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US weaponry sales go together with other things.
It's not a clear choice of what's better or cheaper but also what comes with the most geostrategic and political plus.
Do you think Tawain would even think of getting russian weaponry?
it will buy american for the leverage against china too.
and so on and so forth.
both american and russian weaponry is high tech in some US exels in others Russia but the price/quality ratio is not the only defining factor in buying of weaponry, as stated.
the Greek proposition of beefing up the european defence industry as a way to detach the dependence in american military technology AND leverage is also a part of this. and was welcomed by most europeans, except some who have chosen not to emancipate themselves and prefer to get free defence (and dictations) from the US.
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Bereta_Eder
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teh phoptos were not enough and were easily manipulated to give you what they wanted.
altering of truth is actually an everyday phenomenon for US media (capture of bagdat airport - where there was actually fierce fighting and the americans were pushed back - not that they wont come again, but just an example)
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spiritof1202
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
teh phoptos were not enough and were easily manipulated to give you what they wanted.
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The "City Center" road signs?
The shots of the Iraqi's fleeing their destruction at the bend in the Tigris (right in the heart of Baghdad) ?
Saddam's residential palace?
Not particularly easy to fake.
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Bereta_Eder
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LOL... actually there were reportage from international journalists on the scene of the airport showing iraqis celebrate when US media said the airport was captured....
some credibility
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Bereta_Eder
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mad monk im talking about the video of american priosoners (and many many other videos) you never saw
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spiritof1202
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So, just to confirm paiktis...
are the Iraqi's in control of the airport?
are there coalition troops in central Baghdad?
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Bereta_Eder
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also videos of burned american helicopters, LOTS of american tanks.... all burned up.
another interesting story is how the US bombs its own tanks after they're taken down by the iraqis as to make them unrecognisable.
but you also didnt know that - pressumably.
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Bereta_Eder
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I already said american forces would return for the airport, and with the massive difference between the two armies will eventually capture it.
we're talking about US made up things though... such as the captured airport... where what actually happened was an attack by the US and a sucesful counteroffensive by the iraqis which pushed them back...
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Bereta_Eder
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What is the question Ming?
Is it that US media proclaimed that they had captured the airport when int. journalists broadcasted iraqis celebrating in it?
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spiritof1202
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
also videos of burned american helicopters, LOTS of american tanks.... all burned up.
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a while ago:
two different videos of the same apache, filmed from different sides
and recently:
two different videos of the same tank, filmed from different sides, that was abandoned and not killed.
there have also been shots of burnt up BMP-1's (two rear doors and tracks,) that have been passed off as a bradley.
Iraqi propaganda is a joke.
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spiritof1202
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
What is the question Ming?
Is it that US media proclaimed that they had captured the airport when int. journalists broadcasted iraqis celebrating in it? |
you mean the visit to the airport prior to the capture?
If they still control it and killed so many Americans, why no recent pictures now?
They've not offered to take any journalists to the airport, yet claim to have masacred the US there. It's just a joke.
And not a very convincing one.
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Bereta_Eder
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American propaganda is a joke too.
Especially the manipualtion of info that arrives at american audiences.
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Bereta_Eder
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The iraqi office saying there are no american inside bagdat is a lie too.
just as many american lies are being said and have already be proven to be propaganda.
as to which is more credible, I cant take a vow.
I dont think anyone is taking for granted either american/british or iraqi news
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Bereta_Eder
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the main difference between iraqi and american manipulation of info and propagnda is this IMO:
1) iraqis exagerate their military victories
2) americans understate the civilian casualties.
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spiritof1202
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just as many?
The entire speech by the Iraqi Information Ministry for the last 4 days has been one long lie.
You know he's lying, because his lips are moving.
The Iraqi's claim to be winning, but they are being slaughtered, and surrendering wholesale.
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Bereta_Eder
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the iraqis have brought up a big resistance that wasnt imagined (was the biggest fear) of the US.
that they are slaughtered, yes, you are unfortunately very right.
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spiritof1202
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
the main difference between iraqi and american manipulation of info and propagnda is this IMO:
1) iraqis exagerate their military victories
2) americans understate the civilian casualties. |
Which military victories? They've been claiming that they've won battles and routed troops. This just hasn't happened. Its a bold-faced lie.
Regarding the underestimation of civilian casualties, can you actually provide evidence of this understatement, by the Pentagon?
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Bereta_Eder
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holding back vastly superior forces is a victory no matter how temporary.
and of course there's no question about US media when it comes to showing the Iraqi civilians who are slaughterd. they simply dont to the extend that they are killed.
for example a house was bombed 3 children were killed another one of 1.5 years of old was then shot to the head and body (still alive, miracusly).
the name of that family is (or rather was) Husein.
you can imagine what is going on. actually you dont have to, just getting european news would be enough.
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spiritof1202
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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
the iraqis have brought up a big resistance that wasnt imagined (was the biggest fear) of the US.
that they are slaughtered, yes, you are unfortunately very right. |
A big resistance is "a big an opposing or retarding force". It seems to me that Iraqi forces have not slowed Coalition forces in any significant manner.
They don't know whether to surrender, abandon their posts or commit suicide, first.
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