27-03-2003 03:17									#61
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DD: you weren't getting a UNSC resolution and that was obvious.

If you had we'd probably have tossed in a couple of CF-18s and allowed our ships in the region to take a more direct role in the war. Which would have made us the 4th biggest partner in your little coalition...

	27-03-2003 03:31									#62
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The sooner the Bushies are out of power, the faster the US wil gain back its faith with old allies.

quote: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, FYROM, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Kuwait, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Palau, Portugal, Rwanda, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Uganda

There's at best 10 states there that matter, and the list of missing is much more substantial, not only in numbers, but in general importance. Just take South America:

with the US: Colombia (just got 1 billion form the US)
Not with the US: everyone else.

Yeah, that list is amazing.....

	27-03-2003 03:32									#63
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ThePantaloonDog thanks for clarifying. I'll try to get in the spirit of the thing.

War bad. Peace good.
I know ya are but what am I?
I know ya are but what am I?
I KNOW YA ARE BUT WHAT AM I?
Spurious attack.
Random factoid twisted to support my position.
Vicious, but incoherent flame.

BTW, Turkey gets to be part of the 'supporting countries' just by allowing overflights and maybe not attacking the Kurds too much? Heck. Let the US fly over Canada if that is all it takes.

	27-03-2003 03:40									#64
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Hide Saddam! The great Marshall Islands army is coming!!!

	27-03-2003 03:43									#65
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I agree that countries may disagree with the policy and actions of the United States for ulterior motives, or a secret agenda.

But to say that as if to imply that the United States itself has no ulterior motive or secret agenda to invade Iraq is fallicious.

	27-03-2003 03:43									#66
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Conan had a great bit about that:

BUt I guess they don't want to anger their three previous imperial overlords, Spain, Japan, and the US.

	27-03-2003 04:03									#67
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Only five states have sent soldiers, and only three have sent more than a thousand troops. The coalition of the willing is nothing more than a pack of sycopahnts.

I'm reminded of that little dog in the old Warner Brothers cartoons thatkeeps bouncing around the big tough bulldog, utterly useless accept to feed the big dog's ego.

BTW, Chris, the US never had nine votes. Sure, maybe six nations wouldn't have voted the resolution down if the French had vetoed, but that's like saying a person would decide not to go swimming if someone emptied the pool. If France vetoes, no one else has to do a thing. It's a moot argument.

And while you keep harping on how the UN wasn't enforcing its own resolutions, it bears repeating that Resolution 1441 required that any nations who had intelligence on Iraq's weapons program share it with the inspectors. The US failed to do so. The US violated the very resolution it claims to be enforcing.

	27-03-2003 04:09									#68
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quote: Hide Saddam! The great Marshall Islands army is coming!!!

Behind them we have Palau and the Solomons for reinforcement.

"
After three decades as part of the UN Trust Territory of the Pacific under US administration, this westernmost cluster of the Caroline Islands opted for independence in 1978 rather than join the Federated States of Micronesia. A Compact of Free Association with the US was approved in 1986, but not ratified until 1993. It entered into force the following year when the islands gained independence. "

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/ps.html


some Coalition, if you can pad those numbers.

	27-03-2003 04:47									#69
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Oh, I see how it works. The Americans tell us we should invade someone, and we just go along with it, no questions asked, because they would help us if the Red River floods again. Right on.

Well, here's the thing, Cellucci: We DID help you after 9-11. We sent troops to Afghanistan, we sent firefighters and aid to New York... but we did not give you free reign on deciding our foreign policies.

And I am no fan of Chretien, but I do support some of his infamous "legacy" actions: no war, aid for Africa, electoral reform... (but we differ on the gun registry... oh man, that damn gun registry...)

As for what the Libs had to say:

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WHAT LIBERALS HAVE SAID ABOUT THE U.S.:

Herb Dhaliwal, March 19: "I think the world expects someone who is the President of a superpower to be a statesman. I think he has let, not only Americans, but the world down by not being a statesman."
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I agree completely, Herb, and I have no idea why anyone would make a fuss out of that comment.

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MP Carolyn Parrish, Feb. 26: "Damn Americans. I hate those bastards."
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That was a stupid and inappopriate joke.

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Jean Chrétien, Feb. 13: "Great strength is not always perceived by others as benign. Not everyone around the world is prepared to take the word of the United States on faith."
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That's almost eloquent, Jean.

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MP Colleen Beaumier, Jan. 29: "This is a war against children. No matter how you slice it, there is more to this war than the Bush regime and the Saddam Hussein regime. How many children are we going to kill to replace that regime?"
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Eh, that's taking it too far, Mme. Beaumier.

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MP Benoît Serré, Jan. 29: "George Bush is very trigger-happy. "
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True, but erring on the side of bad taste.

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Françoise Ducros, Nov. 20, 2002: "What a moron," she said, referring to Bush.
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Impolite.

