14-04-2003 07:59									#61
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yup - I just checked the save and Harry and kon are right. It works well. Same as the science slider at 10%. Plus we generate more gold.

Will implement next turn.

	15-04-2003 08:08									#62
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690bc turn played.

Here are the screenshots - I will add commentary in the morning. I'm tired.

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...690bc-north.JPG

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...690bc-south.JPG

My only major comment is that if GS moves one of their two western cariots one tile north - they will see the so-far-hidden stack of immortals. Let's hope they are playing fair and don't use various saves for scouting.

There is really no reason for them to move north - and besides - they will see them soon.

Tomorrow.

	15-04-2003 16:27									#63
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OK - 690bc

New city built - Beta-by-the-Sea (a lovely resort town and Vox's first surf shop )

Lots of troops heading south to the war zone. Spearman from Miller Town next turn will stay in the north - as will one spearman in Elipolis.

War zone - two immortals from galley deposited on mountain. Galley went back and picked up Harry who will join the others this turn.

As per HarryH's suggestion the spearman from Iron mountain is headed to Harry's spot. Two spearmen coming south will take up spots on iron mountain.

Three immortals from D'ville moved out into the grasslands. In one move they will be on the coastal forest tile - and ready for pick-up by the galley. This is a quicker route than going all the way to iron mountain. Also - they are out of range of the chariots. If the chariots do move - they will take up position as per Kon's suggestion. Subsequent Immortals can also take up that position.

The advance continues. I felt it was worth the risk moving our spearman out to the eastern most mountain. He is a vet - on a mountain. Even the regular swordsmen could have probelms with him.

The others have all moved up - including the big stack of 8 immortals. If their chariot moves one tile north, they will see the stack.

We are three turns away from attacking Arashi - unless they raze it before we get there. The spearman is only five tiles from ther capitol.

Southern GoW galley has not moved. The northern one would appear to be headed for Port Isolation. ???

I will enquire with Ghengis. I suspect they are waiting for the feudalism deal. I will also feed Ghengis another false troop report. 1 immortal and 1 spearman.

The D'ville scientist works like a charm. Thanks for the suggestion Harry. With that move and the new city - we are up to 36 gold per turn.

Also - in a chat with Nimitz last night - he asked if we wanted a second loan - I said we would get back to him on that in two turns.

	15-04-2003 20:59									#64
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Looks good. I guess it's only couple turns to go before we start to see major fighting.

	16-04-2003 00:06									#65
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Beta, what team is Nimitz on?

EDIT: Nevermind, I checked the Lego Thread.

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	16-04-2003 04:33									#66
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How supportive are they willing to be and how much risk are they willing to take? I have a bizarre thought going through my head right now. I need to setup a test case tonight.

	16-04-2003 04:56									#67
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Well, you've peaked my curiousity Harry.

	16-04-2003 06:03									#68
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I suspect he is anayzing what GoW could do if they decided to side with GS and stab us in the back. Been thinking it as well. Their behaviour is odd, to say the least.

Ghengis says they have feudalism next turn. We will want to see definite movement towards GS territory. None of this one and two tile nonsense. GS does not need to know they do not have a galley there. They can still feed them false reports while their galley heads south.

I will be interested to see his response to my memo regarding CalcII's post.

	16-04-2003 06:31									#69
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I think they will stay on our side. I think they really want to see GS taken down. They have a good idea of how big our army could be I don't think they want to fight us for little gain.

	16-04-2003 06:40									#70
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Good point Macy, I hope you're right.

	16-04-2003 06:49									#71
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I suspect GF does not want to move the galley into GS territory because it would make GS suspicious that GoW does not have a galley stationed as they agreed.

I saw Calc II's post as well.

	16-04-2003 06:52									#72
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy I think they will stay on our side. I think they really want to see GS taken down. They have a good idea of how big our army could be I don't think they want to fight us for little gain.

That's what I keep telling myself as well. And by all accounts, GF is a man of his words. Time will tell.

