21-03-2003 21:58									#1
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Not anything to do with Classic Rock; rather a continuing effort to get people to look ahead.

Who next gets the attention of the "sleeping giants", now that they've been awakened ?
BTW, don't be shocked, again.
"Terrorism, wherever it's found". Old news.


Phillipines, it says here.

	21-03-2003 22:01									#2
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Iran, if you have the balls.

	21-03-2003 22:01									#3
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Who ever it is will have to wait a bit. We're a bit stretched right now.

	21-03-2003 22:03									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Iran, if you have the balls.

We aren't going to take care of your problems for you.

	21-03-2003 22:05									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Iran, if you have the balls.

Now that's funny.

	21-03-2003 22:05									#6
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quote: We aren't going to take care of your problems for you.

If Iraq is your problem, then Iran definitely is.

	21-03-2003 22:08									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Iran, if you have the balls.

It would be much more productive to work with the reform movement there that has already been making strides. Military action would be just make things worse.

Same with N. Korea. The regime is on the verge of collapse, a few nudges in the right places and it will all come down, much like East Germany. We just have to make sure that the South is ready for it, and let them to most of the talking.

At least that's the way I see things.

	21-03-2003 22:17									#8
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Reform shmeform. It's all bullshit. Iran is keeping low profile in an attempt to get nukes without western interference and "reforms" is a part of that.

	21-03-2003 22:22									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Reform shmeform. It's all bullshit. Iran is keeping low profile in an attempt to get nukes without western interference and "reforms" is a part of that.

Israeli bloodlust.

	21-03-2003 22:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Reform shmeform. It's all bullshit. Iran is keeping low profile in an attempt to get nukes without western interference and "reforms" is a part of that.

Yeah right, Khatami is just a figurehead, a PR pointman for the mullahs.

	21-03-2003 22:24									#11
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I've always held out hope for Iran. First, they are not part of the Arab League so they get avoid much of that bad influence. Second, they were once somewhat westernized so they've proven they can change. Third, with Iraq gone and the Soviets long gone, the have no more enemies on their borders.

Willem is right. The reform movement shows promise and is rumored to have the support (openly or not) of most of the population.

	21-03-2003 22:26									#12
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Baba O'Reilly!

	21-03-2003 22:29									#13
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Depends if Bush wins the next election or not, or if he decides to make the senate appoint him president for life. Phillipnes do seem like a good bet though, it's a easy operation compared to this one as the US hardly has to deal that much with the international community or the UN for that one. I'd guess that Bush will try to stay away from that for a while.

	21-03-2003 22:34									#14
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If North Korea crosses the "red line" and starts producing nukes this summer, their plant will be destroyed. The US will then pause and warn them that any response will be met with an overwhelming US response. In meantime, US is pressuring China to corrall the N.Koreans under the threat of nukes in Japan. The Pentagon and Cheney bot feel strongly that N. Korea has to be dealt with now even of that involves a military conflict.

I think Iran is not going to do much on the nuke front with 200,000 US troops occupying Iraq for the next two years. The US will in no circumstances allow the current Iranian regime to develop nuclear weapons.

	21-03-2003 22:38									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Yeah right, Khatami is just a figurehead, a PR pointman for the mullahs.

No. He is a man that made a decision to do everything to get nuclear weapons, and showing the west how enlighted he supposedly is is part of the plan.

	21-03-2003 22:40									#16
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Maybe people are not having a proper perspective over this Nuke-scare. Now, I'm not saying that there's no danger in countries under questionable regims having nukes but there's still a hard fact from the cold war that still applies: "You nuke, you die." The problem, if you would like to call it that, is that you can't invade countries that have nukes. A terrorist organization or something like that (religious loonies of some sort) with nukes is probably much worse.

	21-03-2003 22:43									#17
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Iran is on 'the list'.
Bush has stated they need to take on a more democratic government, which the people of Iran want.

	21-03-2003 22:46									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Eli No. He is a man that made a decision to do everything to get nuclear weapons, and showing the west how enlighted he supposedly is is part of the plan.

Good Lord, are all the people in your country that paranoid? I doubt if he even has anything to do with the nuclear program, that would most likely be the decision of the mullahs. Don't be so full of suspicion that you can no longer see an opportunity when it presents itself. Everything I've read indicates to me that Khatami sincerely wants a more democratic Iran. He's their version of Gorbachev.

	21-03-2003 22:49									#19
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Iran, hmm? Have fun...

	21-03-2003 22:52									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Eli No. He is a man that made a decision to do everything to get nuclear weapons, and showing the west how enlighted he supposedly is is part of the plan.

Sounds quite a lot like Israel back in the days...

	21-03-2003 22:53									#21
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Funny how we haven't even finished with this one, let alone started the occupation, and the cowboys are bored already.

	21-03-2003 22:54									#22
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Well, there's a Texan for ya.

	21-03-2003 22:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Funny how we haven't even finished with this one, let alone started the occupation, and the cowboys are bored already.

Yeah, and that's exactly what scares the rest of us.

	21-03-2003 22:56									#24
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So occupation of Iraq, preparation of an attack on Iran, and checking North Korea.

Hey Mike, how many divisions lacking?

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I am sure you wouldn't be talkin' so much if Mike wasn't on your side, Roland.

	21-03-2003 23:00									#26
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I'd be talking even more to make up for the gap.

	21-03-2003 23:05									#27
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actually, I don't think that the US will attack Iran. I don't even think it should, at least not currently. I think that the US should try to impose it's culture on Iraq first.

	21-03-2003 23:08									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Well, there's a Texan for ya.

Not exactly. There's a Planner for ya. A man of vision.

As compared to people who sit with eyes shut, hands over their ears, humming loudly so as to not hear reason.

Proaction beats the stuffing out of reaction every time.

	21-03-2003 23:28									#29
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Proaction beats the stuffing out of reaction every time.

But don't forget, "Only fools rush in where angels fear to tread." Would you run across the road if there was a chance you get hit by a transport truck?

	21-03-2003 23:31									#30
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Well, Iran WILL be surrounded...troops in Iraq and in Afghanistan...though I doubt the Brits, Aussies, and others in the coalition will go for it.