	27-03-2003 05:08									#70
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But true.

	27-03-2003 05:15									#71
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Chretien was right - it's not as if the US trades with Canada because they want to be "nice", but because it is to their advantage. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot by imposing trade sanctions on their largest trading partner then they should go ahead.

This whole debate is just handbags at twenty paces fanned by the laughing stock Harper and his merry men the joke party the (Anti-)Canadian Alliance.

	27-03-2003 05:28									#72
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Let me guess, the Canadian alliance is a bunch of Albertans only wishing to be part of the US ?

	27-03-2003 05:37									#73
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Are you a Canadian?

	27-03-2003 05:53									#74
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The Americans were there for us right at the start in 1914 and 1939, fighting with us without any question so naturally we should join the US in its attack against little ol' Iraq.

	27-03-2003 05:54									#75
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Nope, i'm a Frenchman
But I've read enough Canadians here to have developed predjudices on Albertans vs other Canadians. But show me a blank Canada map, and I might confuse Alberta with Ontario

	27-03-2003 05:55									#76
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quote: The Americans were there for us right at the start in 1914 and 1939, fighting with us without any question so naturally we should join the US in its attack against little ol' Iraq.

Ding ding! Yes, exactly; perfect point.

Obviously, Saddam is much more of a threat than two imposing alliances of modernised nations...

	27-03-2003 05:57									#77
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quote: But I've read enough Canadians here to have developed predjudices on Albertans vs other Canadians. But show me a blank Canada map, and I might confuse Alberta with Ontario

Hey, we're not all evil! Alberta gets a bad rap, I tells ya...

We're actually all fun-loving socialists, it's just that Klein gives us a bad image! I swear!

	27-03-2003 06:02									#78
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quote: Originally posted by cinch We're actually all fun-loving socialists, it's just that Klein gives us a bad image! I swear!

And NYE

	27-03-2003 06:03									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Nope, i'm a Frenchman But I've read enough Canadians here to have developed predjudices on Albertans vs other Canadians. But show me a blank Canada map, and I might confuse Alberta with Ontario

Just pointing out that you were eerily accurate with your assessment.

	27-03-2003 06:04									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The Americans were there for us right at the start in 1914 and 1939, fighting with us without any question so naturally we should join the US in its attack against little ol' Iraq.

Indeed. And never forget their great contribution to the Boer War...

	27-03-2003 06:04									#81
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Oh my! We've put off a French communist.

What ever would we be doing to do that? What ever it is, we should do more of it.

	27-03-2003 06:05									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Just pointing out that you were eerily accurate with your assessment.

Now, tell the truth, would you?

	27-03-2003 06:07									#83
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All right.

They've also convinced a small number of BCers to vote for them.

	27-03-2003 06:10									#84
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Come, come now. You can tell the whole truth, if you try.

	27-03-2003 06:11									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Sava My suspicion is that a lot of these "Anti-Ameicans" are simply "Anti-Bush". I could be wrong though. I probably am... oh hell, I'll save you guys the trouble. I"M WRONG

You are right, actually. Our anti-Americanism was quite jocular and amicable before Bush.

	27-03-2003 06:12									#86
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Come, come now. You can tell the whole truth, if you try.

What, that they're also fascinated with Quebec-bashing?

	27-03-2003 06:13									#87
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I figured that was part and parcel of the "wanting to be American" thing.

	27-03-2003 06:14									#88
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Or were you referring to their endemic homophobia?

Or perhaps their complete lack of cohesiveness and an inability to compromise in order to achieve political success?

	27-03-2003 06:17									#89
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: OTTAWA - Defence Minister John McCallum has ruled out sending Canadian ground troops to any war on Iraq. McCallum confirmed Thursday that the government's recent commitment of peacekeepers to Afghanistan will prevent it from sending ground forces anywhere else for at least a year. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/02/27/mccallum030227 We also have this post from Frogger: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...r=8#post1731349

So what do you expect us to do, abandon Afghanistan? That's just a simple case of not having any troops to spare, we're stretched as far as we can go. It's not a political decision, we just don't have the manpower. Rather selfish of you to insist that we leave Afghanistan to fend for itself, just so we can have a few troops to spare for your little war.

Not to mention the resources we're already lending in the war on terrorism. As Cellucci mentioned, even if we're not actively taking part in Iraq, we still have more troops and resources in the region than most of the ones who talk about supporting the war. They'll be helping in their own way, we just won't be blowing up or shooting Iraqis.

	27-03-2003 06:18									#90
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I was thinking more along the lines of them being the Official Opposition, because they have the second largest number of MPs in the country.

You might also note that they received quite a few votes in Ontario last go around.

But, that wouldn't fit your quaint little games, now would it?

btw, nice attempt at introducing 'bashing' as being significant. Ohhhh, the irony!