11-04-2003 20:26									#31
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I think we should take out the chariot

I don't think they have anymore nearby

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	11-04-2003 21:22									#32
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Wasn't Mo a spearman? Or was he an Immortal also?

I say Harry kills the Chariot that attached Mo. No sense in letting them pull the Chariot back for healing.

	11-04-2003 21:48									#33
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Mo - was a regular Immortal - and it looks like the concensus is that we kill the chariot.

And Mo2 will be in action soon - reinforcing his 'immortality'.

	11-04-2003 23:50									#34
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Mo the Morbid Incarnate

Remember to let all the warriors move before doing the Shift-U to upgrade.

	12-04-2003 00:31									#35
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Question - do we want our workers to move into position on the mountain this turn. The only reason I can't think not is to keep their presence unknown to GS. But - what's the big deal. Getting the road built is more important. Any thoughts?

	12-04-2003 04:38									#36
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As long as the worker is protected, I say put him to work on the mountain road.

	12-04-2003 06:28									#37
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I have to go out of town tomorrow from about mid-day until Sunday evening. If we get our turn in before then, this should not be an issue. But with the length of time GS is taking - we may not see the save until tomorrow evening. In which case - with 24 hours to play - no problem. But we should have a second controller, and we should play the turn when we can.

Harry, Kon, Witt, argha, Eli - you guys seem to have the time. Whoever would best jive with my times - it worked well with Eli and Diss, and me and Diss, given the time zone separation. But that is not critical. What is more important is having kept up with the moves threads, plans, city builds, etc. Harry - you around this weekend? You have had the save on enough occasions. Let me know and I will PM RP with your e-mail address. Or anyone else dying to play it.

I will also be out of town for some of Saturday and Sunday next weekend (Easter) as well.

	12-04-2003 07:34									#38
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Someone - I think it was Eli - posted somewhere in here a list of the defensive bonuses from the various terrain types. Do you recall where it went? Or am I imagining it? I know you can dig it out of the editor somewhere, but if it was already done....thanks.

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I could probably do it. HAve something to do until around 8:00pm central or so tommorrow (Sat)

	12-04-2003 15:31									#40
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Someone - I think it was Eli - posted somewhere in here a list of the defensive bonuses from the various terrain types. Do you recall where it went? Or am I imagining it? I know you can dig it out of the editor somewhere, but if it was already done....thanks.

I think you're imagining, but here's what the editor says :

Desert, Plains, Grassland, Tundra, Flood Plains, Coast, Sea, Ocean - 10%
Forest Jungle - 25%
Hills - 50%
Mountains - 100%

	12-04-2003 18:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by argha I could probably do it. HAve something to do until around 8:00pm central or so tommorrow (Sat)

Thanks argha. I will pass your e-mail on in case we need it.

	12-04-2003 18:25									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I think you're imagining, but here's what the editor says : Desert, Plains, Grassland, Tundra, Flood Plains, Coast, Sea, Ocean - 10% Forest Jungle - 25% Hills - 50% Mountains - 100%

Thank-you Eli! I was not sure of the exact defense bonus from the Mountains. Glad to see it is 100%.

	12-04-2003 19:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Thanks argha. I will pass your e-mail on in case we need it.

argha - I went to get your e-mail from the old screen shot distributions I sent out - and your name was not on the list. My apologies. You should've said something. I recall your e-mail address from when you first joined, I will us ethat, and also review the save for a few things to remember. Looks like you will be playing it.

	12-04-2003 20:20									#44
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Moves for next turn:

Miller Town - citizen (cit) working lake to mined hill tile. This will allow 10 shields per turn production and warrior out each turn. Change build to warrior)

Spearman from Miller Town should head south.

Elipolis - new cit should be working a coastal tile for the cash.

Move Elipolis spearman south.

Settler to new city site:
1 tile due north of the hill tile and 2 tiles due west from Harry's H. It is the unimproved plains tile.

The Voice - cit from the mined grassland tile adjacent to the voice to the fish tile. (warrior is still out next turn - but this generates more gold)

IF BY ANY CHANCE GOW HORSEMEN HAVE LANDED - MOVE SPEARMEN TO PROTECT CITIES. WE WILL ATTACK WITH WARRIORS NEXT TURN.

Warrior who cut the road moves south towrds Diss'ville, onto the road.

Galley moves 1 tile only - loads two immortals from iron mountain, and then moves two tiles back down the caost towrds GS terr.

