01-02-2003 21:09									#151
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I pray NASA gets more funding. The technology on all 4 (well 3 now) shuttles is from the 1980's. Most of us dont have cars that old.

	01-02-2003 21:09									#152
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...Remember, there has been some research done that cellphone and other microwave-like emissions may mess up the instruments on a shuttle

but I doubt that it was anything but technical error- since at that height nothing should have effected it. (and cellphones even have a hard time effectin airplanes)

	01-02-2003 21:09									#153
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Because you kill their children, women and people on a weekly basis and there's nothing they can do about it. So when one of "you" dies along with those who support you the most (US made F-16s fly over the occupied territories shooting missiles for example) some celebrate. Any more questions? Really. Let's not forget who the victims are, in both sides. Making Palestinians who die by you, sound deranged and bloodthirsty doesnt cut it. If Iraqis was the one who killed Palestinians they would celebrate whenever Iraqis died. Which brings us also to the point of symbolism with what regards Iraq where an estimated 500.000 of "their" people will be killed by US bombs and diseases. Does anyone really wonder why some celebrate? Those who do are from another planet. Those who are angry are utterly clueless and forget who the helpless victims are. Unfortunately not the only victims, but the most. This is about a shuttle loss when Iraq is prepared to be attacked and the full blown on CNN "first Israeli into space" was playing every second. No matter the irony involved in all this, some would like to consider it just an accident on the exploration in space. Your comments about some Palestinians celebrating, which is logical that they do, only enforces the above mentioned irony.

hi ,

hey man , take an airplane flight , its right around the corner from you , come and see for your self , ....


and how the heck does this thread get ones again in an ME thread , this is about columbia , not the ME , ....

so stay on topic , ....

	01-02-2003 21:10									#154
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no disrespect.


"The star that shines the brightest shines the shortest life"

	01-02-2003 21:10									#155
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If seven of my family members died in an accident, I would still call this the greater tradgedy.

Why?

The impact on nearly every American for one. The loss of all that training, and in some cases, the history. The loss of most, if not all the work they just gave their lives for. The loss to the space program, which must suffer, and thereby cause a loss of the furthering of knowledge for us all. This is bigger than the seven lives lost.

Much bigger.

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How old was the Columbia anyhow?

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"Its a serious point. Tell me why the death of 7 astronauts is a bigger tragedy in terms of human life than 7 fatalities in a traffic smash up"

And I cant really tell you why. Its just the way things are. So why do you ask?

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quote: Originally posted by panag (...)and how the heck does this thread get ones again in an ME thread , this is about columbia , not the ME , .... so stay on topic , ....

Bravo!

	01-02-2003 21:12									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba How old was the Columbia anyhow?

22.

	01-02-2003 21:12									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba How old was the Columbia anyhow?

22 years, according to the reports

	01-02-2003 21:13									#161
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I hate to spoil a really good threadjacking, but I've been surfing the news webpages & I can find no stories of any celebrations in Gaza City or elsewhere.

& BTW, those people who wish the debate any Israeli-Palestinian aspect to this tragedy may wish to start their own thread. Thank you.

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quote: Using Russian rockets wont' help. One of those exploded too some time ago

they have a soyuz, I believe, about to launch.

And they probably will get the people out... hopefully the ISS won't be scrapped like the last american one

	01-02-2003 21:13									#163
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I feel bad for Israeli's. FYI this was there first space flight ever.

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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba How old was the Columbia anyhow?

hi ,

it took several years to complete it , but officially it was ready in 1981 , but remember that some parts where all ready five years old then , ....

	01-02-2003 21:14									#165
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The shuttle began breaking up at 200,000 feet, which nixes any possibility of some sort of external attack on it.

And can you yokels stop the stupid ME bickering? The behavior in this thread is revolting.

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"hopefully the ISS won't be scrapped like the last american one "

Skylab ? I think.

That wasnt meant to be a permanent Space Station.

	01-02-2003 21:15									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler I hate to spoil a really good threadjacking, but I've been surfing the news webpages & I can find no stories of any celebrations in Gaza City or elsewhere.(..)

I guess the person who said that was guessing...

