13-02-2003 02:08									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine Fashion? Oh well... what about everybody run around naked? that way the fashion issue would not sussist anymore Saluti

Run around naked here today and all your interesting parts will freeze and drop off in about 10 minutes.

	13-02-2003 02:09									#62
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion quote: Oh well... what about everybody run around naked? that way the fashion issue would not sussist anymore naked priests lets keep it as it is then

Saluti

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quote: Originally posted by Ozz Run around naked here today and all your interesting parts will freeze and drop off in about 10 minutes.

Now... that is something I must remind myself not to do when I'm traveling through Canada

Saluti

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quote: Originally posted by Ozz No I meant, the Balkan countries have a habit of joint attacks. ie Bulgurian war. I doubt a Greco-Turkish war would remain Greco-Turkish for long. Maybe Greco-Turkish,Macedon,Albanian, Bulgarian War. It happened to Bulguria, Turkey. why not Greece?

Bulgarian War?

You mean the Balkan Wars.
War No1 1912-13: Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro vs Ottoman Empire.

War No2 1913: Bulgaria unsatisfied with her gains from the first war attacked her allies: Greece, Serbia vs Bulgaria. later Turkey and Rommania took the chance and attacked Bulgaria from behind.

	13-02-2003 02:31									#65
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I have to go, but can we draw some conclusions?

- greeks want everyone out but filtered, educated cadre that is in short supply can get in. such as grenland beach volley players or ski experts from chad.

- greeks need albanians, but they treat them like inferior savages and use them as scapegoat minority

- greeks want preemptive war with all their neighbours, but claim they are not paranoid, dont keep grudges and are a factor of peace and stability

- greeks are not religious fanatics, yet they raise millions against the poor old Pope, a feat Iran would accomplish with difficulty

- greeks whine about EU but they happily thake their money and they whine about USA but happily buy USA weapons


discuss


I mean, you can learn a lot from Apolyton, about other cultures and stuff

	13-02-2003 02:35									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos took the chance and attacked Bulgaria from behind.

Exactly

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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion I have to go, but can we draw some conclusions? - greeks want everyone out but filtered, educated cadre that is in short supply can get in. such as grenland beach volley players or ski experts from chad. - greeks need albanians, but they treat them like inferior savages and use them as scapegoat minority - greeks want preemptive war with all their neighbours, but claim they are not paranoid, dont keep grudges and are a factor of peace and stability - greeks are not religious fanatics, yet they raise millions against the poor old Pope, a feat Iran would accomplish with difficulty - greeks whine about EU but they happily thake their money and they whine about USA but happily buy USA weapons

And what exactly do you find so strange?

	13-02-2003 03:38									#68
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quote: And what exactly do you find so strange?

Palaiologos



Reading your posts in the PtW thread and here


You have exposed yourself as nationalistic greek xenophobe extraodinare! A real rarity here on poly ... or is it



And you tell us all Greeks are such... and we have no way to check


and so we have to trust you on that

	13-02-2003 04:13									#69
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hej, just finished reading the other thread

lots of cool stuff, but this one is a classic:

quote: Not all Turks are good, simply because a few are.

brilliant



hmm


so you are an evil lowlife villain in vendetta with his own brain challenged in areas of sanity and reason, so what


but lean closer and I will tell you a secret ... I prefer you coming out in the open and saying what you really think, to some guy speaking one thing and thinking another. yes, there are such amongst us

Actually, that is why I could never live in the middle east (even in the more developed part of ME, Greece). Because of the way they smile at you while they stab you in the back (or in the ass, as they do in some parts )


It is truly refreshing to see you here telling us honestly what you think



so it is not the recent fashion to have a 19th century mindset, so what? fashion changes .. be a trendsetter, not a follower

	13-02-2003 06:35									#70
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Let me start my post with this...


Palaiologos you are making a complete ass of yourself and the rest of us when you try to convince other people that all Greeks are like what you stand for.

You invent a "hate list" ,you keep rabling about anything protesting in (almost) everyone else's view and even when you do have a point you do everything in your power to kil it. If you have not figured it by now the guys here are enjoying this whole issue by having fun with you. Sad by went asking for it.

One little piece of advice. Don't open yoour mouth unles you know what exactly the thing you are talking of is, and don't judge stuff based only on what you can comprehent.

