 Turns
DrSpike - 8 Turns
Straybow - 8 Turns
-Jrabbit - Finishing 12 Turns of First Round

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SG(2)

	28-02-2003 01:15									#246
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quote: our young Jedi knight should gird his loins.

Much obliged JRabbit, although I prefer the older obiwan, not the new young one. That character suits me better.

	28-02-2003 02:04									#247
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Then the old jedi knight should gird his loins.

	28-02-2003 05:02									#248
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[sad star wars joke] Hehe when Jrabbit finishes the circle will be complete. [/sad star wars joke]

	28-02-2003 09:18									#249
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Can never remember which version works for you guys, so I'll upload 2...

Attachment: mi540ad.zip
This has been downloaded 6 time(s).

	28-02-2003 09:20									#250
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The .zip above should be right, but here's one with .sav extension...
(+1)

Attachment: mi540ad.sav
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

	28-02-2003 09:43									#251
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Well, yesterday's session seemed to go really well and i was all enthused.
Today... not so much. (sigh)

320AD -- The mighty Rabbit takes the seat of power. Notes Greek city in SE section of pharsalos Island. Notes lovely 2-whale island to the north. Jiggers a few production orders. We parley with the Romans, they declare war. Our horsie takes out their encroaching cata, makes vet. Romans activate their Greek alliance. At war with them now, too. Buy temple in Tomorrowland before it grows.

340AD -- Roman elephant spotted between Orlando and Frontierland. Send 2 horses to Orlando, one to Frontierland. tax slider to 60%.

360AD -- Ele sacks Frontierland, leaving an embarrassed horse, who kills the 'phant. Anaheim founded north of Disney China. Temples rushed in eurodisney, Disney China. REVOLUTION!!! (Press NEXT to die...)

380AD -- Donald duck complete temple. Democracy chosen. sliders to 70 Lux, 20 Tax, 10 Sci. Greeks go for peace. They request Engineering --but why would they need that when they're researching Gunpowder? romans demand Democracy, don't get it. We get WAR. Seven cities primed to celebrate. current pop = 810,000 (6th).

400AD -- Indians start leo's Workshop. tickling, ready to grow.

420AD -- Population now 1.15 MM (still 6th). Mickey founded. wandering gold van finds hut, worth 50GP.

440AD -- Two celebrations halted -- need those temples! Mouse founded, thus completing the Mickey Mouse canal. EuroDis wine to Steamboat willy, 77GP. workers shuffled. Pop = 1.45 MM (5th).

460 Ad -- hides from Steamboat Willy to DisneyChina net 60GP. Much shuffling of workers. now have 6 temples, 4 more in progress. Pop = 1.71 MM (3rd).

480AD -- Mysticism is ours. Choices include Mathematics, monarchy, Philosophy, Polytheism, Seafaring, Warrior code. We need harbors, explorers. So Seafaring nest. try dropping to 50% Lux, science up to 30 (7 turns).

500AD -- Greek trireme seen wandering near Anaheim. Celebrations end. move sliders to 40-40 w/20% tax.

520AD -- wandering camel finds another hut with NOMADS inside. Heads to 4-special spot to start anti-Greek outpost. camel heads toward missing Greek city SE. Greeks parley, declare WAR!

540AD -- The end of Rabbit's reign. Greeks switch to Monarchy. toynbee sez were the 2nd largest civ. Greeks are mediocre, romans pathetic. greeks get Gunpowder from Romans -- disney china reaches size 3, celebrates. Trireme heads north with settler to found new city.

Much to do. Need cashflow to build a few key temples. we're WAY behind in tech. But we have the power of Democracy and a spotless reputation to see us through!!

Obiwan is next...

	28-02-2003 15:06									#252
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Good turns bunnyman

Now the fun begins ...

SG[1]

	28-02-2003 19:23									#253
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Thanks, [1].

I wasn't particularly happy with all the outcomes. but at least we made it safely in Democracy, built the Lighthouse, and built up the pop. a bit (2 size 8s).

One weird thing was tech selection. choosing between Math and Nav was a tough choice. Very weird to sudenly realize that Monarchy is a worthless dead-end tech!

Probably should have kept working settlers instead of building cities. But I couldn't resist building the Mickey Mouse Canal!

Poor management of happiness in the home city of our lone trireme. I foolishly let it build a camel -- should have sacrificed the shields and switched to temple.

We have a couple camels lying around with nowhere profitable to go. It is hoped that the Lighthouse will change that, and boost exploration as well. Looks like Pharsalos could be a repeating Hides destination, with our capital as a source.

There are also a lot of techs available for trading/stealing, and since both Greeks and Romans want war, we might consider a diplomatic mission or two.

BTW, has the Institute decided on the appropriate punishment for besmirching our spotless reputation?

