07-03-2003 16:09									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius That's true, but not all settlers will go to Karina, or through Karina. Those that will go to Zargonia or other eastern cities will lose precious turns. Other than that, we need those roads not only to speed up settler deployment, but troops deployment too, should that be necessary. While for settlers a 2 turns delay is just that, a delay, for troops it could mean losing a city. I'm not saying it is a must now nor do I have a problem building the road on the mountain. I was just merely pointing out that we will need that Legopolis-Red Bricks road sooner or later (the sooner the better), like it or not.

I agree 100%. But this is actually exactly the reason for preferring road builds on easy terrain over roading jungle - and it does not really matter whether the resulting road leads to Karina, Zargonia Bay or elsewhere. It will always speed the movement of our units (both combat and non-combat) up more, if we road the easy terrain first, difficult terrain last.

Btw, the "mountain route" from Legopolis to Red Bricks never slows units down - wherever you go, be it west or east coast, you are either as fast as with the "jungle route" or faster.

Looking at our city placement map, I agree, however, that if we decide to found Zargonia Bay after Karina & Forkmouth, it would probably be best to build the road SE-SE-SE from where Conan & Rover currently are (down to the tile SW of the mountain), but then continue E-E to build a road to Zargonia Bay first, getting back to finishing the road to Karina only afterwards - that would speed up our Zargonia Bay Settler from Legopolis as much as possible, while not affecting Karina in any way (the current combo will get ahead of the workers earlier anyway).

	08-03-2003 22:23									#92
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Plans for 1325BC:

1) Angus S, then SE, then S, attacking the camp
2) Galleyleo Galleylei E-E-NE
3) Mighty Merc + Settler SE, then SE-S
4) Rover & Jimbo to road, Conan to guard them
5) Marky Merc to sentry
6) Legopolis to start building a Settler

	09-03-2003 01:02									#93
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1. OK, even though I fail to see in what way is that better than S, S (opening the goodyhut), then SE, attacking the camp?

2. You want the contact now, without delay?

3. , 4. , 5. , 6. OK

7. I'd rather change the production of Forkmouth to a worker. It is building it in 10 turns, exactly in time to grow to size 2. With a worker developing it, Forkmouth would be more valuable (and it could build the road to Sharpeheaven).
There is one more thing. What is really MercG doing there? The workers have cover, the settler for Karina has cover; the new settler for Zargonia won't be alone, either; MercG is idling. I'd move him in Forkmouth and build in FM a galley instead of a mil. unit , after the worker.

	09-03-2003 04:12									#94
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Plans for 1325BC:

1) Angus S, then SE, then S, attacking the camp
I would just go for the hut - agree with Tiberius S-S-SE

2) Galleyleo Galleylei E-E-NE
Agreed

3) Mighty Merc + Settler SE, then SE-S
Agreed

4) Rover & Jimbo to road, Conan to guard them
Agreed

5) Marky Merc to sentry
Agreed

6) Legopolis to start building a Settler
Agreed

7) Change Forkmouth production to Worker

New 8) Move Farmerville production from Wheat to mined grassland for the next turn (we don't need the food and would get one extra shield)

	09-03-2003 06:32									#95
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Plans for 1300BC:

1) Angus SE, then S, attacking the camp
My reason to avoid the hut for now is that there is a lot of tech trading ahead of us. We are likely to acquire several techs, especially "cheaper" ones. Bypassing the hut and popping it only after trading for the missing techs, we will make it possible to get a really valuable tech from there (if our awesome luck holds). We are not going to lose a single turn, if we go round the hut...

2) Galleyleo Galleylei N-N-E
As indicated before, I prefer following the northern coast of Bob, passing GoW by (making contact, of course), heading for Estonia (GS/Vox continent). BTW, Zargon - make sure GoW knows we crossed the ocean and tell them they might be able to spot our galley, if they move a unit onto that hill. Also, tell them we were right - what they can see from their mainland is actually a small island mid-way between the two landmasses. It may prompt them to reconsider finishing that galley... I know the chances are slim, but let's try it.

3) Mighty Merc + Settler SE-S, then SE-SE, SE

4) Rover, Jimbo, & Conan SE, then road
Good news is that if we tell Rover & Jimbo to road on the next turn BEFORE moving the Legopolis Settler with his escort, we will save yet another turn, since the road will be there instantly!

5) Jason to road
Jason's last assignment in the Jackson area.

