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Boris, I didnt start it but an answer had to be given. Hopefully it is now finished. Decency is presenting the other side as well and not err shallow everything that's been given to you.
Cheers
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Mar 2000
time: 23:25
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Israelis, in Shock, Pray for Their First Astronaut
Sat February 1, 2003 11:19 AM ET
By Michele Gershberg
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israelis watched in shock on Saturday as their country's first astronaut was feared lost when the space shuttle Columbia apparently broke-up over Texas just minutes before landing.
Israeli Air Force Col. Ilan Ramon was part of Columbia's science mission, which took off on January 16, bringing a rare sense of celebration and pride to Israelis mired in more than two years of conflict with the Palestinians.
Israeli television networks had cued in to the anticipated shuttle landing on Saturday at 9:16 a.m. EST, but ended up breaking live reports from the United States that the NASA space agency lost contact with the shuttle and feared it crashed in Texas.
"The government and people of Israel are praying together with the peoples of the world for the safety of the astronauts on the shuttle Columbia," Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office said in a statement.
Israeli government officials said they were awaiting word of the fate of the Columbia crew before making any other comment.
Ramon, 48, served as a fighter pilot in the Israeli air force, first as a cadet during the 1973 Middle East war.
The son of a Holocaust survivor, his career included participating in the bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 which Israel said was intended to develop nuclear weapons.
But it was a mission of peace which sealed Ramon's image as a true Israeli hero: by being the country's first citizen to head out to space, entrusted with several scientific projects on dust storms and a palm-sized Torah scroll kept safe by a Jewish boy in a German concentration camp during World War II.
Family members and friends of the Ramon family had gathered together to watch his return, but instead tried to comfort each other through the uncertainty of his fate.
"We are all sitting and hoping to hear something new," family friend Modi Keren told Army Radio. "This looks very bad. I very much hope we will hear different, because at this time things look awful."
Many other Israelis stopped in their tracks during the Jewish Sabbath at the news. One group which had gathered to play tennis in Tel Aviv on their day off crowded around television monitors and expressed sheer disbelief.
"It is very sad. I am in shock," said Hezi Yitzhaki. "It was a celebration for the country and it is ending so tragically. An entire country was so proud of him. We are already in such a bad state."
They might have taken comfort in words Ramon himself had to reporters on the eve of his flight, repeated for broadcast on Saturday by Israeli Channel One Television.
"The route to the target is more important than the target," Ramon said. "We are going to go for the target, but we enjoy the route as well."
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:25
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Originally posted by DanS
panag: The VentureStar has been killed since '00. The new engine wasn't working as hoped, among other things.
Its a serious point. Tell me why the death of 7 astronauts is a bigger tragedy in terms of human life than 7 fatalities in a traffic smash up.
Big Crunch: Yes, in terms of human life. Your point is a good one, since overstressing a tragedy like this makes the program run in fits and starts. 1/60 chance of death in human space flight has to be an accepted risk by all sides.
Even then, though, this is not totally in terms of human life. As said above, the shuttle has always been a symbol. |
they never gave it a good chance , it was worth it , but the usaf was not intrested in re-opening moses lake , and they did extensive work to NOT let the project go on ,....... 
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Bereta_Eder
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What usually causes such an accident?
Wrong entry angle in the atmosphaire?
Or maybe some mechanical malfunction?
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:25
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Because you kill their children, women and people on a weekly basis and there's nothing they can do about it.
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So if the brother of a killer dies you celebrate it? That's a nice expression of humanity. Nice people these palestinians :P
Not to mention that this is YOUR point of view, which I won't argue about because this thread is about the Columbia crash.
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It is not my point of view, but an explanation of reality to those not able to grasp it. Also to some Pals all are one and vice versa. Not to mention he was a fighter pilot.
Nice resolution of yours that you won't argue it. Stick to it.
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Apr 1999
time: 05:25
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Big C....was gonna answer your question, but it seems that others have done a fine job of doing that already, so I'll just hit some of their previously mentioned points.
The tragedy here, has something to do with the loss of human life, that's true. But as you say, compared to the loss of life on the streets of any major city, it's a drop in the bucket (that's a rather callous way of looking at it, but it is, apparently, your view, so we'll go with it).
But that's not what lies at the center of the tragedy.
At the center of the tragedy is the loss of an important symbol.
Somebody mentioned the death of JFK, and that's an apt comparison. You could say...."well yeah, but it was just one guy....$hit happens."
And technically, that is correct, but if that one guy happens to be the embodiment of an important symbol, then it IS tragic. Moreso than the "average" parade of daily tragedies we read about in the local paper.
It's simply larger than that, because of the importance of the symbol, having nothing to do about placing more value on certain human lives, and everything to do with the importance of the symbol.
Get it?
-=Vel=-
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