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In the 1920s but not sure exactly about the year, yes.
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It just offers me the chance to post things when I feel like it. His mistakes in history have already gave him away and now I just play with him when I'm in the mood. He's useful.
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The Greek state, having expanded greatly since gaining independance was looking to return to it's old capital. In Greece,this was referred to as the "Megali Idea", the dream of reclaiming the Byzantine capital. Greece's entry in WW1 on what turned out to be the winning side made this a realistic ambition.
Greek Prime Minister Eleutherios Venizelos based Greece's claim to Constantinople at the Paris peace conferance in 1919 on two principles. 1) American President Woodrow Wilson's fourteen points which stressed self determination for nations in the Ottoman empire. 2) Venizelos pointed out in a memorandum that the "principal native element of the population of Constantinople is Greek, being numerically greater than all the other nationalities put together except the Turks." Quote taken from a New York Times article of January 16, 1919.
In the end Greece liberated Smyrna and the western portions of Asia minor as well as Eastern Thrace. The Greeks of Pontus sought to form a state of their own. Greece was not allowed to enter Constantinople, although the idea of Greek claims was considered and ultimately rejected. In September 1920,Venizelos petitioned the allies to turn Constantinople over to the Greek army, and in return the allies refused (From New York Times article of September 20, 1920.)
In July 1921, Prime Minister Gounaris argued that Greece had the right to march on Constantinople, which the allies had by then intended to preserve as a Turkish capital, as a result of Greek military victories up to that time. The allies countered that their respective armies numbered 10,000 soldiers and all would be used to resist a Greek march on Constantinople. (From New York Times article "Talk of Greek March on Constantinople". July 27, 1921.)
The Greeks continued to hope that they would enter Constantinople up until Kemal Ataturk's armies entered in the fall of 1922. It is interesting that when the British entered Constantinople following the Ottoman empire's collapse Greek hopes were high. Greek flags rose in Constantinople. The The Patriarch Meletios IV lobbied the allies to support union with Greece. It is ironic that the Greeks of Constantinople and Asia minor survived into the twentieth century only to disappear almost entirely by the twentyfirst when the world had become more enlightened to the plights of minorities and human rights. |
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Originally posted by Palaiologos
It is not a single life(your own) that you fight for, but for your country, its honour and its history. What will the future of the next generations be if at the crucial momment the politicians and its citizens exhibited cowardice? |
No you fight for YOUR freedom, Your personnal Honour
each generation is responible for itself. The Germans
invaded Greece for the "Honour" of their country, but
their country had no honour.
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Mar 2002
time: 05:25
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Originally posted by paiktis22
And I see him laughing about that... |
You are clueless to make that ASSumption. The Reason
i keep butting heads with you is that you don't clue in
to one fact.
It's the rich old men, sleeping with the young women who sent young "patroits" out to die, to get their names in the history book.
The sooner you realize what a bunch of frickin' bastards
these guys are who start wars the sooner you'll see
the differience between a just war and just some
a-holes ego trip.
Massaces occur in wars EVERY frickin' time. Greece started the war wanting to garb Istanbul and the old Ionia cities. Just because a majority of people of one culture occupy a small part of a nation does not give another nation of that culture the right to start a bloody war to sieze it. Cause then where do you draw the line
1,000,000 people, 100,000, 10,000 ,1000,10, 1?
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Mar 2002
time: 05:25
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Originally posted by paiktis22
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Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks.
Winston Churchill, 1941. |
I never deny the truth. Nice to get quotes like that. They are well deserved.
The Greeks fought well in THEIR JUST WAR against the
Italians and would have pushed them out of Albania and
into the sea, without help from anyone else. That fact
they did/would have done this with basically rifles against Italians armed with planes, tanks and artillery
speaks of their high moral and courage in DEFENDING
themselves.
Even after the fall of greece, greek units fought on in
North Africa and Italy until victory was theirs.
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:25
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Originally posted by paiktis22
You have nothing to offer except being
a) an already beaten to the ground DL
or
b) a really 40 year old fart with no contribution to make, since you don't know sh!t about history or what you're talking about and suffer from serious psychological problems.
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This is posted ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, don't you got
anything, and I mean ANYTHING better to do that
try a troll a "40 year old fart" on the internet on a
A SATURDAY NIGHT , your must be a virgin and a real
loser in life to be posting NOW.
Well, I'm off to the Pub, to enjoy something called " a
Social life" with something called "friends" and "Women"
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:25
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Azazel, it's true that you are a nazi jew
But I am confident that with the help of the EU's funds and the determination of the Palestinians, your nazi regime's era will come to pass and the Pals will hane their own country.
I'm willing to bet on it.
Go Intifada!
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That is, of course, you'll still have any sort of economy around 20 years from now. You know, someone has got to pay those social security checks, it would be rather hard with... what is it now, 1.3 kids? 
And actually, I was to a pub, a disco, a coffee shop.
But arafat wasn't.
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Mar 2002
time: 05:25
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Originally posted by Azazel
erm, actually it seems that you got your ass kicked good. By the turks. |
No, By me over and over again :lol
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Mar 2002
time: 05:25
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Originally posted by paiktis22
Odin, killed or expelled.
1 million of them made it out to Greece. Scores of others were massacred. Also 1.5 Armenians were massacred by the Turks on that time frame. 1st genocide of modern 20th century. |
Greek VICTORY, reminds me of General Custer,
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16-02-2003 06:46
I stand corrected. 1923 right ?
every last ****er has a PC around here, oh great clueless one.
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