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Published Sunday, October 1, 2000, in the Miami Herald

NASA's future wedded to costly, aging shuttle
With the 100th flight of the space shuttle program set for Thursday, NASA concedes the latest project to build a replacement is behind schedule and over budget.

BY MARTIN MERZER


The nation's only vehicle capable of carrying humans into space relies on 1970s technology, cannot vault them out of Earth orbit and is plagued by staff shortages, mechanical problems and the icy memory of a winter day when seven astronauts died.

The 100th flight of the space shuttle program is set to blast off Thursday from the Kennedy Space Center, and NASA now concedes it must rely on the shuttle until at least 2012. The latest project to build a replacement is behind schedule and over budget and may never fly.

The prolonged dependence on the dated and troubled shuttle could slow efforts to build the International Space Station by 2006 and otherwise explore space, experts said. But engineers and explorers have no choice.

They must use the shuttle ''until it blows up or wears out,'' said John Pike, who monitors NASA for the Federation of American Scientists. ''And it's perfectly capable of blowing up every time they launch it.''

It's a harsh assessment, but one that is widely accepted. The shuttle is the most complex machine ever designed. A study released last month by the General Accounting Office found that each of NASA's four shuttles requires 1.2 million maintenance operations before every flight.

''Space systems are inherently risky because of the technology involved and the complexity of their activities,'' said the report, which noted with alarm that cost-cutting has left the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with an exhausted, demoralized workforce.

In addition, public support for space exploration seems thin. A Gallup poll last December found that only 56 percent of Americans support robotic missions to Mars, a necessary step before human missions. Forty percent did not want to spend more money on such missions.


WHAT AILS NASA

That concerns Kurt Volker of Dania Beach. During the 1960s, he worked at Cape Canaveral as an electronics technician on the Apollo moon landing project.

''I don't think NASA necessarily lacks the vision to put the spark back into the space program,'' he said. ''What they lack is the same level of support in Washington for human space exploration that there was during the days of Gemini and Apollo. The attitude today seems to be 'been there, done that.' ''

Still, it's the only space show around, so Volker and his wife plan to drive to the Kennedy Space Center this week to watch the 100th launch.


NEXT MISSION

Seven astronauts aboard the shuttle Discovery are scheduled to blast off at 9:38 p.m. Thursday on another mission to build the space station.

The 11-day flight will be extremely demanding, with most work occurring outside the shuttle.

Two pairs of astronauts will conduct four spacewalks. They must attach a heavy girder, connect a new shuttle docking port and install toolboxes and power converters.

The crew has been training for this mission for 3 1/2 years, nearly twice as long as most crews.

''If there was ever a mission worth waiting for, this is it,'' said Pamela Melroy, the shuttle's rookie pilot.

Scientists say the space station will allow them to work in microgravity, which can speed progress on the development of new medicines and materials.


MOVING INTO STATION

If all goes well, this week's mission will open the door for the new station's first permanent residents.

Astronaut Bill Shepherd and two Russian cosmonauts are set to blast off from Russia on Oct. 30 and live in the station for four months.

Even the shuttle's critics agree with supporters that the vehicle is well suited for this kind of work. It is a spacefaring ferry that carries cargo and astronauts into Earth's orbit.

Still, the shuttle has failed to come close to its promoters' grandest promises.

When the program was proposed in the 1970s, NASA said it was capable of launching 60 shuttles a year.

Since the inaugural flight of Columbia on April 12, 1981, the agency has never broken into double digits in any year.

Last year, it managed only three launches.

In addition, the cost of flying the shuttle is enormous -- roughly $500 million per flight, which breaks down to about $10,000 per pound of cargo carried into space.

''It's been a profound disappointment as far as what was promised,'' Pike said. ''But also, knock on wood, it's been a reliable -- if expensive -- way of getting into space.''

Reliability is a relative concept, and many question just how reliable the shuttle is.


