20-03-2003 07:42									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Hmm I agree that there will be many unnecessary casualties, but several hundred thousand is a bit much... You'd be bombing Iraq with some serious napalm to kill that amount of people... of course, much depends on how the Iraqi are going to defend themselves...

Last time American bombs that destroyed Iraqis irrigation system (which btw, is a war crime) caused deaths of hundreds of thousands Iraqis people.

	20-03-2003 07:44									#62
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quote: Obviously this is how they definate "freedom".

You'll see how we define freedom in a few hours when Basra is liberated...

	20-03-2003 07:44									#63
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It's Bush: "The war has begun, we are right, we wil prevail, pray for the troops, God Bless America" speech. It is standard for presidents to give it once military action begins.

	20-03-2003 07:46									#64
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Quoting from CNN: Pentagon source says cruise missiles were launched against a "target of opportunity".....

	20-03-2003 07:46									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ming The White House just made a one line statement saying it has started. Bush is scheduled to speak to the American people in half an hour.

War has begun.......

This is horrifying

	20-03-2003 07:46									#66
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LOL yup, and it's got extra entertainment value if Bush says it...

Bush and his "evil-doers" and his folly God pretty good stuff!

	20-03-2003 07:47									#67
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I suppose it is intended to rally the American people to the cause of war ?

	20-03-2003 07:48									#68
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Yup.

Like he needs to speak to do so. Shouldn't be too long, maybe 15 min. max, MAx.

	20-03-2003 07:50									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You'll see how we define freedom in a few hours when Basra is liberated...

Liberated, my ass.
Liberated from Iraqis army, who defend their own country?
You act as agressors and invaders, you can't liberate anything by definition.

	20-03-2003 07:54									#70
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We will liberate them from their dictatorship, however in the process we shall destroy them.

	20-03-2003 08:07									#72
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Just heard on ABC that someone on the official Iraqi news network said, 'finally, the day we have been waiting for has arrived', then was abruptly pulled off the air.

	20-03-2003 08:11									#73
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Care to translate Propaganda ? The only word I understand is "Politika"

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I heard that the radio takeover may have been part of the "psy ops" the U.S. is undertaking....too soon to tell though....

	20-03-2003 08:16									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Care to translate Propaganda ? The only word I understand is "Politika"

"The policies of the US are policies of war and social hardship."

or:

"US politics lead to war and social hardship."

	20-03-2003 08:35									#76
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Overthrowing regimes goes against the UN Charter, starting wars of aggression goes against the UN Charter.

And this damn country still has veto power??????

We are living in a really ****ed up world.

	20-03-2003 08:41									#77
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Indeed Master Zen...but nothing we can do about it yet, other than protesting and having all the patience necessary....only time will tell if things will ever change.

	20-03-2003 08:41									#78
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Master Zen : powerful countries have always been dictated their will to the world, nothing new here. It has also always been the beginning of their downfall, nothing new here either.

Edit : is it just me or the number of Iraqi flags has grown impressively today ?

	20-03-2003 08:42									#79
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Sometimes I wish America WOULD rid itself of the UN. See how you guys manage when you lose our *considerable* dues.

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EDITED BY MING... Changing the C in the C- Word to a K, DOESN"T MAKE IT ANY MORE ACCEPTABLE.

DO IT AGAIN, AND YOU ARE TOAST

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Yeah Veto, we want the NPT to cllapse, so that any jusitifcation we would have to strike at NK and Iraqn for making nukes would disappear, along with our basing rights around the world! That's a great thing to wish for

	20-03-2003 08:46									#82
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a bad argumenbt sorry

	20-03-2003 08:46									#83
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Thanks, Gangerolf.

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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Overthrowing regimes goes against the UN Charter, starting wars of aggression goes against the UN Charter. And this damn country still has veto power?????? We are living in a really ****ed up world.

USA should be excluded from UN.

	20-03-2003 08:49									#85
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We may live in a F**ked up world but his glorious Imperial Majesty George Bush II and his wise Administration will help us lesser nations through the difficult times.

I for one am so glad that my small and humble nation has been allowed to send our well-equipped troops along this crusade for freedom and justice.

I am also glad that the bloated and lefty circus of the UN has been slain to pave the way for our righteous crusade against any regeime that dares have anything we want. Some of those little nations in Europe were getting a bit uppity.

Be warned evil doers, Bush's America is not taking any cr*p anymore so don't get any ideas of trying to live your own lives.

	20-03-2003 08:50									#86
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Serb : don't you understand USA's strongest desire was to make the UN respected ? You are truly living in a fantasy world

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Thanks, Gangerolf.

no problem. I meant what I said.

and sorry Ming

	20-03-2003 08:53									#88
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UN is doing the same thing that the Leage of Nation was doing, and we see what happened to the League.

	20-03-2003 08:55									#89
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Aside from Iraq, I think Putin is coming out of this looking very smart. He is maintaining good relations with America, and thus, keeping the guarantee of aid to Russia. But he is also exploiting the upcoming rift beteen Europe and America to his own advantage. This may lead, hopefully, to extensive arms deals and defense pacts between Russia and her new European allies.

This may the beginining of a new rise for the Soviet Unio..I mean, Russia in the political and economic arena. That is, if all goes as planned.

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Well, Verto, the problem with that is that, given the afct the US was never art of the league, Germany, Japan, and Italy had left it by 1936, and the soviets only came in in 1934, comparing the UN to the league is a tad...incorrect.

You also forget what the fall of the league lead to..not some small war, but a global conflagration. Do you really hope for WW3? Are you hoping that perhaps by the end of the year we get wars with NK, Iran, and who knows who else?