6) new Red Brick Worker (name?) to road

7) switch Panama to Galley
Well, this one is tough. Panama will undoubtedly take upon a wonder very soon... thus, I would not suggest to build any improvements like Barracks (as they would be effectively useless, with Panama on a wonder build). However, our first galley will be sailing around the world for quite some time and we will need another galley to take care of the naval transport between Mystery Isle, Legos Minor, & Legos Major. Considering that our chances of catching up tech-wise seem to be very good, I suggest we build one more galley now, even if it means delaying the wonder completion by as many as 3 turns. (yes, that is a change to O2E)

8) keep Forkmouth building a Warrior
Tibi, the principal problem with a Worker first is that Forkmouth generates only 1 shield/turn at pop 2 (with a fully developed riverbank bonus grassland). As there is one more almost fully developed tile (game forest, 2-2-0) there, we do not actually need to improve another tile for 10 more turns. If we build a military unit first, we will bring Forkmouth to pop 3 and 2 shields per turn. That will allow us to build a worker in 5 turns then. This way, it is 10+5=15 turns. With a worker first, it would be 10+10=20 turns. As we do not really need any more improvements in the Forkmouth inner ring THAT soon, I suggest we build a military unit first (possibly even an archer).

MercG is there basically waiting for the next Legopolis Settler. I intend to send him unescorted (most of the journey will be along a road at that time, with troops close enough all the time), using "his" Merc for MP duties in Jackson.

	09-03-2003 07:32									#96
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Suggestions for 1300 bc:

1) Angus SE, then S, attacking the camp
Not sure, personally I think we should pop the hut next turn

2) Galleyleo Galleylei N-N-E
No I don't agree at all - sorry - we don't need to go north yet - we don't know how far east GS and Vox are and besides it is very likely they will get our contact from one of the Bob civs.

We need to go south to outline the coast of Bob facing us as well as keeping Galleyleo relatively near us in case of trouble. As for the 2nd proposed galley , he should do the western route that was originally planned for Galleyleo - we can't do that if Galleyleo is far off to the east...

3) Mighty Merc + Settler SE-S, then SE-SE, SE
Agreed

4) Rover, Jimbo, & Conan SE, then road
Agreed

5) Jason to road
Agreed

6) new Red Brick Worker (name?) to road
Agreed - how about Charlie?

7) switch Panama to Galley
Agreed - but not for reason you suggest - we do need to map out the western coast of Lego and this galley would be better suited to do so- have Galleyleo do the shipping and exploring on the east coast.

8) keep Forkmouth building a Warrior
Agreed - we do need to access that game forest as soon as possible (hope we get one more shield from it) -so no worker yet.

9) Switch Farmerville's and Legopolis's production back to optimum food levels again.

Good idea Radek re: the prebuilding the road to Karina so that the settler can get there quicker.

	09-03-2003 07:48									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe 2) Galleyleo Galleylei N-N-E No I don't agree at all - sorry - we don't need to go north yet - we don't know how far east GS and Vox are and besides it is very likely they will get our contact from one of the Bob civs. We need to go south to outline the coast of Bob facing us as well as keeping Galleyleo relatively near us in case of trouble. As for the 2nd proposed galley , he should do the western route that was originally planned for Galleyleo - we can't do that if Galleyleo is far off to the east...

I agree, a southward path is best. We can contact all the teams in one sweep this way, should several civs hold off on buying our contact.

	09-03-2003 11:02									#98
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quote: GhengisFarb, I am bypassing your ambassador because this message is of an urgent nature: our first Lego exploratory galley has arrived on your shores. We have spotted your borders and will be moving closer shortly. You may be able to see the ship already, but we are not sure. We look forward to being able to deal closely with you soon. ZargonX

Ok, that was the quick message I fired off to GoW. Let's see what develops!

	09-03-2003 15:00									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe 2) Galleyleo Galleylei N-N-E No I don't agree at all - sorry - we don't need to go north yet - we don't know how far east GS and Vox are and besides it is very likely they will get our contact from one of the Bob civs.

Sharpe, Kloreep - have a look at the most recent merged minimap first, please. We know very well where GS and Voxes (especially Voxes) are. There is about 20 tiles between our galley and the narrow strait between Bob and Estonia. That's about 7-8 turns, during which we will get a contact with GoW and ND (as ND is now where Luxes used to be). OTOH, if we take the southern route, it will take us this long to get to the RP crossing point only (getting a contact with ND along the way, I think) and then at least 7-10 more turns to get to the Estonia continent.

