09-04-2003 09:02									#91
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard looks like you banned me. And then changed your mind. Discard that PM then? Oh and fine I agree. Ill try to add a few dozen more winks to make my point.

What PM? I never sent you one. And I never change my mind. I ban first, and don't bother asking questions later, and I don't bother PMing people for bans, since they'll figure it out soon enough on their own, and usually just have to look at their last post.

	09-04-2003 09:03									#92
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quote: Originally posted by GePap What is galling is that the Army immidtately says "we were taking fire and fired back" instead of saying at the start "we are investigating the matter". Basically in the Army briefings, all hints of mistake and happenstance must be eradicated..al must be 100% as planned, A-OK, soemone elses fault, we are perfect, so forth and so on. That is why so many people think the army briefings are nothing more than propaganda..cause they act just the same "nothing wrong, nothing FUBAR"

I agree, it is very disheartening when they claim there to be no mistake... it only makes them look more incompetent in the end... *sigh*. They do this very often too, which just compounds it.

	09-04-2003 09:03									#93
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RPG's arent really AT guns. As there effectiveness against anything with thick armor is minimal. And actually it was orignally designed/concieved by the germans to take out flimsy allied tanks (panzerfaust)


But as with everything else (MiG-15, T-55, RPG, V2, AK-47) they just stole the prototypes and took credit for designing it.

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	09-04-2003 09:05									#94
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat What PM? I never sent you one. And I never change my mind. I ban first, and don't bother asking questions later, and I don't bother PMing people for bans, since they'll figure it out soon enough on their own, and usually just have to look at their last post.

1) I sent the PM
2) Thats a nice to way to ruin a site that isnt yours
3) Yes you did, I was restricted for a few seconds.

	09-04-2003 09:07									#95
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard Unrelated: Fox has video of US soldiers blissfully patrolling downtown baghdad encountering no resistance. Looks like its near the end

Oh, you mean the end of the 3 week war, and the beginning of the multiple month occupation?

Hurrah!

Oh, and everything from the day the war end will be seen as our fault, period., since we will now own the country.

	09-04-2003 09:07									#96
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard FYI the Sagger and spandral are TRIPOD mounted as most better ATGM are. It can be mounted on vehicles or used stand-alone.

I've seen both fired. The tripod takes up space and really increases your visibility, unless you have ideal cover, or can ambush. Neither one could be set up on a hotel balcony with the tripod.

	09-04-2003 09:07									#97
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did anyone else notice the similarity between the picture flashes coming from the building and the muzzle flash of a rifle? or was it just the footage i saw/ my imagination? Again, thats no excuse for these deaths, but it does make it more understandable in battle conditions.

	09-04-2003 09:08									#98
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We had an interesting news clip last night of a (French?) Journalist/Cameraman who accompanied a small section of a couple of dozen militia types w. small arms and a few RPG's in an (attempted) attack on a marine (?) position.
The guy made it out again, along with most of the irregulars (without getting anywhere near the allied position), but this was purely luck. Journalist or otherwise, being that close to the frontline doesn't give you any immunity whatsoever.

The hotel in question reportedly was being used for sniping, just from a floor well beneath the reporters in question. Couple that with the smoke from the oil fires and some silly Cameraman moving a lens that reflects sunlight at the wrong moment and you've got a surefire recipe for disaster.
Journalists need to get some perspective and realise that wars aren't fought for their convenience and that they're going to take losses along with everyone else.

	09-04-2003 09:08									#99
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard 1) I sent the PM 2) Thats a nice to way to ruin a site that isnt yours 3) Yes you did, I was restricted for a few seconds.

You probably tried to post twice in less than 30 seconds. Flood control got you, not MtG.

	09-04-2003 09:08									#100
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard RPG's arent really AT guns. As there effectiveness against anything with thick armor is minimal. And actually it was orignally designed/concieved by the germans to take out flimsy allied tanks (panzerfaust)

Well an RPG killed at lease one of our Bradleys and took the thread off a M-1 that they could not wait for a repair team to repair it, so our guys destroyed it.

	09-04-2003 09:11									#101
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard 2) Thats a nice to way to ruin a site that isnt yours

So you think it's allright for soldiers to shoot first and ask questions later but moderators can't do the same??? get your priorities straight, man.

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I read the forum TOS, its ironic im probably the only one. Its funny but nowhere did it say I could be banned for something so stupid.

Oh and thats a possibility. But Ive seen that one before. And that wasnt it.

