08-04-2003 00:02									#91
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 holding back vastly superior forces is a victory no matter how temporary.

Where has this holding back actually occured, exactly?

It seems to me there has been a constant power projection towards Baghdad, in what is, the quickest maneuver warfare in history.

	08-04-2003 00:03									#92
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Update for Paitikis: The airport has been in American hands for about three days now. It was the base for Saturday's incursion into Baghdad. The journalists who were going to be taken to "see the airport" weren't taken. There never was a successful counterattack in which they were pushed back.

And Basra has been taken (the Brits are reluctant to use the word "secured", but I think "taken" is reasonable), and the Americans are still in central Baghdad, occupying at least one Presidential palace (unless they've pulled out in the last hour or so).

	08-04-2003 00:03									#93
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Ming, you can't honestly expect me not to make fun of somebody who trusts Russian and Iraqi news reports? He talked about a three day war, something nobody in America had ever mentioned, and I get chewed out for making fun of him? He's so full of it, his eyes are brown.

If mincing little trolls are a protected species at this site, feel free to ban me. He's done nothing but post lies and slander this entire thread.

	08-04-2003 00:04									#94
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considering not only the deplorable state of iraq's army as well as your own bold (and proven false) pretentions, this hs got to be one of the worse wars the US has ever fought...and in big cost for civilian life...
let's see what comes next

	08-04-2003 00:05									#95
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 LOL... arguing with you is futile since you're already proven you dont know anything but your own propaganda US troops have been kicked in the behind, had to replan their whole operations, need to bring in more troops, and all that to a populace that was supposed to greet them with flowers... sorry but you are simply funny

when did this replanning happen, exactly?

they simply haven't needed extra troops; the 4th ID isn't deployed yet, and already had deployment issues through Turkey... no extra troops have been required...

as for the flowers? would have been nice... but they brought guns and bombs, and planned to kill the republican guard, anyway...

	08-04-2003 00:06									#96
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then he should ban you felch unless you're considerd untouchable and that you can say whatever insult you feel like....

	08-04-2003 00:09									#97
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rescheduled plans, false political estimates about population reaction... civilian losses...bringing in more troops, altering speeches about a quick resolution to the war...


if this is a success for you (especially if the dismembered children in the shospitals are a success to you) then yes you are succesful...

	08-04-2003 00:11									#98
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I simply feel that ridiculous people should be ridiculed. I told him that I have no problem with a banning. I just refuse to tolerate somebody clowning around and spaming nonsense in a serious thread.

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The US Media reports both American victories and setbacks in the war. Helicopter collapses, casulties, and other problems all recieve heavy coverage. We also repeat what the Iraqi information minister is claiming. The US media was very critical of our military effort. after the first week when it was seen the war would be alot longer then we thought it would. To compare our media to the media in third world countries like Iraq and Russia is a joke.

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Felch, then you should look in the mirror.

if someone's pretty ridiculous is you (andmany others)


so if u feel the urge go right ahead and speak to the glass.

	08-04-2003 00:15									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi The US Media reports both American victories and setbacks in the war. Helicopter collapses, casulties, and other problems all recieve heavy coverage. We also repeat what the Iraqi information minister is claiming. The US media was very critical of our military effort. after the first week when it was seen the war would be alot longer then we thought it would. To compare our media to the media in third world countries like Iraq and Russia is a joke.

the only truth in the above is simply the recognition that US troops have been kicked harder in the behind that they ever imagined...


keep it up and you may actually stand a chance in fair correspontance.

although you certaintly fall in a similar category as iraq in what concerns accuracy of information or propaganda....

	08-04-2003 00:16									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Felch X Ming, you can't honestly expect me not to make fun of somebody who trusts Russian and Iraqi news reports? He talked about a three day war, something nobody in America had ever mentioned, and I get chewed out for making fun of him? He's so full of it, his eyes are brown. If mincing little trolls are a protected species at this site, feel free to ban me. He's done nothing but post lies and slander this entire thread.

Attack his lies and slander than... not the poster.
Everybody is welcome to their opinions, even if they may be wrong

	08-04-2003 00:18									#103
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im sure felch and many other americans would change opinions in a week of receiving true and unbiased news.

of course in order to do that, they need to be in a country that is not at war.

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quote: if this is a success for you (especially if the dismembered children in the shospitals are a success to you) then yes you are succesful...

Paitikis, why do you keep mentioning children in hospitals?

Yes, there are children in hospitals. And, yes, they're on TV too, so where's the censorship there?

Are they more important because they're on TV? Thousands of victims of Saddam's regime are murdered in his prisons on a regular basis, but they're not on TV. Does this help you to pretend that they do not exist?

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LOL... other regimes (incuding some of your allies) in the region are far mroe brutal.


But what you;re saying is: Sadam kills people too, so yeah we kill children (lots of them) but Sadam does it too.



nice reasoning
true too...