	16-04-2003 06:53									#73
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Beta, my bizare idea involves Lego, not GoW. It will have to wait as I have a few things to do tonight before I can setup my scenario. I am just itching to see what happens...

	17-04-2003 07:42									#74
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670bc turn played. (Finally! This game is getting to be very slow.)

Screenshots:

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...670bc-north.JPG

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...670bc-south.JPG

More production and more movement of troops. Most is evident from the screenshots.

In the south - GS will now see the stack of Immortals - if they didn't see it last turn. Will be intersting to see if they stay and fight.

There is a spearman in each of the stacks on the mountains. The stack next to the GS swordsman has 11 immortals. There are 3 in the stack to the west. Over on the east coast - the jungle tile has 3 immortals and a spearman for ferrying into the eastern mountains. Harrry was dropped there this turn - and argha and Kali are on the move.

GoW galley is set to move onto GS territory.

One warrior upgraded this turn. 3 more on the move, and 3 more produced next turn. 3 spearmen also on the move.

Note the size of their capitol.

Also - I think they are pillaging the road they were building - are they not? The one heading north on the grasslands.

Also - they must be confident about getting their cities back as they still have workers making improvements.

QUESTION - The Voice - could have produced a regular warrior next turn. Or a speaman in two. Or a settler in 3. Do we want the settler - or should I crank it to produce immortals? The settler could be used to replace Monsoon if they raze it - but I understand from some chats tonight that GS does not plan on razing any cities as they expect to recapture them. Also explains their infrastructure work.

Or - we could put another city south of Elipolis - to take advantage of the two enhanced grassland tiles. Or - as I said - an Immortal every three turns and let it grow. May be the best option - unless they raze Monsoon.

217 gold +36 gpt. Engineering - 31 turns.

Will post in the daily war report.

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	18-04-2003 20:12									#75
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Just a few notes before I head out for the weekend.

I think GS is letting their capital grow to increase shield production. All those mined fur tiles will produce plenty of shields. GS may be able to have Eye produce a swordsmen every turn. I have not calculated it to know for sure.

Yes, they are pillaging the road. Since those tiles can note used by their existing cities they probably figured the risk of us using the roads was too great.

Note that they have finished the road on the mountain next to Arashi. That means chariots will be able to attack our units when they reach the mountain. I suggest pillaging it when you get the chance to help protect any wounded units left there from attacking Arashi.

The best place to attack Monsoon is from the unimproved tile betwen Monsoon and the iron since any units there will be farthest inside the border after capturing Monsoon. It does not look like Monsoon will grow to size 2 so it will raze. Consider instead moving the units to follow the main force and coming at Monsoon from the hills on the other side so our units are not caught on the flats.

We can now see a couple more mountains in the chain. The main force should follow them to continue to expose more territory and look for other cities.

That's it for now. Have fun. See you Tuesday.

	18-04-2003 20:15									#76
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One more thing. Keep an eye out for galleys. They can slip them past us on the sea.

	19-04-2003 06:19									#77
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650BC

We have the save. Here is a screenshot of the war zone.

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...-south-chat.JPG

I have a message from Lego that most of their folks are away - so take our time. I will finish the turn tomorrow morning before I too leave town for a day.

Some points.

Velocyrix actually put a post up suggesting it was not too late for reconciliation.

I cannot see the southern GoW galley - so I assume it has gone south. Also - no sign of the northern one - which supposedly was 'switching' units.

GS has three swordsmen on the eastern mountains - I suggest we still close with our Immortals. With 100% defence bonus for mountains, that will be 3 attack vs 4. The galley has two immortals in it - we can drop them off on the most northern of the mountains - or move further south for an insertion closer to their cities and iron.

There is a road on the mountain tile north of Arashi. As Harry has pointed out - this will leave us open to chariot attacks - but at 2 attack factor - it should not be an issue. I recommend we close for battle.

In the north - new Immortals produced - which will head south.

Comments? Suggestions?

	19-04-2003 13:28									#78
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The Immortals in the Galley should land adjacent to the swordsmen. This way we will have all our Immortals on the East fighting them, instead of pairs of them.