	01-02-2003 21:16									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood BTW Now you young pups know how we felt when the Challenger blew up. GOD bless em.

I watched it live when it happened.

	01-02-2003 21:16									#169
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quote: agree its a sad event, but its no worse a tragedy (in terms of human life) than a major traffic accident with several fatalities. What makes it so much worse as a tragedy?

Do you think the assassination of, say, JFK was no more a tragedy than any other death?

Some people become symbols - symbols of hope, of discovery, of peace, of heroism or of whatever. They are people who have earned that respect. Their deaths do become more widley mourned and, sometimes, become national tragedies.

The deaths today are not just seven random people who died. They were seven explorers, symbolising discovery and one of mankinds greatest scientific achievements. Their loss diminishes everyone of us who yearn to explore the universe, to seek out what there is to discover, to make scientific achievements that will better mankind. Their deaths are a tragedy to all mankind, particularily if governments are dissuaded from continuing their pursuits of exploring space.

Today, Israel lost one of it's heros. The US lost six of it's heros. And mankind has suffered a tragic setback on the road to the future.

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More civilian Palestinians have died than civilian Israelis since the intifada begun.

panag, you have also heard the other side of the truth (your side) from me, so you know I'm not completely ignorant on the subject.
But when someone says "hey the Pals are celebratins" and then a bunch of people say "ewwww how grose" and keep doing it, it maybe needs an answer. Just as if Hamas would say they "fight for liberation of their people" would need an appropriate answer too.

BTW I'll go to Israel this summer if all goes well since I have promised my Grandmother to take her to the Holy Grounds.

	01-02-2003 21:18									#171
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quote: And damnit! Why do we still use 22 years old shuttles?! Who cancelled the X-38?

People don't care about space since the Russians quit their half of the space race. The moon was the thing... now no one cares- they think we should spend all our money on welfare and on improving earth (yeah right) (no one ever solves the poverty problem) and anyways the poor people can usually claw their way out if money is being spent on JOBS- and not welfare/etc.!!!!! As long at the poor people care... which many don';t... and as long as money isn't wasted on rehabilitating drug-addicts- who can't be rehabilitated anyway- just kill them and be done with it.

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quote: Originally posted by Flandrien Does this mean that they will remove all personnel from ISS ?(

IIRC they need at least 3 people aboard for maintenance, so no.

	01-02-2003 21:18									#173
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Wow paiktas. Call somebody who cares. Umm cause I dont think any of us do.


So stop threadjacking

	01-02-2003 21:18									#174
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quote: Originally posted by 123john321 I guess the person who said that was guessing...

hi ,

we only have to go outside , with binoculars and look at the village across the hill's , ......

its called first base eyewitness account

and keep this related to the spaceshuttle

	01-02-2003 21:19									#175
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I feel bad for Israeli's. FYI this was there first space flight ever.

Actually, they've launched 4(?) satellites. This was, however, the first flight of an Israeli Astronaut.

	01-02-2003 21:19									#176
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yes, please, just shut up about the middle east- go to another thread! :grr:

	01-02-2003 21:20									#177
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Anybody from Texas? I've got some family there and would like to know if they've been told something else than not touching the fallen pieces...
I'm really sad with the news

	01-02-2003 21:20									#178
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DarkCloud, are you on drugs or something? That was one of the most bizarrely irrelevant posts I've seen.

And paiktis, could you please refrain from trolling in a thread about a tragedy? You should try to have at least some decency.

	01-02-2003 21:20									#179
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panag: The VentureStar has been killed since '00. The new engine wasn't working as hoped, among other things.

Its a serious point. Tell me why the death of 7 astronauts is a bigger tragedy in terms of human life than 7 fatalities in a traffic smash up.

Big Crunch: Yes, in terms of human life. Your point is a good one, since overstressing a tragedy like this makes the program run in fits and starts. 1/60 chance of death in human space flight has to be an accepted risk by all sides.

Even then, though, this is not totally in terms of human life. As said above, the shuttle has always been a symbol.

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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , we only have to go outside , with binoculars and look at the village across the hill's , ...... its called first base eyewitness account and keep this related to the spaceshuttle

Sorry, sorry, sorry