Ok now that I let this out of my system let's see some interesting stuff about what you guys have been blabbing about.

quote: VetLegion Says I. About 5% of Greek GDP is EU donations. When donations stop, and they will stop soon, you wont have any money left to buy weapons.

I don't see how we wouldn't have any money left if only 5% is Eu donations . That doens't make much of a difference to worry about ... does it?

quote: I would correct you by saying that about 90% of our annual economical growth rate is EU donations.

90%????? are you serious? take a look around if that was the case then we wouldn't be having a country to show for ourselves!

In any case the EU money is NOT donations. The money that come from the EU to Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland etc etc is money spent in indevelopment, infrastructure, new technologies and so on. Or at least it should be so instead of geting into the bank accounts of some politicians and their "colleagues"

(irrelevant/interesting fact of the day: most of the EU money that gets spent in other EU countries comes from Germany)

In any case guys the economical ratings of any country are not calculated based on how much money is given by loans, donations, international help etc.


A war with Turkey??? Hmmm ok let me play your "game" for a little while.
Both countries being in NATO I don't see that happening, eventhough some people from both sides wish for it.
In any case frankly I don't see how one country could win over the other. It's a game of win some, lose some.
The thing that makes Turkey a bit "weaker" is that as mentioned the Curds, the Armenians etc will grab this chance to fight too. So Turkey won't be able to send all troops against Greece. The other thing is that Greece has water borders. So Turkey might "grab" a few islands but if greece invades it would grab lot s of land mass. Why do you think that greece has left most islands with not much infrastructure ?? (:P ok.. I admit a silly argument here)

In anycase talk of a Greek-turkish war is bull*** whoever it is comming from.

quote: VetLegion Greeks dont want to do manual stuff anymore.

Sad but true. Same thing goes with any developed coountry I think. Look at some states of US and the mexican immigrants ( legal or not), the Germany after WW2 etc etc.
Things go like this
First you as a country are in need of hands, then some immigrants come, and they are also cheap especially in cases like Albania. The time they first started comming in back in 1991, an Albanian would make more money with manual labor in less thna a week,than a doctor or unioversity professor in a month back in their homeland.
The Albanian workers didn't need to spend much, in some cases even the places they'd live would be better than what they were used at back home so they could afford being paid less than the Greeks who then in turn, turned to other forms of employment.

So gradually yes the Greeks are reluctunt to manual labor and the fact that the payment is low is the greatest factor to be consndered.

However unemployment is not high only in the manual labor category. It's actualy "acceptably" low there. The problem lies with most people that finish university and can't find a job even with a masters degree but that's another issue that is to long to cover in that post. Just stating the main reason of this 12% unempoyment.

quote: Vetlegion:greeks need albanians, but they treat them like inferior savages and use them as scapegoat minority

Nope this is not true. Sure there are people like our Palaiologos here but that's not the main stream.
The whole missunderstanding with albanians started when all the criminals came in along with the immigrants, the greek state was unable to control them and the crime rate went skyhigh. Things are mch better the last few years regarding to that and less crimes happen, the less misunderstandings occure and the more your statement is proven wong.

quote: VetLegion: greeks want preemptive war with all their neighbours, but claim they are not paranoid, dont keep grudges and are a factor of peace and stability

Nope.. that's Palaiologos speaking not the rest of us

quote: greeks are not religious fanatics, yet they raise millions against the poor old Pope, a feat Iran would accomplish with difficulty

Again you are talking about Palaiologos and him alone.
BTW there where never millions oposed to the pope's visit here... some hundrents maybe but not many over that. YEs we are NOT religious fanatics... if some of us are they sure don't make it out for the whole population. Every country has it's fanatics of one thing or the other, making generalizations based on what you see of one person is hardly a logical way to judge.

quote: greeks whine about EU but they happily thake their money

Again making a generalization here. Thise that protest agains tthe Eu are those of comunist believes, denoying everyhtign that's not "socialistic" ( about 5-7% basd on the last national election results)

quote: Palaiologos: Nobody likes the Turks, much less the albanians.

perhaps talking about your close people?

quote: ...even in the more developed part of ME (Midle east), Greece)

Greece is not in Middle East



hmmmmmm.. I think this sums it up for now... if i have missed something I'll add with a new post.


have a nice evening everyone

	13-02-2003 18:51									#71
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I had already figured out that people were having fun with my view.I am not a fool you know. I just got along, as i was not having a bad time either.

points:

1.It is 90%. Greece has an annual growth rate of 3,8 and the 3,01(or something) is due to EU funding.