Taking the southern route is utterly wasteful. Those relatively few turns needed to get to Voxes will help speed up trades with our contact - as GoW will know we are going to make contacts anyway very soon.

quote: Originally posted by Sharpe We need to go south to outline the coast of Bob facing us as well as keeping Galleyleo relatively near us in case of trouble.

In case of what kind of troubles? I can think of no trouble a galley several (3-4) turns away from our mainland could solve... especially when we have very little military force down in the south... and I can see no pressing need to outline the coast of Bob either - RPers are not naval and do not plan going naval any time soon (and even if they decided to go naval, we know where they would come from), neither is ND, and GoW will came via the route we have taken. So what kind of important information we might reveal at the western coast of Bob?

quote: Originally posted by Sharpe As for the 2nd proposed galley , he should do the western route that was originally planned for Galleyleo - we can't do that if Galleyleo is far off to the east...

Well, I kinda agree - after getting Angus from Legos Minor to Mystery Island, hopefully popping the hut there just in time, it might be okay to send our second galley westwards. But for the moment, G.G. is and for the foreseeable future will remain unable to take care of transporting units between Legos Minor, Legos Major, and Mystery Island - it is primary and most important assignment is to secure our contacts.

One more thing regarding the exploration route G.G. should take... if GoW (and later RPers, if they acquire our contact) know we are heading full speed towards Estonia, able to get there in less than 10 turns, they will be more likely to trade our contact around than if we stick to the western coast of Bob. If we do choose the southern route, the Bobians may very well want to keep our contact to themselves for some time, knowing we cannot get Vox/GS contact ourselves for quite some time.

I am sure that contacting Estonians shall be VERY high on our priority list. Based on information redstar1 received from DeepO (GS), Estonians are more and more concerned about the growing strength of Bobians (namely RPers and ND). They are apparently ready to offer us extremely advantageous prices on techs we are missing just to prevent Bobians (any of them) from getting money from us (money they could use for war). By contacting Voxes and GS, we shall be able to push the prices down a lot.

Also, Bobians (GoW, in this case) will be well aware of this and may trade our contact around extremely fast, in order to get at least something for it, before we make our own contacts they would not profit from. I would suggest that the very moment we get Vox/GS contacts, we turn G.G. back and head for home. We do not have any urgent need for geographical intelligence on Bob and Estonia, so galleys will do us better service around Legos...

And yet one more reason to sail northwards - we want to know whether GoW really sends a galley out or not. With us contacting them on our own terms, they may eventually decide to build something else than a galley. If we can see no galley passing G.G. by in the opposite direction, we will know GoW scrapped galley for something else. I would certainly not mind finding that out - it would make us less pressed with the exploration of the Mystery Island.

Briefly put: I can see no advantages in going along the western coast of Bob, while I can see several quite important DISadvantages in doing so.

	09-03-2003 18:52									#100
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quote: Sharpe, Kloreep - have a look at the most recent merged minimap first, please. We know very well where GS and Voxes (especially Voxes) are. There is about 20 tiles between our galley and the narrow strait between Bob and Estonia. That's about 7-8 turns

Of course we know where GS and Voxes are by the minimap Radek, but that only gives us info on how far "by the crow flies" - we don't know the outline of the northern coast of Bob - it may have bays and peninsulas that may add several turns to any journey east especially since we don't know the terrain there.

There is also the risk that GoW may keep our contact to themselves. Our heading east would then mean no contact with ND and no contact with RP. If RP found out that we had avoided contacting them when we had the chance too - that may drive them into an alliance against ND - perhaps even an alliance against us.

There are growing signs of an alliance between ND and RP. That would give great concern not only to GoW and the Estonian civs - that should give us grave concerns.

A possible compromise is to head south until we have contacts with ND and RP and then decide then whether to head back north or continue south (besides GS is much further south than Vox and GS should be our goal to ally with more than Vox).

	09-03-2003 18:57									#101
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Forget everything about the galley routes, things have changed significantly. I am going to start a new thread about a possible deal with GoW that would allow us to head back home.

