24-02-2003 09:56									#61
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Why is it that these type of threads seem to attract so many blackice clones?

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Ok Jon I will draft up a photographic rendering of the new parliament as soon as my show is over!

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Why is it that these type of threads seem to attract so many blackice clones?

I'm not sure what kind of an insult that was supposed to be, but what kind of a sad f*ck has:

Blackwidow24 and FemmeAdonis fan club

...in his signature?




YEEEEHAAAAWWWW, I GOTS OIL!!!

	24-02-2003 10:08									#64
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You're the best Zylka.

	24-02-2003 10:09									#65
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that's what I love about Zylka - he's so passionate!

	24-02-2003 10:13									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka THEN WE CAN SPEND ELEVENTY TRILLION DOLLARS REGISTERING TURNIPS AND THROWING OUR FARMERS IN JAIL FOR HAVING ILLEGAL GOPHER RIFLES, BECAUSE THAT WILL HALT THE MURDERS JAMAICAN/VIETNAMESE/SERB "REFUGEES" IN NORTH YORK ARE COMMITTING WITH SUBMACHINE GUNS

LOL!

	24-02-2003 10:16									#67
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Asher, you misunderstand. The US would give us a hand with the war, not with the oil, since they benefit from cheap Alberta oil. We'd buy mideast oil if you jack oil prices too high, so there is a limit to how high you can price gouge.

True, but either way it's not going to affect Alberta as much as it would the rest of Canada. There's no shortage of demand for Alberta oil, we ship it to Canada since you pay the same as everyone else we can ship to. If Canada suddenly decides to put tariffs or other taxes on Alberta oil, we'll just increase shipments south of the border. It's not like they ever have too much oil.

quote: With BC, you don't need to worry about this, since you would have access to the Pacific Rim.

I'm sure the US would give us ample access to ports if they want our oil bad enough.

quote: If BC and Alberta were to unite as a seperate country where would the capital be?

Canmore!

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The string of praise kind of frightened me

bye for now

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And now the little crab scuttles back to his cave...

	24-02-2003 10:27									#70
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Sh!t. Maybe Dion was right. Albertans need a basic history lesson of the 20th Century.

Are all of you idiotic Albertan separatist willing to die to create for your ideas because history shows that any attempt to separate a nation results in bloodshed.

Do you want Edmonton and Calgary turned into a battlefield?

Do you want to your family members killed by "collateral" damage?

Do you want a war between Canada and the United States?

I don't.

	24-02-2003 10:29									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Are all of you idiotic Albertan separatist willing to die to create for your ideas because history shows that any attempt to separate a nation results in bloodshed.

This is a milestone -- the most pathetic argument I've ever heard in a Canadian political thread.

Tell me, Tingkai, how many regions of countries could secede LEGALLY and ended in bloodshed? Even better, how can there be Bloodshed when Canada doesn't have a military?

BTW, what bloodshed was there when Canada separated from Britain?

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You've got really vicious lumberjacks! Surely they can spill some blood!

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Just saw Tragically Hip's newest video featuring the Trailer Park Boys. Don Cherry also appears, and there's a LOT of pvssy

Proud to be Canadian for now, I guess

	24-02-2003 10:32									#74
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Asher you don't know much about your province do you.

Does the name Cold Lake ring a bell.

As for your question, it makes no sense. Try again.

The fact that you think this is a pathetic argument just shows that you're a foolish child with no concept of how the world works.

	24-02-2003 10:36									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Asher you don't know much about your province do you. Does the name Cold Lake ring a bell.

I obviously wasn't serious when I said "no" military, and I'm well aware most of the airforce combat aircraft are based in Alberta...

quote: As for your question, it makes no sense. Try again.

I'll break it up for you:
What
bloodshed
was
there
when
Canada
seceded
from
Britain?

quote: The fact that you think this is a pathetic argument just shows that you're a foolish child with no concept of how the world works.

You've really lost it recently, Tingkai...

If you think there's going to be bloodshed if Alberta legally secedes from Canada...well...

1) The US would want the oilreserves protected, would likely defend Alberta. Canada would never attack Alberta knowing the US would protect us.
2) Ever heard of the UN?
3) The military Canada has is pathetic and Canada knows that
4) You're completely wrong about "all" countries seceding causing bloodshed.
5) If Canada really cared enough to keep Alberta to the point of turning Calgary into a warzone, you'd think they'd treat us a helluva lot better than they do.

	24-02-2003 10:37									#76
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Cold Lake means nothing seeing as how it has to do with American military practises, and enough F-18s to count on your hands and toes, right? Our country is equipped with a few dozen obsolete German tanks and an airforce which wouldn't even match that of Lithuania's (not joking)

Please contribute to the politics of the nation you actually live in (I think you dropped your chopsticks).

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quote: 1) The US would want the oilreserves protected, would likely defend Alberta. Canada would never attack Alberta knowing the US would protect us.

Why not become the 51st state?
Your proposals have you shipping oil to meet the demand in the US to keep Alberta economically viable. Now, you expect protection from the US military?

Next thing I know you'll propose dropping French as an official language.

	24-02-2003 10:47									#78
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Why not become the 51st state? Your proposals have you shipping oil to meet the demand in the US to keep Alberta economically viable. Now, you expect protection from the US military?