2.Disliking albanians does not mean wanting to kill them all. I have used the terms hate and dislike as the same, which may have been a mistake.

3.No Greek wants a preemptive strike against our neighbours(apart from me, that is).

4.The total of protestors was a bit over a million. 150.000 in Macedonia, 300.000 in Athens etc... However you are right as i was thinking of the wrong incident. The church rose up for the ID issue not for the Pope. For the Pope the protestors were about 200.000 in all of Greece. Sorry.

As for the orthodox fanatic thing keep in mind that 3.500.000 people signed the anti-IDs proclamation.
For the non-Greeks: In the Greek IDs you have to state your religion. Goverment wanted to changed that since it was not "liberal" enough.

5.Apat from commies and a few left liberals nobody else in Greece is sarisfied by the presence of Albanians in our country. Ask Greeks in the street(espesially youths-not the neo-nazis) and they will all express their negative feelings towards Albanians and Caucasians(Russo-Pontiacs). How many would they marry their daughters to one of them? At least that is what happens in Macedonia where there are many foreigners and patriotism is still strong. Do not know what happens in Athens.

6. Graico-Turkish war is a bullshi*?

oh yes, i forgot. WWII was the last war of humanity and all countries will eventually join the EU which will last 10.000 years. Eternal world peace will ensue.

A fool's dream.

NATO existed in 1974, 1987, 1996. Greece however came close to war with Turkey on those dates.

7. Vetlegion, i do not have a personal vendetta of my own in my evil mind. I do not go to sleep at night mumbling about The Turks being exterminated and the Albanians driven off. Nor do i awake with plans of Balkan domination.

IN ALL HONESTY, as strange as it may sound, it is Anaton's views about the turks and albanians that are a minority in Greece. PEOPLE JUST DO NOT LIKE THEM.

	13-02-2003 20:31									#72
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Small correction: the GDP growth for 2002 was 4% of which 1% was due to EU funds. I'm pretty sure about this

	14-02-2003 06:58									#73
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you are unusually condensed paiktis, nothing more to add?

	14-02-2003 07:01									#74
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quote: Vetlegion, i do not have a personal vendetta of my own in my evil mind. I do not go to sleep at night mumbling about The Turks being exterminated and the Albanians driven off. Nor do i awake with plans of Balkan domination.

Don't you worry about me misunderstanding. You have been very clear

thank you

	14-02-2003 07:25									#75
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Anaton, so you don't think I am ignoring you or something

I read your post. We could discuss some points, but my curiosity of Greek issues is about satisfied..

	14-02-2003 07:44									#76
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If you want some serious fun with Palaigolos, get him started on the Turkish civilization, or simply go to this thread

e is much more extremist than the average FOPGian on 'Poly

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	14-02-2003 08:41									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If you want some serious fun with Pala, get him started on the Turkish civilization, or simply go to this thread He is much more extremist than the average FOPGian on 'Poly

Well of course.

The real meaning of Democracy here. Any non-political correct and non-liberal view is not worth even arguing against.

I fail to see why people see views that are deemed provocative in their naive eyes as "funny".


What is a FOPGian?

And please people, while it is not your fault, could you please stop calling me Pala or whatever?

My real name is Pericles.

	14-02-2003 08:47									#78
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OK, I edit this to Palaigolos.

FOPG is a name given to greece because of its insistence to have Macedonia called "FYROM". FOPG mean Former Ottoman Province of Greece. (better get used to it in the OT forum )

I will not argue with you, for I think your antics are entirely subjective and cannot be brought to reason (Albanians being naturally criminals, Turks being barbarians from the steppes etc.). Hence, an argument with you will be entirely pointless as neither will convince the other one bit of the validity of his views. At least, making fun of your antics is funny.

	14-02-2003 16:16									#79
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Oh yeah, i remember someone coined up the term in a previous discussion months ago.

But i am not sure what was Greece's Ottoman name.

Achaia perhaps...

	14-02-2003 19:57									#80
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Greece was called Rumeli by the Ottomans. But perhaps they called Rumeli whatever lies west of Bosphorus.