	10-03-2003 18:09									#102
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OK, the recent deal with GoW changes things a bit, so I am submitting a revised plan for 1300BC now:

1) Angus SE, then S, attacking the camp
More than before I am convinced that we should wait until we get all those missing techs from GoW (should take no more than two turns). The delay is negligible and possible gains well worth it.

2) Galleyleo Galleylei S-S-SW
The fact that we got at least RPers contact means we can head back for the Mystery Island, giving Angus a lift from Legos Minor to Mystery Island without the need to build another galley. More contacts will follow, that I am sure of - exploring anywhere further would be utterly wasteful, not mentioning the fact that we might easily piss another team off if having to pass through their territorial waters..

3) Mighty Merc + Settler SE-S, then SE-SE, SE

4) Rover, Jimbo, & Conan SE, then road
Good news is that if we tell Rover & Jimbo to road on the next turn BEFORE moving the Legopolis Settler with his escort, we will save yet another turn, since the road will be there instantly!

5) Jason to road
Jason's last assignment in the Jackson area.

6) new Red Brick Worker (Charlie?) to road

7) switch Panama to Barracks
Catching up tech-wise so easily, we do no longer need to build The Great Library. O2E is officially dead - our top priority now shall be finishing The Pyramids in Jackson and cranking out a couple of veteran military units that will actually be able to push any invaders back into the sea, should anyone feel like testing how serious we are about preventing anyone to settle our landmass.

8) keep Forkmouth building a Warrior
Tibi, the principal problem with a Worker first is that Forkmouth generates only 1 shield/turn at pop 2 (with a fully developed riverbank bonus grassland). As there is one more almost fully developed tile (game forest, 2-2-0) there, we do not actually need to improve another tile for 10 more turns. If we build a military unit first, we will bring Forkmouth to pop 3 and 2 shields per turn. That will allow us to build a worker in 5 turns then. This way, it is 10+5=15 turns. With a worker first, it would be 10+10=20 turns. As we do not really need any more improvements in the Forkmouth inner ring THAT soon, I suggest we build a military unit first (possibly even an archer).

Additionally, with Panama building Barracks and having Iron just few turns from being connected, building a Warrior is pretty much like building a Swordsman. And we certainly want to have a couple of those around.

9) check all our cities for optimum performance

10) set research to either The Republic at 100% (if we acquire Code of Laws already on this turn) or shut it down completely to 0% (if not)
I am not sure how the tech deal will actually be done, but I suspect that we will have to wait one more turn before actually getting the CoL (GoW now makes an offer, we counter with Philosophy, accept, and then they - on the next turn - accept).

We shall get Literature from GoW on the next turn, so it would be wasteful to invest any more beakers into our own research. Better to save some cash.

	10-03-2003 19:29									#103
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I agree with all of the moves/plans.
I especially agree with the O2E changes: Pyramids in Jackson, barracks in Panama, then units (swords and mercenaries).
Apropos O2E, what are the plans with Jason after finishing the road near Jackson?

I'm pretty sure that we'll get those techs only the next turn, after GoW acceot the deal, too. So for one turn we must put the science slider to 0.

	10-03-2003 20:03									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Apropos O2E, what are the plans with Jason after finishing the road near Jackson?

Considering the fact that we will probably not add any workers to Panama now (or only one of them... not sure, need to redo all my sims), I believe we will be able to send Jason to that Dye tile that is now inside our cultural borders, either roading & clearing or clearing & roading it, to make our people happier a bit...

Later, I believe, he will join Red Bricks' workers in building the road from Legopolis to Red Bricks.

	11-03-2003 04:58									#105
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Hmm, with our turn having now arrived - one thing we have never discussed is are we going to found embassies this turn and if so, with whom?

We should have contacts with GoW but we may not necessarily have the contact with RP yet (unless GoW proposed it on their turn and RP accepted it on theirs).

I think that this is another "get it out of the way" issue - if we have the gold we should establish the embassies as soon as possible especially with possible trading partners.

Mind you at the moment I don't think we have the gold to afford all 5 embassies especially if we want to retain some gold flexibility...

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	11-03-2003 15:18									#106
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Plans for 1275BC:

1) Angus S, attacking the camp

2) Leonardo to road the horse hill

3) most recent Legopolis Merc to Jackson & fortify
I moved the most recently built Merc outside Legopolis and moved him along the road to Jackson, as Jackson will grow to size 6 in 6 turns and we will need another MP unit there. I plan to send our next Legopolis settler down to Farmerville unescorted - there are units enough along the way to keep an eye on him and lend him a hand, if threatened by a wandering barbarian.

