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D'uh.
Still the poorest country in Europe because of Hoxha, basically a dump, butt-licking US to get economic support, which pretty obvious if you know details about the country.
Same as UK, except that some people actually support the war.
Neighbour of Georgia, same reasons apply
Giving US foreign support to gain, in contrary, support from US. This is the case in many eastern Europe countries, which are in a marginal position, with an devastation economic conditions.
Drugs. Civil war.
Czech leader doesn't have any support from his people... contrary, the nation's pretty stabile and in good condition, not just trying to butt-lick US.
I'm impressed, to be honest.
In terms of land area, a tiny country in the Latin America.
This nation is in full-scale civil war, isn't it?
Giving US foreign support to gain, in contrary, support from US.
I'm not 100% certain of Eritrea, but THIS nation is in a full-scale civil war.
US Troops in the area, trying to lick US butts to get US troops to lessen the Russian effect.
Same reasons as in Bulgaria
Berlusconi is a corrupted criminal. I think we all understand what a joke he is. Anti-war demonstrations have dragged millions to the streets.
W00t.
Giving US foreign support to gain, in contrary, support from US.
A different reasons, varying from the same reasons as in Albania and eastern Europe.
W00t.
Latin American, unstable country.
Licking US butt to gain some troops to upkeep the despotism in the area.
W00t.
 Not surprised, this is the most typical eastern European country.  
W00t.
Same reasons as in UK.
I haven't gathered enough information to talk about this case.
People oppose the war, PM has been commited to support Bush.
Small, marginal country near China and Russia. Guess what the reason is.
Anyway, that leaves us with:
Afganistan, Australia, Denmark, Czech rep, Japan, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, UK, Spain and Turkey.
Possibly Eritrea and South Korea.
EDIT: Added one country which I forgot. Hmmh.
Last edited by VJ on 21-03-2003 at 12:17
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Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't know the meaning of complacency, but if it means "believing in your own intrinsic superiority without questioning yourself", I completely agree with you. |
You both are right: a great empire will fall because both of its complacency and arrogance. Complacency destroys its inherent strength and competitiveness, while arrogance blinds it from obvious threat. If we Americans are arrogant, you Europeans are the complacent ones.
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Lord Merciless
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Originally posted by Azazel
Actually, arrogance didn't kill them. lack of technological innovation, a crumbling buraeucracy, internal stife, and the instability of power.
I don't see these things in the US.
People don't give arrogance enough credit these days. It is much better than being overly insecure of yourself. |
More like complacency. "Bread and Circus", excessive welfare, overtaxation, and bureaucratization will destroy even the greatest civilizations.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Hollywood, democrats, democrats, the IRS... Oh oh. |
Democrats are hardline right-wing conservatives compared to Europeans.
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:26
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Originally posted by Lincoln
The list includes countries which are providing troops, over-flight or basing rights, logistical support |
Hmmm, let's see... Despite the fact that Germany is providing both over-flight and basing rights, and our troops are requested to protect the american bases and the families of the american soldiers against attacks of evil terrorists, which they do without a single complaint, we are still insulted by our former ally.
Personally I think, we should deny over-flight rights, kick the foreign bases (for a start, denying them fresh water will work), pull the AWACS and Patriots out of Turkey and Israel, the "peacekeepers" out of the Balkans and Afghanistan and the Anti-NBC units out of Kuwait and leave stupid and useless NATO. But that's just me. Unfortunately, our government thinks otherwise.
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Lincoln
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Hmmm, let's see... Despite the fact that Germany is providing both over-flight and basing rights, and our troops are requested to protect the american bases and the families of the american soldiers against attacks of evil terrorists, which they do without a single complaint, we are still insulted by our former ally.
Personally I think, we should deny over-flight rights, kick the foreign bases (for a start, denying them fresh water will work), pull the AWACS and Patriots out of Turkey and Israel, the "peacekeepers" out of the Balkans and Afghanistan and the Anti-NBC units out of Kuwait and leave stupid and useless NATO. But that's just me. Unfortunately, our government thinks otherwise. |
I don't remember if the BBC article pointed it out but there is supposedly a list of nations who support the war effort but do not want to admit as much. We might call this the "silent majority". 
By the way, if I was a German I wouldn't want any smelly US troops in my country either. Yankee go home! (And take McDonalds with you.)
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Sir Ralph
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Long live teh Schwampel!
Dec 2001
time: 06:26
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Originally posted by Lincoln
By the way, if I was a German I wouldn't want any smelly US troops in my country either. Yankee go home! (And take McDonalds with you.) |
Well, I don't have anything against the Bases as such. I count them useless, since nobody threatens Europe anymore, but they don't disturb me. I don't have problems with the GIs and their families either.
However, combined with the current anti european babble, I begin to see them more a threat than a protection. I sincerely hope for a regime change in Washington next year, so that relations can calm down a bit. On the long run, these bases will undoubtly be moved farther east, to get closer to Russia, so the "problem" with the useless bases will solve itself.
I have nothing against Mickey D's. It's not Maxim's or Kempinski, that's true, but for a quick lunch inbetween it's ok. I couldn't stand it, if it was the only source of food, but with all the Greek, Turkish, Italian and Asian restaurants I have enough alternatives. By the way, I prefer Burger King over McDonalds, but that's just me .
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