Paiktis is condensed because he is astonished at the stupidity of his fellow countryman's remarks, who ISN'T EVEN TROLLING: he seems to genuinely believe all this ****....

The sad thing is that people like Palaiologos are not uncommon in Greece. As I wrote elsewhere, Greece is full of fascists.

So now pehraps paiktis will understand why I get dissapointed when his trolls go out of proportion and start to backfire. Well in this case, the thread hasn't just backfired, it's a disaster even from the first post. Perhaps we should give this guy a prize for the most provocative first statement ever, in the OT.

Σκατά στους φασίστες!
Είμαστε όλοι Αλβανοί,
Τούρκοι προβοκάτορες
και φιλοσκοπιανοί!

	14-02-2003 20:39									#81
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Kala giati me vrizeis;

telos panton den se katigoro, auta sou mathane auta les.


It surprises me that the only thing i have done is to express my views and i get in return "democratic" personal attacks.
Perhaps my expressed antipathy of the albanians and turks shocked some people but still it is not a valid reason to call me names. Answer with arguments not by swearing me.(It is the greek part of axi's answer that shocks, not my views).


One has yet to explain why i must like the albanians ant turks. Their ancestors killed my family in asia minor and their descendants are posing as Greece's pimps.

	14-02-2003 20:43									#82
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Your own answer exhibits a dislike of the Turks as well, hypocrit.

Why else would you think that by calling me a Turkish agent, a pro-Macedonian and an Albanian native i would be insulted?

Are they not people like us? Would you be insulted if i called you a Belgian?

	14-02-2003 22:39									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Their ancestors killed my family in asia minor

And your ancestors killed their families.

Does that mean you have to keep making the same
stupid mistakes by keeping useless ancient feuds.

My Ancestors killed Americans, Canadians, Germans
Italians, French, British, hell, they even killed each other
in the American revolution and the Battle of Duck Lake.

	14-02-2003 23:22									#84
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DL OZZ (=AH)
* Bereta_Eder does the DL dance




Now.

vetty a slav who supports his regime and Azazel an Israeli jew are in no position to laugh about anyone.

The only laughable things are them and their countries.

Israel is a slaughter house, Croatia is ****ed by Serbia and centuries behind Europe and is gripped by nazism because of its past and some other issues.


As fo Spiffor, he's French and his country is the laughing stock of the New and Old World which in return is the laughing stock of the Old.


In summary a perfect laughing circle is created by the abovementioned leaving the youthful "extremisms" of Palaiologos only very mild.

Greece has recevied much undue critisism all of which because I ****ed people over in Poly and with great pleasure.
All this critisism is just in their minds though, and here in Poly and only exposes them.

Cheers.

	14-02-2003 23:52									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Ozz And your ancestors killed their families.

Actually, no.



Your ancestors did this in a single war.
Ancestral enemies the Turks and Greeks are, due to 1000 years of wars.

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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Actually, no. Your ancestors did this in a single war. Ancestral enemies the Turks and Greeks are, due to 1000 years of wars.

No that was just over the last 400 years. Before that
we killed Britons, Arabs, Sacrens (got knighted & a
coat of arms for this Killin'), Greeks, Cretans,
Russians, Spanards.

Point is it does'nt matter what yer ancestors did, it's
what you doing now. Ancestral enemies isn't a valid
Cacus Belli.

	15-02-2003 00:20									#87
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Greece has recevied much undue critisism all of which because I ****ed people over in Poly and with great pleasure.

Poor Troll, Tolls work better if you include some REAL
facts in them, like Lord Elgin being the saviour of
Greece's culture. Or how the British liberated Greece
twice. Or how Greece was a dictatorship and exported
terroristism to Crete, Yugoslavia and Cyprus. Or how
Greece betrayed Nato and the UN.

Plenty more were that came from Paticakes!

	15-02-2003 00:21									#88
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Poor DL Ozzy is just pissed that he doesnt actually have a culture or any acnestors to speak of..

aw my poor little DL...

	15-02-2003 00:23									#89
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How many times have I screwed you over already?

This must belike the 5th...

Greek Lovin' is the best so I don't blame you coming back for more, although you really need to get a life... (being a DL claiming to be 40 years old just to troll unsussesfully and all that... sad really)

	15-02-2003 00:25									#90
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Paiktis stop it, you're foaming at the mouth.