28-04-2003 19:55									#121
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH Those may not have all been chariot attacks. A swordsmen in Arashi could attack a stack without moving out leaving the last unit to be taken by catapults and chariots. If we are not using the galley keep it fortified. It gets more sight range and 25% defensive bonus.

Yup understood. But the last unit would have had to be killed by a chariot. Same with the two next to Monsoon - as there are no units in Monsoon. And same with the two GS horsemen.

Agreed about the galley.

	29-04-2003 00:29									#122
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We lost 6 plus the two GoW horsemen. That means GS has least 8 chariot/swordsmen in the area that survived. Plus at least one swordsmen that was on the east mountains.

We are running out of mountains to follow.

How long before our workers complete the road S of Dissidentville to the end of the mountains overlooking the grasslands by Monsoon? I have an idea on how we can take/raze Monsoon if GS continues to leave it ungarrisioned.

	29-04-2003 03:45									#123
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From the stories in the public forum it looks like GS got themselves a leader. I expect we will see Sun Tzu's completed shortly or they might use it for an army. An army of Med Inf heading north will be tough for us to stop.

	29-04-2003 04:18									#124
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quote: Originally posted by HarryH From the stories in the public forum it looks like GS got themselves a leader. I expect we will see Sun Tzu's completed shortly or they might use it for an army. An army of Med Inf heading north will be tough for us to stop.

With a 2 on defence it would not worry us that much. Especially on our turf. I would be more worried about an army of pikemen.

But I suspect they will use it on a wonder.

	29-04-2003 06:39									#125
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Yes, I would think that they would rush build Sun Tzu in order it build veteran units in all of their cities...God, we need to take some of those cities away from them...

	29-04-2003 06:40									#126
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Hopefully, we can also get a Great Leader from all of this...

	29-04-2003 18:36									#127
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If they are going with the warrior upgrade, then we need to get their Iron before they are able to upgrade.

	29-04-2003 19:21									#128
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My same thoughts Macy.

	29-04-2003 22:04									#129
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I agree as well - but how. That is the question. Pikemen on mountains are hard to take out.

	30-04-2003 06:10									#130
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God! What I would do for a few Riflemen right now.

	30-04-2003 07:00									#131
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590BC turn played.

Screenshots:

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Received map from GoW. Sent our map.

Received 120 gold from Lego. Sent our map.

You will see the unit moves on the screenshots. As expected, there would appear to be a strong defence in Tempest. I was not going to risk losing the only significant force we have left. General Jon and his troops fortified. I expect they will be taking shots from catapults and med inf, but they are fortified in a mountain tile - so should be relatively safe.

Another spearman moved up to fortify on the workers. A point to note - when the workers are done in two turns - the road there will go both ways, which means we will be susceptible to chariot attacks - any thoughts? I suggest we finish the road - and heavily defend the tile.

Man - pikemen would be useful!!

On the east coast - the two immortals moved up to reinforce the three units already entrenched. SAme comments as above - they may get attacked, but should hold their own.

I fortified our galley where it stood. We cannot outrun the GS galleys. They would be able to attack us next turn - so following Harry's advice - I fortified it. We will see what happens. BTW - I have Elipolis building another galley. Wit a pop rush - out in two turns.

I also moved units to defend all the likely landing spots - in case the GS galleys are carrying troops. I suspev they may not be - their purpose may be strictly naval superiority. But if they do land - we have three immortals in striking distance - and on roads. Also - there are no mountains for them to land in.

A pile of units are still heading south. Two more warriors were upgraded this turn. After next turn - Wittlich city should be up to 10 shields per turn - which will help.

Question - The Voice produces a spearman next turn. It can produce barracks in 3 or 4 turns after that - I can't recall without the save open. Do we want to do this? Or still pump out regular troops?