Harry kills chariot.

Warrior in jungle to D'ville.

Vet spearman overlooking GS terr moves to the next mountain tile to the SE.

Reg speraman moves to his spot.

Reg spearman, two workers, and 3 Immortals (General Jon, Beta, Diss) from D'ville move to where the reg spearman was.

(we want GS to see the spearmen named after team members - they may be able to extrapolate our actual numbers if the see too many of the pets out there.)

All other Immortals from D'ville move to jungle tile next to the mountain tile, Eli included - who is tow tiles back up the road.

Warrior with Eli moves to D'ville.

Upgrade all warriors (6) in D'ville to Immortals.

The big variables here will be whether GoW does anything weird, which I doubt. Not sure what their warrior is going to do. My concern is that after our move - he will move one tile diagonally to the east - and therefore see our larger immortal force. Not much we can do about this.

WE COULD LEAVE OUR VET SPERAMAN WHERE HE IS, AND MOVE THE REG SPEARMAN TO THE MOUNTAIN TO THE SE, AND THEN THE MOVES OUT OF D'VILLE AS PLANNED. tHIS WOULD BLOCK THE WARRIOR FROM SEEING ANYTHING? COMMENTS/? PLEASE PROVIDE DIRECTION TO ARGHA ON THIS.

the other variable is whether there are any other cahriots out on the plains. I doubt it. As jon suggested, we think there is only one. They used it for their GA.

I will post the daily war report tomorrow - unless one of you want to do it. I may be logged on at my sisters place tonight.

If you can upload screen shots that would be nice. I have e-mailed Togas to make sure the save goes to you as well, argha.

	12-04-2003 20:53									#45
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	13-04-2003 03:15									#46
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Save's here... Argha is offline, I'll play it now unless there are some unexpected situations that need to be discussed.

	13-04-2003 03:32									#47
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quote: Miller Town - citizen (cit) working lake to mined hill tile. This will allow 10 shields per turn production and warrior out each turn. Change build to warrior)

Done. 11 shields per turn production.

quote: Spearman from Miller Town should head south.

Done.

quote: Elipolis - new cit should be working a coastal tile for the cash.

Done.

quote: Move Elipolis spearman south.

Done.

quote: Settler to new city site: 1 tile due north of the hill tile and 2 tiles due west from Harry's H. It is the unimproved plains tile.

Done.

quote: The Voice - cit from the mined grassland tile adjacent to the voice to the fish tile. (warrior is still out next turn - but this generates more gold)

Done.

quote: IF BY ANY CHANCE GOW HORSEMEN HAVE LANDED - MOVE SPEARMEN TO PROTECT CITIES. WE WILL ATTACK WITH WARRIORS NEXT TURN.

No landings of foreign troops.

quote: Warrior who cut the road moves south towrds Diss'ville, onto the road.

Done.

quote: Galley moves 1 tile only - loads two immortals from iron mountain, and then moves two tiles back down the caost towrds GS terr.

Done.

quote: Harry kills chariot.

NOT DONE

There are three war chariots at that tile. Harry withdrawn to the mountain directly North of him.

quote: Warrior in jungle to D'ville.

Done.

quote: Vet spearman overlooking GS terr moves to the next mountain tile to the SE.

Done.

quote: Reg speraman moves to his spot.

Done.

quote: Reg spearman, two workers, and 3 Immortals (General Jon, Beta, Diss) from D'ville move to where the reg spearman was.

Done.

quote: All other Immortals from D'ville move to jungle tile next to the mountain tile, Eli included - who is tow tiles back up the road.

Not very clear. I assume you're talking about the jungle SE to D'Ville.

Done.

quote: Warrior with Eli moves to D'ville.

Done.

quote: Upgrade all warriors (6) in D'ville to Immortals.

Done.

Additional actions :

Spearmen on the Iron fortified.

Spearmen in the Voice moved to Miller Town. I didnt know what to do with him so I moved him to a central city.

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quote: The big variables here will be whether GoW does anything weird, which I doubt.

Nothing weird.

quote: Not sure what their warrior is going to do. My concern is that after our move - he will move one tile diagonally to the east - and therefore see our larger immortal force. Not much we can do about this.

