13-02-2003 01:26									#31
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from the other thread (belongs in the OT):

quote: Little turk, Is it dark and lonely outside the EU? What you gonna do when they leave you out again? Invade?

I remind you Greece was accepted into EU based on realpolitik and geostrategical concerns. Certainly did not fullfill any criteria


What makes you sure same wont happen with Turkey?

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Says I. About 5% of Greek GDP is EU donations. When donations stop, and they will stop soon, you wont have any money left to buy weapons. Not to mentin Turkey has 500 000 soldiers that could parade in Athens within a week of your war. Parthenon still standing, they will finish the job

I would correct you by saying that about 90% of our annual economical growth rate is EU donations.

And defeatism is not part of the Greek mentality. It is us that will march into Ankara.

But seriously in a most propable two day war the Turks will attempt to seize one of our major islands and we to get it back before the Americans intervene.

I doubt it that Turkey's 600.000 men army will be put to the field in such a short time.

	13-02-2003 01:28									#33
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well, I guess you just don't take a "hint".

	13-02-2003 01:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion from the other thread (belongs in the OT): quote: Little turk, Is it dark and lonely outside the EU? What you gonna do when they leave you out again? Invade? I remind you Greece was accepted into EU based on realpolitik and geostrategical concerns. Certainly did not fullfill any criteria What makes you sure same wont happen with Turkey?

Absolutely correct.

	13-02-2003 01:29									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel well, I guess you just don't take a "hint".

I do not answer to personal attacks.

	13-02-2003 01:30									#36
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quote: 1.Albania 2.Turkey 3.FYROM 4.Bulgaria

5. US and Israel tie?

quote: It got me a threat from Ming warning me of a possible ban.

I hate it when mods interrupt the fun

	13-02-2003 01:31									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos I doubt it that Turkey's 600.000 men army will be put to the field in such a short time.

What about your "other" neighbours?

	13-02-2003 01:31									#38
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5. European Catholics.

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quote: Originally posted by Ozz What about your "other" neighbours?

It is the Turks that have to worry about their neighbours.

Syria, Armenia, the Kurds, Cyprus all await of a Turkish sign of weakness.

	13-02-2003 01:36									#40
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ok, sorry.

	13-02-2003 01:37									#41
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Palaiologos, since you admit you couldn't win a war with Turkey, why are you still advocating it


Also, without its immigrants, Greek economy would slow down to a halt, and without EU money and huge military spending it could as well collapse. So, even if you hate them, pragmaticaly speaking, you are aware Greece needs them? (not just scientists, ordinary manual workers too)

	13-02-2003 01:39									#42
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Also, in your honest opinion, do majority of Greeks have same views as you have? About Turks and Albanians?

	13-02-2003 01:39									#43
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quote: 5. European Catholics.

So... apparently I'm in the Greek hate-list based only on my religion....

Are we back to the Dark Ages?

Luckily not all Greeks are so discriminatory.... I met a lot of very nice people in Rhodes... some of them were even talking perfect Italian

Saluti

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No need to feel sorry Azazel(if you really mean it).

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It's a fassion issue Giovanni, dont take it personally. Black Greek monks (dark side of the force ) cant stand the way Pope dresses in white.

I m sure as soon as some sort of clothing agreement can be reached, we will se a reunion of christians

	13-02-2003 01:45									#46
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Syria?

We'll stab them in the back real hard. All in the name of regional peace, of course.


damn, I LUUUV this kind of threads.

	13-02-2003 01:46									#47
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Also, in your honest opinion, do majority of Greeks have same views as you have? About Turks and Albanians?

In all honesty, yes.

Nobody likes the Turks, much less the albanians.

I however do not share the majority's feelings for the FYROMians. I happen to be strangely fond of them.

	13-02-2003 01:47									#48
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I am not saying that for you Vetlegion.

I know you are from Croatia.

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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos I mean foreign immigrants. Syrians f.e. Not jews from other countries.

Thais, christian east europeans, etc Guess he doesnt know about the effects of the intifadah on the Israeli labor market.

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Fashion?

Oh well... what about everybody run around naked?
that way the fashion issue would not sussist anymore

Saluti

	13-02-2003 01:51									#51
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Palaiologos, since you admit you couldn't win a war with Turkey, why are you still advocating it Also, without its immigrants, Greek economy would slow down to a halt, and without EU money and huge military spending it could as well collapse. So, even if you hate them, pragmaticaly speaking, you are aware Greece needs them? (not just scientists, ordinary manual workers too)

Doesn't matter if you lose or not, just to stand up and fight.


Greece has a 12% unemployment rate and rising. What do we need manual workers for?

Actually we do not need scientists as well.

	13-02-2003 01:52									#52
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I really mean it.
You're just an easy target.

	13-02-2003 01:54									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Fashion? Oh well... what about everybody run around naked? that way the fashion issue would not sussist anymore Saluti

Hey, Giovanni many Greeks happen to be ultra-orthodox.

remember what happened the last time Pope visited Greece. Millions in the streets protesting against him.

Catholicism is still blamed for the fall of the City and the fourth crusade.

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quote: I am not saying for you Vetlegion. I know you are from Croatia.

We had our fair share of struggle with the Turks have no doubt

We are friends with them now. Econimic cooperation and all, no much action, so dont worry

Though we can build them Tanks and Subs if they need them, but unfortunately our tech is a bit old so it seems they ll get damn Merkava's instead You are going to fight 'made in Israel' weaponry


So nowadays we just dip out feet in out beautiful unpolluted sea and watch Greece being funky in her part of the middle east

	13-02-2003 01:56									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I really mean it. You're just an easy target.

You really mean your sorry, or your insults?


It doesn't matter anyway since i bear no grudge.

	13-02-2003 01:58									#56
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quote: Oh well... what about everybody run around naked? that way the fashion issue would not sussist anymore

naked priests

lets keep it as it is then

	13-02-2003 02:00									#57
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quote: Catholicism is still blamed for the fall of the City and the fourth crusade.

quote: It doesn't matter anyway since i bear no grudge.

contradiction?

	13-02-2003 02:01									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Hey, Giovanni many Greeks happen to be ultra-orthodox. remember what happened the last time Pope visited Greece. Millions in the streets protesting against him. Catholicism is still blamed for the fall of the City and the fourth crusade.

Uhmm, those are things that happened many centuries ago... so i think it could be about time to let those old issues drop, and try to look at the other religions for what they have in common

(especially since Catholic and Orthodox happenes to have too many things in common).

Saluti

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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos It is the Turks that have to worry about their neighbours. Syria, Armenia, the Kurds, Cyprus all await of a Turkish sign of weakness.

No I meant, the Balkan countries have a habit of joint
attacks. ie Bulgurian war.

I doubt a Greco-Turkish war would remain Greco-Turkish
for long. Maybe Greco-Turkish,Macedon,Albanian, Bulgarian War.

It happened to Bulguria, Turkey. why not Greece?

	13-02-2003 02:05									#60
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quote: Doesn't matter if you lose or not, just to stand up and fight.

True. Better then bend over and smile.

quote: Greece has a 12% unemployment rate and rising. What do we need manual workers for?

Greeks dont want to do manual stuff anymore. It was all in the Economist article paiktina posted. Basicaly you need low wage workers to explit. Happened before elswhere. It is the second generation that will ... surprise you.

quote: Actually we do not need scientists as well.

yep, it is obvious you have it all figured out well