4) Galleyleo Galleylei S-SW-W
Trying to get to the southern side of Mystery Island, while leaving the other barb galley to attack the GoW galley (the first one, the one we saw at the Northern tip of M.I., attacked the GoW galley this turn and lost without inflicting any damage nor causing a promotion).

5) Rover & Jimbo to road, Conan to guard them
It is important to do this before the next step, so that the road is there for the Settler+Merc combo.

6) Mighty Merc + Settler SE-SE-SE
I would then split the combo, sending the Settler S, S, S, SE & found Karina (MercG joining him along the way - the settler would be safe all the time), while the Merc would go E, NE, N, then sentry and watch over the Zargonia Bay area (as I suppose that is the next city we will want to build).

7) Charlie to road

8) should we get Code of Laws, set research to The Republic at 100%, otherwise, keep it at 0%
There is a complication now, 'cause GoW is supposedly breaking a trade treaty with GS, trading CoL to us. It may eventually happen we will not get it from GoW... I hope that's not the case, but if it is, we better keep our research at 0%, saving the cash. Apparently, techs are very cheap to buy once discovered... 100 gold can buy us pretty much anything, I believe, even if it is just three turns of 0% research for us...
EDIT: if there is a possibility of removing the CoL from a deal with GoW, we shall remove it, delaying the tech deal by one turn (this is the solution proposed by GoW - we shall get CoL for free from ND on the next turn). I would also waste no more time and start researching either Currency (my preference) or Construction at 100%.

9) if our contact with RPers shows up, gift them 20 gold
Fulfilling our part of the agreement.

I would hold on embassies for the moment. An embassy with GoW would cost 42 gold last turn. That's quite a bit to establish it without proper consideration... let's discuss what we need them for first.

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	11-03-2003 15:25									#107
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Upgrading our warriors will be highly costly. AFAIK only one upgrade will cost us 40 bucks. 4 warriors=160 gold.

	11-03-2003 15:29									#108
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1. OK
2. OK
3. if we road the dye, we no longer need the extra unit in Jackson. At least, not now; and I'd prefer to have troops in the south, because it just takes longer to get them there.
4. OK
5. OK
6. OK
7. OK
8. OK but should we find out that GS can research it faster than us and they accept the treaty, we stay on 0.
9. OK

	11-03-2003 16:28									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius 3. if we road the dye, we no longer need the extra unit in Jackson. At least, not now; and I'd prefer to have troops in the south, because it just takes longer to get them there.

Unfortunately, we would not be able to connect the dyes soon enough - we would have to use the luxury slider for a couple of turns (messing with our Republic research & deal, if it is signed), or entertainers in Jackson (messing with our wonder build there).

One more unit should make little difference, plus the later we send it down to the South, the faster it will get there thanks to the road being built in the meantime.

	11-03-2003 16:43									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius Upgrading our warriors will be highly costly. AFAIK only one upgrade will cost us 40 bucks. 4 warriors=160 gold.

That's correct, but what would we use the money we have for? Even without any more funding from barbs, we should be able to upgrade all our warriors (perhaps omitting Gaul, as he is just a conscript)

	11-03-2003 18:19									#111
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I was talking about the embassies. I didn't say I'm against upgrading the warriors, just pointing out how expensive it is. We won't have money both for embassies and upgrades.

As for the jungle, I forgot how long it takes to road it.

	11-03-2003 18:24									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius I was talking about the embassies. I didn't say I'm against upgrading the warriors, just pointing out how expensive it is. We won't have money both for embassies and upgrades.

That is a good point, we will have to prioritize, that's for sure. I would vote for upgrading the warriors prior to building embassies.

	11-03-2003 20:01									#113
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I see limited value of embassies at this time. When playing against people (vs the AI), relationships are not swayed by the embassy. MPP is out of the question, as is ROP. I don't know if embassies effect the score, but even if it does...who cares. Is there some other value that I am missing?

So upgrading the warriors is definitely the priority.

	11-03-2003 20:45									#114
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quote: Originally posted by lmtoops I see limited value of embassies at this time. When playing against people (vs the AI), relationships are not swayed by the embassy. MPP is out of the question, as is ROP. I don't know if embassies effect the score, but even if it does...who cares. Is there some other value that I am missing?

