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cut those too. They aren't needed- esp. if there is no drought.

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I was thinking of just how evil Republicans have been over the years. Republicans began building the transcontinental railway system during Lincoln's first term. Eisenhower began building the interstate highway system. Eisenhower also began building the St. Lawrence Seaway. Teddy Roosevelt built the Panama Canal.

Evil, Evil Republicans. So harmful to America.

Before 9/11, Bush wanted to rebuild the American educational system. However, he got really sidetracked on that issue by Ted Kennedy, who never saw a public school he did not like, even thouhg he would never send his kids to be educated by one.

Evil George Bush. Evil Republicans.

Yes, let's get back to a Democrat adminstration where sex scandals are the semen of the news and where higher taxes, more government social programs and appeasement of America's enemies are the motis operandi. Who cares, after all, about the private sector. They are, after all, only greedy capitalists.

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If they save, then that money will be invested, and will help down the line.

However, Baby Boomers defy historical age trends anyway. There is no telling if they will save like previous 50ish people did. Baby Boomers have proven to be highly materialistic.

Hell, my father is over 50, and he just bought a new HDTV and DVD player .


hehe, same with my father

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Before 9/11, Bush wanted to rebuild the American educational system. However, he got really sidetracked on that issue by Ted Kennedy, who never saw a public school he did not like, even thouhg he would never send his kids to be educated by one.


You don't still believe that crap do you? Come on when someone tells you a lie call it a lie.

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I was thinking of just how evil Republicans have been over the years. Republicans began building the transcontinental railway system during Lincoln's first term. Eisenhower began building the interstate highway system. Eisenhower also began building the St. Lawrence Seaway. Teddy Roosevelt built the Panama Canal.

Evil, Evil Republicans. So harmful to America.

Before 9/11, Bush wanted to rebuild the American educational system. However, he got really sidetracked on that issue by Ted Kennedy, who never saw a public school he did not like, even thouhg he would never send his kids to be educated by one.

Evil George Bush. Evil Republicans.

Yes, let's get back to a Democrat adminstration where sex scandals are the semen of the news and where higher taxes, more government social programs and appeasement of America's enemies are the motis operandi. Who cares, after all, about the private sector. They are, after all, only greedy capitalists.


btw, you make good points Ned. The dems suck pretty bad.

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btw, you make good points Ned. The dems suck pretty bad.




Evil evil communists, arent they? I mean, the communists promote equality for all....SO DO THE DEMS! Only communists raise taxes, right? THE DEMS DO THAT TOO!!! Then they fund those evil evil social program But then again, all they want is MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE.....Those evil CAPITALISTS!!!!!!

And lets not get in about how the dems dont want to go in and begin slaughtering innocent civilians I mean why not? Red *IS* the color of the gawd-damned red flag, so why wouldnt they want to see it? Plus, its a kewl color

And argh!!! Those dems want us to be able to SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT!!! See how unpatriotic they are?! They wanna preserve protests, flag burning, free speech.....This is completly outrageous.

And those unpatriotic democrats actually LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES SAY!!!! Dont they understand that the rest of the world is simply there to serve US?! We should enslave the fools!

But the most ridiculous things the dems do (at least the males) is having sex I mean come on, WHO HERE IN AMERICA would ever do such a thing?! Sex is virtually nonexistent in OUR society....

We must oust all democrats IMMEDIATELY lest we fall victim to their sinful crimes!!!

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You don't still believe that crap do you? Come on when someone tells you a lie call it a lie.


Actually, Bush did a really good job on education in Texas. He planned to take some of those ideas and with him to Washington and make it a high priority. Then he ran into a Democrat Senate and got nowhere fast.

Perhaps now that the Republicans hold the Senate we can see some real action on education. We really need to do something to improve public schools.

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Actually, Bush did a really good job on education in Texas. He planned to take some of those ideas and with him to Washington and make it a high priority. Then he ran into a Democrat Senate and got nowhere fast.

Perhaps now that the Republicans hold the Senate we can see some real action on education. We really need to do something to improve public schools.


Ideas are one thing, btw Bush's are crap. I'm talking about resource allocation. If Bush cared about education he would be funding it instead of cutting taxes for the ultrarich.

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Evil evil communists, arent they? I mean, the communists promote equality for all....SO DO THE DEMS! Only communists raise taxes, right? THE DEMS DO THAT TOO!!! Then they fund those evil evil social program But then again, all they want is MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE.....Those evil CAPITALISTS!!!!!!