This was touched on in the article, the second Alberta would secede it'd no doubt sign some kind of defence pact with the US to ensure the safety of the oilfields.

quote: Next thing I know you'll propose dropping French as an official language.

It's already not an official provincial language in Alberta, I'd assume that to carry over in a new country.

Something like 2% of Albertans are native French speakers. Oriental dialects, and other east asian dialects, are much more popular...

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I obviously wasn't serious when I said "no" military, and I'm well aware most of the airforce combat aircraft are based in Alberta...

Half of Canada's combat aircraft are Cold Lake. The rest are based in Bagotville, Quebec.

quote: Originally posted by Asher I'll break it up for you: What bloodshed was there when Canada seceded from Britain?

Does the year 1837 mean anything to you? How about 1885?

Kid, you need to learn something about your country.

quote: Originally posted by Asher 1) The US would want the oilreserves protected, would likely defend Alberta. Canada would never attack Alberta knowing the US would protect us.

It would take months for the US to react to a war in Canada. Just look at what has happened.

quote: Originally posted by Asher 2) Ever heard of the UN?

How many times has the UN failed to stop a civil war?

quote: Originally posted by Asher The military Canada has is pathetic and Canada knows that

What loyal Canadians know is that the Canadian Armed Forces are small, but extremely well-trained and capable of doing their jobs despite massive shortages.

quote: Originally posted by Asher You're completely wrong about "all" countries seceding causing bloodshed.

Name one.

Simple question for you Asher: Would you fight for an independent Alberta.

You don't really have to answer that question because we all know that you would run away at the first sign of danger.

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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Please contribute to the politics of the nation you actually live in (I think you dropped your chopsticks).

Watch yourself. You're bordering on racism with this comment and the one about refugees.

	24-02-2003 10:51									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Does the year 1837 mean anything to you? How about 1885?

So in 1982 when we legally obtained sovereignty, please describe the bloodshed.

quote: It would take months for the US to react to a war in Canada. Just look at what has happened.

Which troops would invade Alberta? Really?
PPLI, based in Edmonton?

quote: What loyal Canadians know is that the Canadian Armed Forces are small, but extremely well-trained and capable of doing their jobs despite massive shortages.

And how many of those are based in Alberta and no doubt sympathize with Alberta's plight (Alberta is the province saying we need more military funding, everyone else disagrees).

quote: Name one.

Canada. 1982.
How about New Zealand? Australia?

quote: Simple question for you Asher: Would you fight for an independent Alberta.

Wouldn't need to. Canadians are above that, except for you it seems...

	24-02-2003 10:52									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Watch yourself. You're bordering on racism with this comment and the one about refugees.

How are his comments about chop sticks any different than your previous ones slamming Albertans?

Yours are worse, you just don't realize it.

	24-02-2003 10:56									#83
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Something you should keep in mind, Tingkai, is that people in the military tend to agree with Alberta more than Canada politically.

Which makes your whole scenerio of Canada invading Alberta even more laughable.

Canada would also never hurt their international reputation by instigating bloodshed by invading a province who LEGALLY seceded by VOTE of majority of the people in the province.

Plus, they've obviously shown that they really don't care that much -- otherwise they'd pretend to care about our issues, at the very least...

Take your weed and go smoke it in private before you damage your reputation further with this crap...

	24-02-2003 10:59									#84
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Tingkai:

'Velvet Revolution' in Czechoslovakia, where the Czech and Slovaks voted overwhelmingly to seperate.

So yes, you can have a bloodless secession.

The question is whether Canada would let Alberta go without bloodshed.

quote: Canada would also never hurt their international reputation by instigating bloodshed by invading a province who LEGALLY seceded by VOTE of majority of the people in the province.

Secession triggers emotions... look at what happened in the Quebec referendum? What would have happened with a 60% YES vote?

The 'legality'of the process would come under question with a YES vote in Alberta.

You won't get the same treatment as Quebec, so you would not get the chance to 'legally' secede. What this comes down to is revolution.

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quote: The 'legality'of the process would come under question with a YES vote in Alberta.

Isn't it in the constitution?

quote: You won't get the same treatment as Quebec, so you would not get the chance to 'legally' secede. What this comes down to is revolution.

If the province of Alberta sets up a province-wide referendum, and the necessary votes are obtained in favor of separation, the ball will start rolling.

Why wouldn't we get the "same treatment as Quebec"?

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Zylka: Are you calling me chopsticks?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Something you should keep in mind, Tingkai, is that people in the military tend to agree with Alberta more than Canada politically.

You know nothing about the Canadian military. If you did, you would know that CF members reflect Canadian society. Breakdown of votes from military bases have found that they tend to mirror the popular vote, including votes for the NDP.

It is widely accepted that the American Rev made Britain realise that it could not hold onto its "white" colonies. But I'll qualify my statement by saying that the majority of attempts to separate result in bloodshed.

	24-02-2003 11:12									#90
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quote: Why wouldn't we get the "same treatment as Quebec"?

quote: Wouldn't need to. Canadians are above that,

Canada will never take Albertan seperation seriously with this above attitude. Revolution will be the only thing to get the attention of the Federal government.

A province-wide referendum means nothing without the motive to back the complaints.

Also, do you endorse an entirely pacifist Alberta? Interesting how you would continue to rely on American protection to maintain your sovereignty.

Might as well become the 51st state and get it over with. Who cares about independence if you aren't willing to fight for it?