VIVID MEMORY

It may not be fair, but the most profound memory that many people carry of the shuttle involves the Challenger accident of Jan. 28, 1986. All seven astronauts aboard Challenger were killed, including teacher Christa McAuliffe, NASA's first -- and last -- ''citizen in space.''

The tragedy resulted in a 32-month hiatus in the shuttle program, and the fleet has been grounded many times since by mechanical problems.

Now, NASA calculates the risk of catastrophe at one in 438 missions; others think it is much higher, possibly as high as one for every 78 launches.

The shuttles were built to withstand 100 flights, and the oldest shuttles -- Columbia and Discovery -- have flown 26 and 27 times, respectively.

''We're only a quarter of the way through their rated life span,'' said Bruce Buckingham, a NASA spokesman. ''It's a significant achievement that we can continue to fly a vehicle developed 25 years ago.''


REPLACEMENT SOUGHT

Conceding that the shuttle is becoming technologically obsolete, NASA has spent $1 billion on a modern, higher-tech replacement -- the triangular, flat-bottom VentureStar.

It is supposed to leap into space on a single-stage reuseable rocket, without the disposable external fuel tanks or recoverable external rockets that are part of the shuttle.

Supporters also hope it will be more reliable than the shuttle and cheaper to operate, liberating funds for more weather satellites and other projects that might win public support.


OBSTACLES REMAIN

The only problem with VentureStar is that it doesn't seem to work.

A half-size prototype, the X-33, was supposed to fly 18 months ago.

So far, no joy. The test vehicle still is only half built. Among other things, its lightweight, hydrogen fuel tanks have a tendency to rupture, a definite disadvantage.

A new attempt to build fuel tanks will be started, NASA announced Friday, and the X-33 has no chance of being tested in flight until at least 2003.

Many believe VentureStar will never get off the ground. In response, NASA now wants $4.5 billion during the next five years to look at other possible replacements for the shuttle.

At the same time, acknowledging that it is stuck with the shuttle until at least 2012, NASA is embarking on a $2.2 billion modernization program.

Inspectors from the General Accounting Office generally approve, but they raise several concerns.


STAFFING SLICED

One of the most serious involved staffing. NASA's budget was sliced during much of the 1990s, falling from $14.4 billion in 1995 to $13.6 billion this year. In response, the agency fired hundreds of skilled engineers and other workers.

Widely criticized for the cutbacks, NASA recently began hiring again. But it remains woefully understaffed at a time of increased flight schedules.

As for the more distant future, most observers do not detect public support for -- or an ability within NASA to promote -- ambitious new programs of human spaceflight to the moon, Mars or beyond.

So, for as long into the future as anyone can predict, the shuttle is the only hope.

Said Pike: ''If the Lord had meant us to fly in space, we would have been born with more money.''

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I suggest you are the one acting like a baby. Look at your posts, especially, the last one. Talk about acting like an infant...
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Excuse me? I'm not the one is trying to make this tragedy into a Jew v. Arab thread. That's being an infant.

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Big C - It's tragic because it's not "just" a glorified airplane. It's tragic because it's a symbol. It's a symbol of our ability to leave the planet of our birth and strike out into the unknown vastness of space.

That symbol is gone.

You can't compare that to a traffic fatality.

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would think dying in a space shuttle more tragic then a drunk driver crash.


You seriously telling me that the value of a life is measured by the way that life was taken?

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cutting risks in half by 2005 , ........ Tired of ads?

pdf , it reads "cutting risks by 2005 , .........

today theThe 21st Century Space Shuttle
Future Upgrades

Tomorrow’s Shuttle: Cutting Risks in Half by 2005


Enhancements now under development could double the shuttle's safety by 2005: New sensors and computer power in the main engines will "see" trouble coming a split second before it can do harm, allowing a safe engine shut down. A new engine nozzle will eliminate the need for hundreds of welds and potential leaks. Electric generators for the shuttle's hydraulics will replace the highly volatile rocket fuel that now powers the system. And a next-generation "smart cockpit" will reduce the pilot's workload in an emergency, allowing the crew to better focus on critical tasks. Other improvements will make steering systems for the solid rockets more reliable, make the manufacturing of solid propellant safer and increase the strength of external fuel tank welds.