	28-02-2003 19:27									#254
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quote: Greeks go for peace. They request Engineering --but why would they need that when they're researching Gunpowder?

Maybe I was sleepy, but I swear this happened. If Engineering is a prereq for Gunpowder, how could the Greeks be researching Gunpowder at the same time they're demanding Engineering during diplomatic talks?

(Easiest explanation is the -Jrabbit just doesn't know the tech tree very well. Can anyone set me right here?)

	28-02-2003 19:28									#255
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit There are also a lot of techs available for trading/stealing, and since both Greeks and Romans want war, we might consider a diplomatic mission or two.

Is this why you didn't accede to their tech demands?

	28-02-2003 20:22									#256
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit BTW, has the Institute decided on the appropriate punishment for besmirching our spotless reputation?

I would propose a compulsory reload and try again - I, for one, save every turn in a Succession Game

SG[1]

	01-03-2003 01:25									#257
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They request Engineering --but why would they need that when they're researching Gunpowder?


You are right about the Tech tree-

Gunpowder requires Iron Working and Invention.

Invention requires Engineering and Literacy.

One explanation for the inexplicable demand for Engineering is that they received Invention as a techgift, activating Gunpowder but not Engineering.

As for a compulsory reload, from what point do we need to re-start? Who plays, me or Jrabbit?


Just don't break ceasefires. Keep your word. How hard can that be?

	01-03-2003 01:53									#258
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not having access to the game at work, am i reading that someone dropped the reputation from spotless?

quote: originally posted at the start of the game Reputation must remain Spotless throughout

if that happens, to me that is the same as getting a 2nd city in OCC from a hut - something that is outside the bounds of the game - we stop and reload from the most recent save where we haven't gone out of bounds.

	01-03-2003 02:11									#259
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quote: Originally posted by SCG not having access to the game at work, am i reading that someone dropped the reputation from spotless?

Nonono.

Our Spotless rep is intact. I was just asking how such an eventuality might be handled.

	01-03-2003 02:16									#260
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 They request Engineering --but why would they need that when they're researching Gunpowder? You are right about the Tech tree- Gunpowder requires Iron Working and Invention. Invention requires Engineering and Literacy. One explanation for the inexplicable demand for Engineering is that they received Invention as a techgift, activating Gunpowder but not Engineering.

But I thought that if one got an advanced tech (say by trading or theft), the result was that further advances on that limb of the tree are not offered until the player has backfilled the missing techs.

Or is this another AI cheat technique?

	01-03-2003 04:40									#261
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As far as I know the selections are not consciously geared to making the player backfill the tech tree. If all the techs that used it as a preq have been gained it will be offered just as the various dead-end techs are offered.

I think that some of my OCCs I've managed to stave off an early required tech. But usually you wind up with the choice between some dead end you don't want and the bypassed tech. You might as well choose the bypassed one.

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quote: Our Spotless rep is intact. I was just asking how such an eventuality might be handled.

You could have said that in the first place.

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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit But I thought that if one got an advanced tech (say by trading or theft), the result was that further advances on that limb of the tree are not offered until the player has backfilled the missing techs. Or is this another AI cheat technique?

_Jrabbit,

Human players can do this as well. It's part of the established practice in, for instance, Early Landing Games. If you can trade with the AI for Engineering--even if you don't have Horse or the Wheel- then you too may be offered Invention as your next research, assuming you have Literacy. Skipping uneeded tech keeps the beaker cost down.

Later, you will have to go back for Horse, unless the AI obliges by learning Chivalry for you. It is possible to reach AC without having to acquire Wheel, although, I expect that would be rather rere.

Monk

	01-03-2003 05:47									#264
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Nope -Jrabbit you have this wrong - once you have a tech there is no need to backfill - thank the Lord...

The very drunken SGs on Friday

	01-03-2003 07:02									#265
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oops!

*high tails it out of the Magic Kingdom and hides under space mountain, disguised as a janitor*

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	01-03-2003 07:05									#266
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*smears himself in axle grease to aid in the disguise*

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	01-03-2003 07:20									#267
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SCG Have you posted a save file in the wrong thread ?

Arkwright etc. belong in the Luddite game ...

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	01-03-2003 07:25									#268
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I think you're right SG, since it isn't his turn.

	02-03-2003 02:28									#269
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Thx all for correcting my misperception. Good to know.
I continue to learn much, and have much to learn...

Ou est obiwan?

(signed)

	02-03-2003 02:47									#270
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JRabbit:

Je n'ai est(?) pas la, parce que j'ai un nomination avec mon surveillant que je t'elle vais travailler apres je finis universite.

afk on Friday, I had a big meeting with my boss when I finish University this year.

Looks like I got the job.

I play today.


(edit, rusty french, don't want to insult La Fayette)
Not sure for passive voice, "I was not here"

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