RP/Spain's letter mentioned a map for landing sites. Unfortunately there is no spot where a galley moving 3 tiles can croos to Estonia from Bob safely - other tan the northern crossing near Wittlich City. Nonetheless, I would still propose we gift our map to Roleplay. Any thoughts on this?

Can't think of anything else. Oh yes - I suggest GoW land on the mountain tile for now - until they are ready to move south.(Anybody thinking that losing the two horsemen was all a plot to land troops farther north by us??? Still no response on pikemen. )

Presuming GoW is still playing straight with us - we need to discuss our next strategic move. We will have a sizeable stack of immortals soon from D'ville. We should keep them massed - but to do what? With pikemen as defenders - we would have a few more options.

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	30-04-2003 08:08									#132
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quote: Question - The Voice produces a spearman next turn. It can produce barracks in 3 or 4 turns after that - I can't recall without the save open. Do we want to do this? Or still pump out regular troops?

I vote for a barracks. There is a BIG difference between regular and veteran troops!

quote: RP/Spain's letter mentioned a map for landing sites. Unfortunately there is no spot where a galley moving 3 tiles can croos to Estonia from Bob safely - other tan the northern crossing near Wittlich City. Nonetheless, I would still propose we gift our map to Roleplay. Any thoughts on this?

If that is the quickest crossing point, then so be it...as long as they get involved.

quote: Oh yes - I suggest GoW land on the mountain tile for now - until they are ready to move south.(Anybody thinking that losing the two horsemen was all a plot to land troops farther north by us??? Still no response on pikemen. )

Yes, I have been thinking the same thing...but I guess we need to trust them for the time being and take the chance on this campaign ending up successful for us - just make sure we don't have unguarded cities within their stiking range.

I concur - We need Feudalism ASAP!!!

	30-04-2003 15:19									#133
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It's time to attack one of the cities IMO.

If we dont attack now, all our troops will be red pretty quickly.

	30-04-2003 17:21									#134
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yes

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URGENT QUESTION!!

Reading the public forum reminded me that the Great lighthouse enables GS galleys to move safely through sea tiles. This is correct - is it not?

If yes - we had better get a reserve back up north in a hurry. I suspect the two galleys we can see may be a decoy.

	01-05-2003 05:37									#136
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This is TRUE. Their galleys can safely move though and rest in Sea tiles. We need to have our cities GUARDED.

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Yes, the GLighthouse enables safe sea travel. I remember mentioning that when they built the GL. I found some discussion about that here http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...890#post1919890 We need to have a couple of immortals in the north to counter an invasion. A spearman in each city would be nice too.

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Yes, I remember your warning about this Harry. I have to admit, at the time, I was more concerned about their extra movement point than GS actually sneaking around us (outside our line of sight) and springing an invasion force into our heartland.

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With our current positions on the east coast we have the coast and sea lanes covered very well. They would have to risk to unsafe stays in ocean to get past us unsigthed. I doubt they would do that. We have no such coverage on the west. I would hope that the GoW galley in the west would warn us if they saw a GS galley coming. With the GoW galley moving northward a GS galley could be following out of sight. I don't think they have an invasion force on the way yet as they have been too concerned with defenses to stop us from taking anything.

Those GS galleys in the east serve two purposes. First it stops us from reinforcing our eastern forces. Second is to remove our galley so they can safely bring up troops. Now that they have taken out half our main invasion force I expect they are pretty confident with their defenses. New units may be produced with an invasion in mind.

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Oh - Ok - so it is sea and not ocean tiles? Right. Whew - that helps a bit. You are right Harry - and I do remember your earlier warning - but a comment in the public forum by a GS member tweaked one of my antennae and got me thinking. I was afraid of them sailing east out to the ocean - north - and then coming in completely un-announced. But as you have pointed out - it would have been difficult using soley sea tiles.

But - a northen reaction force would still be a good thing.

	01-05-2003 07:50									#141
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I concur Beta - I've always been uncomfortable with have undefended cities - even in the rear - there should be some type of reactionary force available, just in case.