Solid Rockets and External Tank Upgrades

Future improvements for the solid rocket boosters include a redesign of several valves, filters and seals in the steering system to enhance their reliability as well as studies of the potential for an electrical system to power the booster hydraulics. Also, changes to the solid rocket propellant manufacturing process will make the workplace safer for shuttle technicians. For the external tank, a new friction-stir welding technique will produce stronger and more durable welds throughout the tank.

Better Main Engines

The space shuttle's main engines operate at greater extremes of temperature and pressure than any other machine. Since 1981, three overhauls to the original design have more than tripled estimates of their safety. Now, a fourth major overhaul is planned that will make them even safer by 2005. The planned improvements include a high-tech optical and vibration sensor system and computing power in the engines that will "see" trouble coming a fraction of a second before it can do harm. Called the Advanced Health Monitoring System, the sensors will detect and track an almost microscopic flaw in an engine's performance in a split second, allowing the engine to be safely shut down before the situation can grow out of control. Also, the engine's main combustion chamber will be enlarged to reduce the pressures on internal components without reducing the thrust, and a new, simplified engine nozzle design will eliminate the need for hundreds of welds — over 152.4 meters (500 feet) of them — and potential leaks.

"Smart Cockpit"

The new "glass cockpit" that will be initiated when Atlantis launches on STS-101 sets the stage for the next cockpit improvement, planned to fly by 2005: a “smart cockpit” that reduces the pilots’ workload during critical periods. The enhanced displays won't fly the shuttle, but they will do much of the deductive reasoning required for a pilot to respond to a problem. By simplifying the pilots' job, this “smart cockpit” will allow astronauts to better focus on critical tasks in an emergency.
y lost the second one , three are left , .......

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You don't know the level of my graphical talent.

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So that is why you guys are being taxed like .70 cents to every dollar to make.

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you can get all the way you to gaza. why does every single issue have to end in a arabs v. jews debate and has to prove that palestinians are a crazy bloodsucking terrorist bunch. of course there are going to be some idiots who are going to celebrate.

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But why are the celebrators usually Palestenians, and why are those Jew deaths usually celebrated?

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So that is why you guys are being taxed like .70 cents to every dollar to make.


Ain't that the truth...

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You seriously telling me that the value of a life is measured by the way that life was taken?


It certainly is more news worthy when the accident occurs in a multibillion dollar piece of machinary instead of an old Rover SD1.

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I give up.

I'll be back later tonight my usual time, I'm not going to waste my time here.

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Name: Rick D. Husband

Position: Commander

History: Husband, 45, makes his second trip into space. The U.S. Air Force colonel and mechanical engineer piloted a shuttle flight in 1999, which included the first docking with the international space station.

Name: William C. McCool

Position: Pilot

History: The 40-year-old former test pilot makes his first foray into space. The U.S. Navy commander and Naval Academy graduate is responsible for maneuvering the shuttle as part of several experiments.

Name: Michael P. Anderson

Position: Payload Commander

History: Anderson, 42, went into orbit once before, a 1998 shuttle flight that docked with the Russian space station Mir. The U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel and physicist is responsible for the shuttle science mission.

Name: David M. Brown

Position: Mission Specialist

History: The U.S. Navy captain makes his first flight into space. Brown, 46, an aviator and flight surgeon, is working on many experiments, including numerous biological ones.

Name: Kalpana Chawla

Position: Mission Specialist

History: Born in India in 1961, Chawla earned an aerospace engineering doctorate from the University of Colorado in Boulder. Chawla, who has logged more than 375 hours in space, was the prime robotic arm operator on a shuttle flight in 1997.

Name: Laurel Clark

Position: Mission Specialist

History: Clark, 41, a U.S. Navy commander and flight surgeon, is making her first flight into space. A medical school graduate of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, Clark is taking part in a variety of biological experiments.