And lets not get in about how the dems dont want to go in and begin slaughtering innocent civilians I mean why not? Red *IS* the color of the gawd-damned red flag, so why wouldnt they want to see it? Plus, its a kewl color

And argh!!! Those dems want us to be able to SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT!!! See how unpatriotic they are?! They wanna preserve protests, flag burning, free speech.....This is completly outrageous.

And those unpatriotic democrats actually LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES SAY!!!! Dont they understand that the rest of the world is simply there to serve US?! We should enslave the fools!

But the most ridiculous things the dems do (at least the males) is having sex I mean come on, WHO HERE IN AMERICA would ever do such a thing?! Sex is virtually nonexistent in OUR society....

We must oust all democrats IMMEDIATELY lest we fall victim to their sinful crimes!!!


I agree. A lot of democrats are communists. They never saw a corporation they liked. Their constant urge is to nationalize everything. To them, private enterprise is evil, something that has to be controlled by government and taxed into extinction.

Democrats. Communists. Is there a difference, really?

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Tas,

Why don't you tell us what the dems have actually done for us instead of all the crap they talk about doing?

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Duncan, throwing money at public schools is the historical answer. It has not worked.

Did you know that the per capita amount we spend on students in public schools greatly exceeds that we spend on them in private schools. And yet, the quality of education in the private schools greatly exceeds that of public schools.

Money cannot be the issue.

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Duncan, throwing money at public schools is the historical answer. It has not worked.

Did you know that the per capita amount we spend on students in public schools greatly exceeds that we spend on them in private schools. And yet, the quality of education in the private schools greatly exceeds that of public schools.

Money cannot be the issue.


Why don't you tell me how making public schools private schools will improve them?

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Democrats. Communists. Is there a difference, really?


Nope. They are both worse than HITLER!!!

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Why don't you tell us what the dems have actually done for us instead of all the crap they talk about doing?


DUH. Dont you get it?

The communists (dems) havent done A BIT of good!!!!! Learn to read and then go re-read my post....

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Actually, Bush did a really good job on education in Texas. He planned to take some of those ideas and with him to Washington and make it a high priority. Then he ran into a Democrat Senate and got nowhere fast.


That's not true. The Texas "education miracle" is a myth. (Bush didn't do much of anything anyway. People seem to forget the TX government is such that the Governor actually has less power than the Lt. Governor, and far less than the state legislature).

Anyhoo:

http://www.rand.org/publications/IP/IP202/

Texas didn't improve education, they improved test scores, and no better than the national average for the same time. And that was done by teachers focusing on passing the tests rather than actually teaching kids how to learn and use the information in any useful way.

"According to NAEP, Texas fourth graders were slightly more proficient in reading in 1998 than they were in 1994. However, the country as a whole also improved to about the same degree. Thus, there was nothing remarkable about reading score gains in Texas. In contrast, the increase in fourth grade math scores in Texas was significantly greater than it was nationwide. However, the small improvements in NAEP eighth grade math scores were consistent with those observed nationally. The gains in scores between fourth and eighth grade in Texas also were consistent with national trends. In short, except for fourth grade math, the gains in Texas were comparable to those experienced nationwide during this time period.
In all the analyses, including fourth grade math, the gains on the TAAS were several times greater than they were on NAEP. Hence, how much a Texas student's proficiency in reading and math actually improved depends almost entirely on whether the assessment of that student's skills relies on NAEP scores (which are based on national content frameworks) or TAAS scores (which are based on tests that are aligned with Texas' own content standards and are administered by the classroom teacher)."

And the racial gap did not narrow at all, contrary to Bush's claims.

"In 1998, the mean fourth grade NAEP reading score for whites in Texas was one full standard deviation higher than the mean for blacks. To put this in perspective, the average black student was at roughly the 38th percentile among all Texas test takers whereas the average white student was at about the 67th percentile. This gap was slightly larger than the difference between these groups in 1994. In other words, the black-white reading gap actually increased during this four-year period. The same pattern was present in fourth and eighth grade math scores (see Figure 4a). "

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The communists (dems) havent done A BIT of good!!!!! Learn to read and then go re-read my post....


Oh

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That's not true. The Texas "education miracle" is a myth. (Bush didn't do much of anything anyway. People seem to forget the TX government is such that the Governor actually has less power than the Lt. Governor, and far less than the state legislature).