IIRC, you can do some limited spying through the embassy (primarily looking at cities, paying with gold).

	11-03-2003 20:47									#115
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We can't trade until we have an embassy (AFAIK) So, should we have the opportunity to trade (iron, horses, luxuries, etc) we will need those embassies Forget it, this is not true.
Until then, what we need is REXing to grab land and military power to discourage amphibious settlers

	12-03-2003 08:00									#116
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1) Angus S, attacking the camp
Agreed

2) Leonardo to road the horse hill
Agreed

3) most recent Legopolis Merc to Jackson & fortify
To Jackson, yes - but not to fortify - if necessary we can use this merc to pop the hut at Mystery Isle faster perhaps

4) Galleyleo Galleylei S-SW-W
Actually I prefer W-SW-SW (or W-SW-S) if possible - we can always scout out more of GoW's coastline later - but the Mystery Isle hut is a time sensitive situation (may be hopeless if a unit is aboard the GoW galley of course).

5) Rover & Jimbo to road, Conan to guard them
Agreed

6) Mighty Merc + Settler SE-SE-SE
Agreed and to separate them soon to send Mighty Merc to Zargonia city site

7) Charlie to road
Agreed

8) should we get Code of Laws, set research to The Republic at 100%, otherwise, keep it at 0%

With the recent developments it appears that GS might beat us to Republic, so maybe we should go for Construction instead - we will probably need the aqueducts and colosseums very soon after we get the Pyramids finished (and even more so when we switch governments)

In a pinch we can temporarily shift one of the RedBricks production squares to the Rich Hill square and that would increase our arrows by up to 4. But as we currently sit at 31, we will add 1 from Jackson, perhaps 1 from Panama, 1 or 2 from Karina and 1 more from RedBricks at least - without the Rich Hill ploy we may max at 35 plus or minus 2 - with the Rich Hill ploy we could temporarily max at near 40. At 35 beakers per turn (max), Republic would take 19 turns (Turn 88-89). I know it is unrealistic but 40 beakers per turn would be 17 turns (Turn 86-87), and in the conversation with GS they said they would be done before that (Frankly I don't see how necessarily as we are #1 in GNP, despite our larger amount of corruption - don't forget that GS isn't commercial and may be hitting the optimum city level sooner).

However, as Tiberius said, REXing is more of a priority right now, over a tech race. Probably better to go for a safer tech such as Construction.

9) if our contact with RPers shows up, gift them 20 gold
Agreed

	12-03-2003 08:30									#117
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Sharpe, I think the only issue is that Jackson will hit size 6 soon, and we'll need the 2nd Merc to deal with unhappiness. I'm not sure if he could make it to mystery isle and back in enough time, but I'll look into it.

	12-03-2003 09:06									#118
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quote: Sharpe, I think the only issue is that Jackson will hit size 6 soon, and we'll need the 2nd Merc to deal with unhappiness.

I had forgotten about the size 6 Jackson problem - from what I can guess it would take a minimum of 11 turns to pickup the merc, pop the hut and bring it back to Jackson - and we only have 6 turns until Jackson reaches size 6.

I guess Angus is still our best choice as the only other viable options (Conan and Gaul) would take 8-10 turns just to get up to Jackson while Angus and Galleyleo can be at the hut in 12 or so turns - but with that much time I think that it is moot.

Even if the GoW galley has no one on it, they might retreat it back to GoW and be back in less than 6 turns with a unit to pop the hut. It would take them around 4 turns to "see" the hut from the galley if they head around the south. So a total of 10 turns versus our 12 turns.

One possible alternative is to use the Jackson merc for the hut, but to shift the other units northwards (ie the Legopolis merc moves to Jackson, the RedBricks moves up to Legopolis etc.). Unless their galley has a unit on it, using the Jackson merc would beat GoW to the hut.

Perhaps we can find out if their galley has unit on it by simply asking them - perhaps warning them about the barb galley or something.

	12-03-2003 13:10									#119
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Steve, I do not think the hut is worth so much hassle. Keep in mind that not all huts are as nice as our past ones were. If GoW beats us to it, well... we won't get a heart attack from it. And it will slow them down several turns.

	13-03-2003 07:11									#120
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Ok, I just loaded up the turn to let everyone know what the trade situation is.

GoW has accepted our trade and sent Literature as well. All we need to do is accept. We also have contact with ND, though they didn't offer anything yet.

Discuss!