Where is this warrior? I dont see him.

quote: WE COULD LEAVE OUR VET SPERAMAN WHERE HE IS, AND MOVE THE REG SPEARMAN TO THE MOUNTAIN TO THE SE, AND THEN THE MOVES OUT OF D'VILLE AS PLANNED. tHIS WOULD BLOCK THE WARRIOR FROM SEEING ANYTHING? COMMENTS/? PLEASE PROVIDE DIRECTION TO ARGHA ON THIS.

I dont see any GoW warrior, so this part is ignored.

quote: the other variable is whether there are any other cahriots out on the plains. I doubt it. As jon suggested, we think there is only one. They used it for their GA.

Apparently not. :crooked:

Screenshots on the way.

	13-04-2003 03:38									#48
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	13-04-2003 03:49									#49
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Beta, I can see that you're online. Please check my above posts and tell me if I everything's ok. I'm waiting for a reply before sending the save.

	13-04-2003 03:57									#50
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Thanks Eli - do we want a spearman or warrior out of miller Town - the sceen shot shows spearman.

Yowzer about the chariots. That's life.

The GS warrior I was referrin to is still standing there. If he moves one tile due east he will see the larger stack of immortals. It is a risk - but not a big one. But we may want to protect their presence for awhile. You call.

Hope this gets to you in time. Sorry - I was eating dinner.

	13-04-2003 03:58									#51
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On the mountain south of our vet Speamen GS has two Spearmen and two workers.

	13-04-2003 04:02									#52
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound Thanks Eli - do we want a spearman or warrior out of miller Town - the sceen shot shows spearman.

I didnt touch it. So it was a Spearman before.

quote: The GS warrior I was referrin to is still standing there. If he moves one tile due east he will see the larger stack of immortals. It is a risk - but not a big one. But we may want to protect their presence for awhile. You call.

You said GoW in the long post...
"The big variables here will be whether GoW does anything weird, which I doubt. Not sure what their warrior is going to do."

Let's take the rist.

	13-04-2003 04:38									#53
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I keep getting GoW and GG mixed up. Wonder what that means. 6th sense telling me something??

As to Miller Town - maybe will let it go through to Immortal. We have a turn to decide.

	13-04-2003 05:47									#54
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Thanks eli, just got online, have not had a chance to even open the save. does it matter that i have 1.21?

	13-04-2003 12:29									#55
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It does. I think we play the game with 1.14f.

	14-04-2003 00:03									#56
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You can open a 1.14 save with 1.21. However, if you save the game (as a 1.21), other players with 1.14 will not be able to open it.

So, if you're just wanting to open the save to take a look around and not actually play the turn to be passed to the next player, you'll be fine opening the 1.14 save with a 1.21 load.

	14-04-2003 04:53									#57
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Sorry about not getting in earlier. Things were pretty quiet in the forums when I left work Friday evening. I am not a good person to fill in on weekends due to my dog activities. I could do it sometimes if we make arrangements ahead of time.

This coming weekend, April 19th and 20th, I will be out of town for an extended weekend without access to the internet. I will be leaving very early on Friday and returning late on Monday. The two weekends after that are still open but most weekends in May and early June are filled.

Question, is there something I need to do when I load the save to get the builds to occur? When I load them the cities are sitting just like they were left after the last turn (e.g., if Dissidentville was pop-rushed last turn it shows the shield box full and no build). Maybe I should install the 1.14 patch and see if that makes any difference.

	14-04-2003 06:05									#58
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Installing the 1.14f patch fixed the build problem.

I took a look at Wittlich and the wasted shields. Not much we can do while producing units. Until it grows some more we either have to accept the poor efficiency or build something bigger like an improvement. Maybe a temple to put more border pressure on Port Isolation. BTW, I noticed PI is now size 2.

The single citizen in Dissidentville is being wasted on entertainment. Make him a scientiest and move the science slider to 0. We should still get Engineering in the same number of turns but we will gain 4 gpt that is now going into science.

	14-04-2003 06:57									#59
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH I took a look at Wittlich and the wasted shields. Not much we can do while producing units. Until it grows some more we either have to accept the poor efficiency or build something bigger like an improvement. Maybe a temple to put more border pressure on Port Isolation. BTW, I noticed PI is now size 2. The single citizen in Dissidentville is being wasted on entertainment. Make him a scientiest and move the science slider to 0. We should still get Engineering in the same number of turns but we will gain 4 gpt that is now going into science.

Regarding WC, need troops.

I will try that with D'ville. I thought I had tried that - but on recollection - it was a tax collector.

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But in our case, a scientist would be better than anything else...