	08-04-2003 00:22									#106
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well those children and people didnt NEED to die from your bombs. its as simple as that.

	08-04-2003 00:24									#107
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There is a wonderful tool known as the "ignore list."

For those of you attempting to fight the good fight with Pattycakes, I strongly urge you to use it. It's much better than beating your head against a wall of garbage.

-Arrian

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And the people that Saddam murdered needed to die? If it's as simple as that, well gosh.

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US media is much more democratic. Russian media say the words of Putin and Zhirinovsky. Coalition media (CNN for example) shows both glorious american forces and american war protesters. Yes CNN also "adapt" the news, they said for 4 times that americans found chemical weapons and it was wrong.

Interfax(rus) journalist was invited to politocal talk-show on 9th Israeli chanel (russian language chanel of Israel). He was asked: "And what is the situation with international terrorists in Chechnya?". He replied: "There are no terrorists. There are simply bandits and crimes". He was asked " Do you think, that Chechnian people fight for their own independence and liberty?". He answered: "No Chechnians are Russin people".

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Israeli 9th chanel is objective enought. It says about fascism racism in Israel both towards russians adn from russians. It reports about Iraq war according own correspondents and according CNN matherials, but it says that CNN's information can be not very objective. Etc. .

	08-04-2003 00:46									#111
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so felch, you decided to share in Sadam's fun?

you certaintly liberated many from the bonds of life...


US media are much more democratic than russian media?


maybe.

although they certaintly arent very democratic either, you can see the nice brain washing results in this very forum...

BTW, US is supporting Russian in chechnia, funny how in US they label freedom fighetrs and then terrorists the same people...
a joke really by whom noone's conveinced.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 considering not only the deplorable state of iraq's army as well as your own bold (and proven false) pretentions, this hs got to be one of the worse wars the US has ever fought...and in big cost for civilian life... let's see what comes next

It simply takes a while to kill/capture/cause to desert a hundred thousand or so Iraqi troops.

I'd like for you to point out exactly where the strategic failures have been for the Coalition, and where the strategic successes have been for the Iraqi's.

Its been a fabulous and especially well executed plan, involving massive coordination of naval, land and air forces, demonstrating precisie and overwhelming force, that simply caused the Iraqi Republican Guard to fold like a cheap suit, after 4 days of bombardment, and 1 day of maneuver warfare.

In terms of civilian losses, its among the best, if not the best in recent history, involving national armies.

Certainly, you could argue that the Coalition has SAVED lives, by mitigating deaths that have happened and would continue to happen, under Saddam's rule.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 the only truth in the above is simply the recognition that US troops have been kicked harder in the behind that they ever imagined...

Less than 200 casualties, facing 500 thousand Iraqi troops?

Define how thats "kicked hard"

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Hmmm, American troops are in Baghdad in about 2 weeks. That's a failure?

Then again, Pattycakes still believes the Iraqi Information Minister that the Iraqis still have Baghdad Airport. One wonders what drugs he is taken. I mean, really, there is a anti-Americanism and then there is anti-Americanism.

	08-04-2003 01:01									#115
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When they fight occupying forces, they may be described as freedom fighters.

When they take over a theater and try to kill hundreds of men, women and children, they are properly called terrorists.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 so felch, you decided to share in Sadam's fun? you certaintly liberated many from the bonds of life...

Saddam and the Ba'athists have INTENTIONALLY killed and tortured his own citizens for decades.

The Coalition has made every effort... more than any other army, ever, to avoid civilian casualties, and has been successful in doing so. Unintentional civilian casualties are tragic and regrettable.

Saddam's own military has been less effective in avoiding civilian casualties, by bombarding his own capital with unguided SAM's, and AAA fragments, and by violating the Geneva convention, demanding separation of civilian and military forces.

The difference is simply intent. The Coalition has not intended civilian casualties. Saddam ACTIVELY SEEKS civilian casualties.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 so felch, you decided to share in Sadam's fun?

You obviously know a whole lot about us Americans from your unbiased news sources. There's only one thing we like more than killing babies, and that's killing babies for oil.

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quote: Originally posted by Felch X You obviously know a whole lot about us Americans from your unbiased news sources. There's only one thing we like more than killing babies, and that's killing babies for oil.

thats baby oil right?

ahh... and I don't agree with you.

I think we like clubbing baby seals to death more than killing babies for oil

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quote: Originally posted by Felch X You obviously know a whole lot about us Americans from your unbiased news sources. There's only one thing we like more than killing babies, and that's killing babies for oil.

Which is how we produce 'baby oil', FYI. Though, we have to kill A LOT of babies in order to get sufficient stockpiles of them to last us through the lulls between wars...

	08-04-2003 01:09									#120
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Sweet sweet baby oil. And no Paiktis, you can't have any, until you stop trusting your unbiased news sources and come over to the dark side.