Anyhoo:

http://www.rand.org/publications/IP/IP202/

Texas didn't improve education, they improved test scores, and no better than the national average for the same time. And that was done by teachers focusing on passing the tests rather than actually teaching kids how to learn and use the information in any useful way.

"According to NAEP, Texas fourth graders were slightly more proficient in reading in 1998 than they were in 1994. However, the country as a whole also improved to about the same degree. Thus, there was nothing remarkable about reading score gains in Texas. In contrast, the increase in fourth grade math scores in Texas was significantly greater than it was nationwide. However, the small improvements in NAEP eighth grade math scores were consistent with those observed nationally. The gains in scores between fourth and eighth grade in Texas also were consistent with national trends. In short, except for fourth grade math, the gains in Texas were comparable to those experienced nationwide during this time period.
In all the analyses, including fourth grade math, the gains on the TAAS were several times greater than they were on NAEP. Hence, how much a Texas student's proficiency in reading and math actually improved depends almost entirely on whether the assessment of that student's skills relies on NAEP scores (which are based on national content frameworks) or TAAS scores (which are based on tests that are aligned with Texas' own content standards and are administered by the classroom teacher)."

And the racial gap did not narrow at all, contrary to Bush's claims.

"In 1998, the mean fourth grade NAEP reading score for whites in Texas was one full standard deviation higher than the mean for blacks. To put this in perspective, the average black student was at roughly the 38th percentile among all Texas test takers whereas the average white student was at about the 67th percentile. This gap was slightly larger than the difference between these groups in 1994. In other words, the black-white reading gap actually increased during this four-year period. The same pattern was present in fourth and eighth grade math scores (see Figure 4a). "


Boris, your wrong.

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My wrong what?

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My wrong what?


Texas is the best state for education. There is no racial divide. Bush is the best leader ever.

Plus, your just a communist....what do you know?

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Tass,

You're = you are
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Tass,

You're = you are
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I'm right, and so you have to resort to correcting my word use ON THE INTERNET.

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Tass,

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Yeah, you're grammer is bad

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Actually, I think Roosevelt was a very good president. So was Kennedy - although it was he who got us into Vietnam by assassinating Diem, by taking over command of the ARVN and by putting 30,000 GI's into "advise."

What I have a strong objection to are the Democrats since Kennedy.

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Actually, I think Roosevelt was a very good president. So was Kennedy - although it was he who got us into Vietnam by assassinating Diem, by taking over command of the ARVN and by putting 30,000 GI's into "advise."

What I have a strong objection to are the Democrats since Kennedy.


How about the Republicans since Kennedy? Pretty damn sucky.

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How about the Republicans since Kennedy? Pretty damn sucky.


The only one I don't object to is Ford, who did exactly what he should have in his situation--nothing.

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How about the Republicans since Kennedy? Pretty damn sucky.


I credit Nixon for getting us out of Vietnam. He should have escallated the bombing sooner, because that was what forced NV into a deal.

I didn't like much of anything else he did, though.

Ford was an idiot.

Carter was a failure other than Camp David.

Reagan was a success for the tax cuts and for standing up to the USSR.

Bush I was a failure because of the tax increases and because he left Saddam in power.

So looking back, on the whole, only Reagan was a really successful Republican president in this timeframe.

I only wish all Republican presidents could have the vision of Lincoln, Teddy R, and Eisenhower.

And, let me say, the Dems have a good number of very good presidents, including Jefferson, Polk, Roosevelt and to some extent Kennedy.

The book is not yet even fully open on the current president. The war on terror has gone well. As well, I am pursuaded on Iraq.

I did not understand, though, the need for steel tarriffs.

Finally, last April, I was very angry at Bush for obvious tilt to the Palestinians in the face of the worst terror campaign in history. It is good that Sharon ignored Bush and did what needed to be done.

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Ford wasn't an idiot. He knew he was unelected and had no mandate to do anything, so he did nothing. Smart man!

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No president has had any vision since Kennedy and Johnson. The presidents that you mention have followed the typical Republican agenda, increase military spending, take petty military action, and cut taxes. I don't think any of that makes you great, and I disagree that America has done well under such agenda. I think the next president with a new agenda will be a Democrat though. The Republicans tend to want to prevent progress more than have a vision for progress.

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But DuncanK,
Clinton didn't follow that agenda so that means he was great?
He slashed military spending, jacked taxes, but he did do the petty military thing.

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Duncan, You an I strongly disagree on Reagan.

What an inspirational presidency!

 
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