	19-04-2003 16:58									#79
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650Bc turn played.

Screenshots:

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...650bc-north.JPG

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Be...650bc-south.JPG

Immortals on east coast advanced - and we have their iron in sight - where we expected it would be. The two Immortals are facing 3 swordsmen, but I still figure that is OK being in a mountain tile. They have Harry coming to back them up, and as Eli suggesrted, two more in the galley to land next turn.

As Jon said earlier - we need to take some risks - and that means exposing some troops to put pressure on both fronts.

Around Iron mountain - I am working to get a unit on each of the three mountain tops. And then a group of two or 3 immortals close by in case of a landing.

On the western front - we have entered GS territory next to Arashi. Also - the workers will be finished the first road in the tile they are in next turn.

Up north - as you can see - the troop production is in full swing. There are presently 7 warriors heading south. The next 2 turns will see 6 more produced. And a spearman from The Voice.

The worker has moved to improve another plains tile.

Question - do we want another galley - Elipolis can produce one in 3 turns using a pop rush, and still be able to churn out a warrior every second turn.

And - we need to think about the end-game scenarios. Velocyrix held out a fig leaf. I have agreed to discuss it with him later this week-end. My fear is that GoW's support is being guaged very carefully to ensure we win - but just barely. Takes out two civs. Also - Lego internal politics are a bit shakey right now. See the Lego FA file.

Happy easter weekend, one and all.

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	19-04-2003 20:57									#80
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How long is it before another bunch of warriors gets upgraded?

	20-04-2003 00:00									#81
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It does not look like that Iron is connected by road.

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I am for making another Galley. I think it will be a big help.

	20-04-2003 02:36									#83
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quote: Originally posted by mjmacy It does not look like that Iron is connected by road.

I was thinking the same thing, but they do have a chariot staioned on the tile...unless they pilaged the road after the chariot arrived But to what point? Unless, of course, they may have a second source of iron already hooked up to fuel their swordsman production...and the chariot guarding the unroaded iron source is just a ruse to get us to attack the deposit for no real benefit to us...

	20-04-2003 08:53									#84
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I like the galley idea, it could help if we spot a GS galley trying to get psat us using the lighthouse.

	20-04-2003 09:27									#85
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Concerning Gs's chariot on the mountain without roads:

Yes, it looks like GS pilaged the tile after the chariot moved into position.

It is actually a brilliant move on GS's part. The chariot will receive the defensive bonus if attacked. If our forces try to bypass it by traveling via the low lands, the chariot will get first hit on us and retreat back to its orignial location (in mountains) - in this case, it doesn't matter that there arn't any roads on the tile. A chariot can move to grasslands and plains from mountainous terrain - The only stipulation to the rule is that chariots need roads to move into mountainous/jungle terain - but it doesn't require them to move out of them (unless it's moving to another mountain/jungle tile).

They are devious.

	20-04-2003 09:34									#86
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but does this mean that they have no source of Iron. I can't belive that they would disconnect there Iron just to get a better defensive position. unless they are hopping to do some warrior upgrads, which is a good possibility. either way I think we should aim for it as an important position

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If another team has an embassy with GS, we should ask them to do a spy mission on Gs's captial. I think this is a wise course of action and should be done as soon as possible!

If intel shows iron in the stratigic box, then GS has another iron deposit already connected. If it shows no iron then you are right Macy - We need to seize the iron deposit guarded with the chariot ASAP.

	21-04-2003 06:55									#88
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I am sure that GS has disconnected their iron for the same reason that we did. They want to produce cheaper shield units (spearmen and warriors) and then upgrade them with cash. Which they can probably generate quite well. So getting that iron supply may be the key to all this. I expect they will defend it tooth and nail. Which should help us on the other front considerably.

We should pour troops into the eastern mountains as fast as we can. Which supports the production of the second galley.

Now - this all goes out the window if they have a second source. Or, if they are trading with someone for iron.

	24-04-2003 06:11									#89
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I do believe that Apolyton is back!!!

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Hmmm, looks like the smilies don't work yet though...