Name: Ilan Ramon

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History: Ramon, 47, is the first Israeli astronaut. A colonel and former fighter pilot in the Israeli Air Force, he saw combat experience in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and the Lebanon War in 1982.

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It certainly is more news worthy when the accident occurs in a multibillion dollar piece of machinary instead of an old Rover SD1.


I don't deny that, and it has no relevence to my point.

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" The possibility of a catastrophic (Challenger-esque) failure of a space shuttle is about one in 125. That is a lot better than it used to be, but still a long way from a sure bet.


Holy ****! Those are not good odds!!

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and the first israeli astronaut was on board...

That isn't good from several directions- hopefully no jack@sses say that it's the "will of god" that an israeli doesn't go far in space

Horrid

We heard the explosion here when it happened.
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But why are the celebrators usually Palestenians, and why are those Jew deaths usually celebrated?


because different people have a different way of expressing their idiocy. some palestinians will dance around when a israeli cosmonaut dies. some israelis will more or less openly gloat when the bombs start raining on iraq. arab street just looks very revolting...the instict of schadenfreude is very strong everywhere and expressed in different ways

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One of the astronauts was from Racine. A couple thousand people crowding the streets to mourn. Too cold for me.

Tis a sad day for us and Israel


Hey Big C, take your BS trolling elsewhere.

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But why are the celebrators usually Palestenians, and why are those Jew deaths usually celebrated?


Because you kill their children, women and people on a weekly basis and there's nothing they can do about it.

So when one of "you" dies along with those who support you the most (US made F-16s fly over the occupied territories shooting missiles for example) some celebrate.

Any more questions?
Really.

Let's not forget who the victims are, in both sides.

Making Palestinians who die by you, sound deranged and bloodthirsty doesnt cut it.

If Iraqis was the one who killed Palestinians they would celebrate whenever Iraqis died.

Which brings us also to the point of symbolism with what regards Iraq where an estimated 500.000 of "their" people will be killed by US bombs and diseases.


Does anyone really wonder why some celebrate?
Those who do are from another planet.
Those who are angry are utterly clueless and forget who the helpless victims are.
Unfortunately not the only victims, but the most.

This is about a shuttle loss when Iraq is prepared to be attacked and the full blown on CNN "first Israeli into space" was playing every second.

No matter the irony involved in all this, some would like to consider it just an accident on the exploration in space.

Your comments about some Palestinians celebrating, which is logical that they do, only enforces the above mentioned irony.

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OK, LaRusso, I'll remember this. Let's see how much celebration there is in Israel when Iraq gets attacked.

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GOD bless em.

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Given how the Republicans tend to feel about NASA, it is just as likely they use this incident to cut funding further. Rather than saying, "Maybe we need to give them the money to carry out their job," they'll say, "Why should we waste our money on incompetent gubmint bureaucrats?"

chegitz- democrats feel the same way... about all sciences... remember the superconducting supercolider.

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the americans have a way ; an F-15 with a special missile for use against sattelites and other high altitude "objects" , .....

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Assuming this were true, how in the world would OBL get ahold of such capability?

While it is too soon to tell, the most likely cause of the breakup has to be the wing damage.

I wonder if they inspected it during the mission?

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Paiktis, that's an old an incorrect argument. Israel and Palestine are at war, and casualties happen, but Israel has NEVER targeted civilians, while children are the most common targt of Palestenian attacks.

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What are you talking about docfeelgood?
Are you trolling?
Angry at the explosion?
Or happy at it?

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Hey Big C, take your BS trolling elsewhere.


Its a serious point. Tell me why the death of 7 astronauts is a bigger tragedy in terms of human life than 7 fatalities in a traffic smash up.

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Does this mean that they will remove all personnel from ISS ?
Using Russian rockets wont' help. One of those exploded too some time ago.

My condolences to the family of the crew.

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You really should study the history before you call Jews killers!

 
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