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The Apologist
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Wellington, New Zealand
Aug 1999
time: 17:27
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I recommend a lot of unrest (maybe even partisans) in the NATO camp. After all, their leaders cheated the Soviets at the end of WWII, having left the Russian people to do most of the fighting, prefering to negotiate with Fascists than stick with their allies! France and Italy would be particularly good candidates for 5th columns, Germany is a maybe.
I think that this is necessary, not just for verisimilitude, but also for game balance. Russia looks rather outmuscled and outmatched.
Considering the size of the "Red" camp, it'd probably be easier to make it just the one Civ, consisting of the Soviets + proxies. (It's conceivable that a lot of the countries that made up our timeline's Warsaw Pact became SSRs in Soviet Steel, anyway.)
You could use the extra civ slot for Japan... 
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jim panse
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Anvilvania
Oct 2002
time: 06:27
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quote:
Originally posted by The Apologist
I recommend a lot of unrest (maybe even partisans) in the NATO camp. After all, their leaders cheated the Soviets at the end of WWII, having left the Russian people to do most of the fighting, prefering to negotiate with Fascists than stick with their allies! France and Italy would be particularly good candidates for 5th columns, Germany is a maybe.
I think that this is necessary, not just for verisimilitude, but also for game balance. Russia looks rather outmuscled and outmatched.
Considering the size of the "Red" camp, it'd probably be easier to make it just the one Civ, consisting of the Soviets + proxies. (It's conceivable that a lot of the countries that made up our timeline's Warsaw Pact became SSRs in Soviet Steel, anyway.)
You could use the extra civ slot for Japan... |
I agree with this opinion. Stalim himself odered "his" fellow communist parties in Italy and France for example to gain the power without fighting out a civil war (like Greece where the USSR also stepped back from supporting the ELAS after 1945; Yugoslavia supported them, anyway); The communist parties of France and Italy were very strong but Stalin didn´t want them to be to agressive knowing that WW2 saw more than 13 million dead/missing Russian soldiers and Stalin also knew that he hadn´t survived the German assault without the USA [Germany invaded hte USSR in 1941 with approx. 3200 planes, 3000 tanks and 600.000 vehicles. During half a year in 1942 the US lent the USSR about 3000 planes, 3000 armored vehicles and 600.000 vehicles.]
In post-war Germany Communism had no real chance but the far-right was not as weak as today back in the 1940ies. Also a lot of former Wehrmacht officers including Gen. Blumentritt and Field Marshal von Manstein helped building up the Bundeswehr. And do not forget that the SHAPE planners not only ordered 30 German divisions for the defense of Western Europe but also looked that the rest of the NATO has a slight superiority over the newly formed German army. To be prepared for every opportunity .....
IMHO you should also think about Austria. Which ways the post-war history could have unfolded with e.g. the Berlin Crisis in 1948 lead to some partition in Austria too. Would there have been two "Austrian" States? Or would the promised independence be swept away by the rising conflict between the West and the East and Austria again become the Eastfold of (West-) Germany?
[This I mentioned not only because I´m an Austrian but because the main reason for the (neutral) Austria today is that Austria (and - of course - Switzerland are some kind of "Neutral Roadblock" in Central Europe. There were also detailed plans from both military organisations (NATO, Warsaw Pact) to ignore the Austrian Neutrality in the case of war ....]
Also do not neglect the importance of the US step-back in Korea. The US military would have won if the US policy would have supported this course. US Recon saw the Chinese armies North of the Yalu but the Air Force wasn´t allowed to crush them ....
The credibility of the US wasn´t that badly hurt as it was after the withdrawal from Vietnam.
And the last point now to add: To create even more tensions you may want the US to intervene in the "Indochina War" of France. The French Defense Ministry asked for US air support but the US didn´t want to get involved. The French told the US that "... (we) are defending the West in Indochina too ...."
You may use this also as some kind of trigger to create HUGE tension between the US and the USSR ....
That´s it for now, regards
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Iron Chancellor
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I like the Black Soviet flag, but I can't imagine the Russians abandoning Marx's favorite color.
So, is Austria to be divided? It depends on how your version of alternate history plays out. Seeing as Germany didn't lose, it may have held its August 1939 borders, less some of East Prussia, perhaps, or maybe Sudetenland.
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our_man
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Glasgow, Scotland
Oct 2000
time: 05:27
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If you're not planning to have WW3 kick off immediately Curt, but instead plan to base it depending on the capture of certain cities by either side, here's an idea you might consider.
First of all don't use the citycapture event to be the trigger - instead create a 'trigger' unit in a particular city (e.g. Havana) that, if destroyed ("unitkilled"), triggers the "makeaggression" event. Make them non-moving air units to prevent the AI from transporting them out of the city. You can then place these in as many cities as you want, greatly saving on event space.
It gets better - here's the beautiful part.
It involves using probably the most neglected trick in scenario design - multiple possible variations on the starting position of units using the .alt file. Create several different copies of the scenario, each one with the trigger units located in different cities. In this way the Americans capturing Havana might trigger a war with the Warsaw Pact, or it might, not depending on whether this particular scenario version has a trigger unit in Havana. As the player does not know what .alt file he is playing, he will be unable to predict which city captured will start WW3! 
Good examples of .alt scenarios are Microproses "Jules Verne" and techumsehs "Russian Civil War"
A more complicated and realistic version of this would be to have two trigger units placed in different cities. Each one by itself would not be enough to trigger a war, but when killed would give the opposing player a particular technology via events e.g. "Brink of War 1". Killing the other trigger would give the advance "Brink of War 2". These would be the prerequisites for a "Declaration of War" advance which the player could then research. By giving this tech a high AI value the computer could be made research it. Of course, against a human opponent there would be more discretion - choosing whether to go to war by researching this or not.
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Iron Chancellor
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Also, South Africa was still like by the West in 1950. IIRC, it wasn't till the 1980's that it came to be considered a "rogue" nation
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Palaiologos
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Constantinople, Queen of Cities
Aug 2002
time: 05:27
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quote:
Originally posted by jim panse
like Greece where the USSR also stepped back from supporting the ELAS after 1945; Yugoslavia supported them, anyway |
The only reason that the Yugoslavians supported them was that the traitorus communist leadership had promised their slavic brethen in Greece an "independant"(Yugoslavian vassal) Macedonia.
Fortunately after the 1944-49 war all these slavs in Greece were "repatriated" in Yugoslavia.
They formed a state with an expiry date called FYROM.
On topic:
Keep in mind that Turkey played a prominent role during the cold war, being the only NATO ally to have common borders with the Soviet Union.
They received huge aid by the USA.
Last edited by Palaiologos on 13-04-2003 at 04:48
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EmuGod
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Maybe in this alternatve history the USSR won the Russo-Finnish war and has established the Democratic Republic of Finland it was planning during that war....
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