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quote: If they are going with the warrior upgrade, then we need to get their Iron before they are able to upgrade.

I don't know why this keeps coming up. GS has not disconnected their iron. They have pikeman and are creating more, therefore they have iron. GS has swordsmen therefore they have had iron. That iron is connected. We can not see the road because of the blackness. The iron tile has commerce so baring a river running next to the mountain (I don't see the edge of a squiggly next to the mountain) the tile must be roaded to provide commerece. Hurricane is next to that mountain so it is connected. GS is not doing a warrior upgrade. They are using their money to speed research.

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quote: Originally posted by HarryH I don't know why this keeps coming up. GS has not disconnected their iron. They have pikeman and are creating more, therefore they have iron. GS has swordsmen therefore they have had iron. That iron is connected. We can not see the road because of the blackness. The iron tile has commerce so baring a river running next to the mountain (I don't see the edge of a squiggly next to the mountain) the tile must be roaded to provide commerece. Hurricane is next to that mountain so it is connected. GS is not doing a warrior upgrade. They are using their money to speed research.

Yup.

	02-05-2003 07:14									#144
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nbarclay has a post in the public forum (Vox Daily War Report) about what they have done to us. I am strating to get a bit suspicious. Immortals are equivalent of defence factor 4 in mountains - and they were fortified. Chariots cannot attack us - med inf has an even chance or worse, which means we would give as much as we take. Mathematically to take out the big stack of Immortals should take some 14 med inf. Maybe we are just not seeing them lose units (which is possible). Any thoughts?

I agree that moving to the plains earlier was a bad move - our hand was forced by GoW. But given where our units and GoW's were, they either had a lot of chariots or were very lucky. Hmm...

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The save is here.

Tempest has walls. All our units near the two cities are injured, their Eastern stacks on the moutains were reinforced and the two galleys are adjacent to the Iron, but no troops have landed. Two GoW galleys are on their way.

Unfortunately I recommend retreat. We cant break the defenses of Tempest or Arashi with our current forces and every turn that passes they will become weaker and weaker due to catapult bombardment.

	02-05-2003 17:05									#146
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I will play teh save later tonight. Please see the options thread.

	03-05-2003 02:25									#147
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I am going out for dinner - will be back around 9pm edt (0100 gmt). We will see where we stand then. Only one response so far to the options thread.

	03-05-2003 08:16									#148
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570 bc turn played.

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...570bc-north.JPG

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...570bc-south.JPG

General Jon et all took some damage from catapults - they must have quite a few around - and I have started them on a trek out.

It is also noteworthy that the military advisor shows us and GS having roughly the same size military now. And we are larger than all the other nations.

Moved troops south. Upgraded two more immortals. Many warriors heading south.

The Voice will produce barracks in 4 turns.

Wittlich City expanded last turn - and is now producing 10 shileds per turn. Warrior in one. Miller town is producing a spearman.

And Elipolis had compiled 10 shields so a pop rush produces a second galley next turn. The pop point lost will not lower production below 5 shields, which is the key number. New shields were just going to corruption.

Re-arranged the iron mountain defences a bit.

I do not think a GS galley can get to us without us seeing it. They would have to risk ocean tiles - and I don't think they would risk that. Any thoughts?

GoW has horsemen on the mountain. We will need to discuss plans.

I have old notyoueither that we are considering our options. Which is the truth.

And we really could use pikemen.

And the reading in the Vox Daily War report thread is interesting - especially the speculation by an outsider that this war is all staged. Who - us? Never.

	03-05-2003 15:52									#149
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GS will be counter attacking to our territory very soon.
In the short term we should build walls in Diss'Ville and get Feudalism.
In the long temr we need to start fortifying the road to northern Estonia and producing defensive troops who will position themselves on the possible naval landing sites.

I have reason to believe that we will soon face an onslaught of Knights.

	03-05-2003 17:29									#150
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Oh joy.