	09-04-2003 09:13									#103
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Oh and I have no doubt he would ban me. But I suggest if doing so makes him feel all powerful and gives him a woody and all. Maybe the TOS forum rules should be changed to "Do not fool with off topic mod"

	09-04-2003 09:15									#104
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard 1) I sent the PM

OK, I didn't get the pop-up. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

quote: 2) Thats a nice to way to ruin a site that isnt yours

It hasn't been ruined yet. And it's actually effective - most people either have common sense or can figure out the rules, some get off on testing the limits, or don't care. Instead of pleading or negotiating, I simply take control of the situation. It's very effective, because the ones who don't care don't bother me, and the ones who do suddenly see the light. Besides, it helps Ming and rah look better - they can do the good cop bad cop routine, while I do mean-ass southern Sheriff, or hard-ass Mexican federal police, depending on which side of the border I'm on. Either way, I make the good cop (rah) look like Manna from heaven, and the bad cop (Ming) look like a paragon of mercy.

quote: 3) Yes you did, I was restricted for a few seconds.

Forum glitch, database timeout, or someone else did then saw my warninglet - I thought about it, but I was too lazy to open the other screen and do a name search for you, so I didn't bother.

	09-04-2003 09:16									#105
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Well you threatened too. And for that I think I deserve an apology. Or maybe im not worth it?

Maybe Im more important than you think?

	09-04-2003 09:17									#106
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard Oh and I have no doubt he would ban me. But I suggest if doing so makes him feel all powerful and gives him a woody and all.

It's more like swatting a fly - there may be others to deal with, but at least I know that one won't be bothering me for a while.

quote: Maybe the TOS forum rules should be changed to "Do not fool with off topic mod"

That's the one you really need to remember.

	09-04-2003 09:20									#107
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard Well you threatened too. And for that I think I deserve an apology. Or maybe im not worth it?

You didn't get banned. You're lucky you got a warning - most people using a racial epithet, unless it's immediately obvious that the context is ok, would be gone for a week without question.

quote: Maybe Im more important than you think?

Trial lawyers have an adage that you never ask a question unless you already know the answer.

	09-04-2003 09:24									#108
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat or hard-ass Mexican federal police,

Damn, you are cruel!

	09-04-2003 09:29									#109
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat while I do mean-ass southern Sheriff, or hard-ass Mexican federal police, depending on which side of the border I'm on.

When I was station in San Diego, we were told many times never mess with the Mexican Federal Police.

	09-04-2003 09:32									#110
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My cousin in the NG was arrested in Tijauna for something stupid and fined craploads of cash for litering. But all in all he said it was a nice vacation.

	09-04-2003 09:33									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph When I was station in San Diego, we were told many times never mess with the Mexican Federal Police.

wise advice...

	09-04-2003 09:35									#112
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quote: Originally posted by red_mustard My cousin in the NG was arrested in Tijauna for something stupid and fined craploads of cash for litering. But all in all he said it was a nice vacation.

If this happened to every person who littered in my country, it would be the cleanest place on earth. But police equate gringos=$$$. Shame on us.

	09-04-2003 09:38									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman did anyone else notice the similarity between the picture flashes coming from the building and the muzzle flash of a rifle? or was it just the footage i saw/ my imagination? Again, thats no excuse for these deaths, but it does make it more understandable in battle conditions.

I haven't seen the footage, but...who the hell would use flash photography outside in daylight, let alone in a war zone?

	09-04-2003 09:43									#114
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk I haven't seen the footage, but...who the hell would use flash photography outside in daylight, let alone in a war zone?

hmm... i dunno... but check out Olaf's link on the first page... at around 18 seconds or so i definately see some sort of flashes being emitted from the building... some of them are right near where the tank shell hit too. Perhaps they arent camera flashes, but something else... maybe bulletes from machine gun fire hitting the building?

	09-04-2003 10:22									#115
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...or...maybe muzzle flashes from, oh I don't know...a sniper?

	09-04-2003 10:24									#116
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According to Western journos they didn't see any fire directed outwards from building (some were inside, some at other vantage points.

	09-04-2003 10:24									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen If this happened to every person who littered in my country, it would be the cleanest place on earth. But police equate gringos=$$$. Shame on us.

Naah, shame on the gringos for some of the horseshit they expect to pull down here and get away with, then whine "We're Americans."

Besides, my gringo ass has lived down here for four years now, and I've never had a problem with any police, local, state or Federal.

A lot of gringos come here with so much attitude I'd like to take some of it out of them.

	09-04-2003 10:26									#118
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat A lot of gringos come here with so much attitude I'd like to take some of it out of them.

You must hate Spring Break.

	09-04-2003 10:32									#119
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Naah, shame on the gringos for some of the horseshit they expect to pull down here and get away with, then whine "We're Americans." Besides, my gringo ass has lived down here for four years now, and I've never had a problem with any police, local, state or Federal. A lot of gringos come here with so much attitude I'd like to take some of it out of them.

Yeah well I agree both sides have some ammends to make... at least we're smart enough to see what's wrong with what we do.

I didn't know you lived in Mexico, what part??

	09-04-2003 10:33									#120
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My brother went to a Mexican resort with his wife and another couple, spent two weeks (I think). Loved the relaxed atmosphere, friendly people, and good inexpensive Mexican food.

The last two days, Spring Break arrived at the resort.

Suddenly it was a hectic atmosphere, impersonal rushed people, and poor expensive "Mexican" food.