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Ned, I don't have a clear opinion on that matter.
Then again, as a basic rule, of course anything that messes up Turkey is good as long as Turkey remains threatening.
Although I'd prefer friendly relations which we are starting to develop...
But as a principle Kurds have a right to their freedom. Both those In Iraq as those in Turkey.
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Originally posted by Nevs23
In this war all victims are caused by the coalition directly or indirectly.
There is no reason for an invasion war.
Where are the mass destruction weapons? |
The weapons used in proximity of civilian areas are GUIDED using accurate, fault-tolerant systems.
Systems can fail, and mistakes can happen. These, are not forseeable.
There is a world of difference, however, between that, and KNOWING FOR A FACT, that a SAM that you launch is going to come back down, hit a civilian area, and explode.
There are 1.8 million reasons for an 'invasion war'.
Where are the WMD's?
The Coalition has found a BM-21 MRLS with chemical warheads. They are obvious since they are obvious liquid warheads, and there is no reason whatsoever for this, except for a chemical or biological WMD attack.
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I mean it's only fair. Of all NATO countries only Turkey has recognized FYROM as Macedonia....
what goes around comes around...
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Originally posted by Nevs23
Some Links?
Why Iraq... and no other dictatorship? |
http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle...storyID=2521303
Saddam is dangerous in that he's shown active willingness to use WMD's both in combat, and as a method of civil pacification. This is pretty unique.
You don't need to kill EVERY dictatorship... just make the odd example of those that don't bend to your will.
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
They don't call me an Evil Capitalist Conservate for nothing. |
YOU call yourself evil capitalist, people call you... other things,
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Originally posted by Nevs23
Some Links?
Why Iraq... and no other dictatorship? |
Because:
Saddam is our mortal enemy.
Saddam is too ambitious.
Saddam is too ruthless, especially in using WMDs.
Saddam's rule is one of the most brutal in the world today.
There 4 reasons together make Iraq the top target.
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United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Sava
Here's an example of American media reports:
HUGE STORES OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS FOUND... LARGE MASS GRAVESITES FOUND!! PROTESTORS KILL THOUSANDS IN VIOLENT RIOTS!!
our earlier reports were false, sorry |
POPPYCOCK.
Maybe people like you get a sick sense of pleasure out distorting facts on various anonymous forums across the Internet, but I do not, and I am speaking right now professionally as a journalist.
I watched the news reports on television and, even better, had access to the *raw* news copy that comes directly to us from Iraq. Nowhere in any of that was it *ever* downplayed that the INITIAL findings of chemical weapons and/or residue might not hold true. If anything, it was hammered home, time and time again, that the *field tests* were *not* the be all and end all of testing. They are but the *beginning* of testing, and not even all of them agreed that it was chemical weaponry/residue that was found. Further testing was conducted, and that has concluded that a good deal of the *initial* readings were wrong — in many cases, the chemical "weapons" were pesticide residue (you see, the testing equipment is so sensitive that even ordinary bug repellant can show up as a chemical "weapon"). Even more testing will be conducted back in the United States and, I believe, a European lab before *final* results are officially recognized.
Regarding mass grave sites, they've found a building in Iraq containing the remains of hundreds of people. They have yet to figure out just when these people died, except that it happened long before Gulf War II.
This was *all* in the media reports I've watched and read. Why you missed it, I'll never know.
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Gatekeeper
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United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:27
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Originally posted by Ned
DinoDoc, I think Turkey now has a real problem. They have few or no friends in Europe. We may have a formal alliance with Turkey due to Nato, but I can guarantee you they no longer have a friend in the US. Where does this leave them. Alone in the world without influence. If they need help financially or need diplomatic support in a dispute, they can no longer count on support from anyone.
Turkey really screwed up. |
I disagree. What Turkey did was democracy. I can't even begin to count how many times the U.S. Congress has thrown a wrench into a president's personal foreign policy. What Turkey's legislators did was no different, and how the result came about was due to democracy in action.
I admit that the outcome didn't please me, but, hey, it came about due to legislators exercising their votes. They're not a rubber stamp parliament, y'know. Those men and women voted, likely, based on the opinions they heard from their constituents.
Happens all the time in the United States and elsewhere in the Western world.
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08-04-2003 04:29
But it was just 'iraq.ru'. 
kogda ostatki irakskih soldat bili nazvani partizanami, ya chut ne umer so smehu. 
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