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Originally posted by Elok
I hate to lecture, but you did read Ming's post, right? He's gonna eat your balls if you turn this into a flamewar. |
I think that Mike can handle a little flame. Besides, I think he likes Dan Rather.
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
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What a sick thread. Yeah, let's dance while the Iraqi people suffer under anarchy. Because suffering under Anarchy is so much better than under Saddam. Sure, Iraqi's no longer have to worry about being killed for speaking out against the government, they just have to worry about being killed for anything they own that may be of value as warlords, gunmen, and criminals loot, set fires, and randomly kill people. And under the Geneva convention, an occupying force is required to keep a sense of order. Yet Rumsfeld says it isn't the US's job to place policeman.
And with all this chaotic violence, the largest humanitarian crisis in history is looming. Iraq has no water, no source of food, and the "Coalition of the Willing" doesn't give a rats ass.
Apparantly death, famine, violence, and anarchy are reasons to celebrate. 
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
I choose to take the most convenient meaning. 
Can you explain the bit with the shoes though? |
They like that - that way, they can give the gesture the meaning they intend, and get a laugh at how the infidels don't have a clue. 
The shoes thing goes back to tribal roots as herdsmen. Just like the whole cutting off the right hand bit, which predated Islam. Traditionally, you ate with the right hand, and in the glorious days before toilet paper, you took care of the other end with your left hand. (Scrape it off in sand afterwards, but better than using the plants you might find in the desert.) Gifts are given and received with the right hand, or both hands (otherwise, you're saying "I wipe my ass with this."). Amputation of the right hand makes a convicted thief a permanent social outcast.
The shoes bit has to do with the fact that outside you wear shoes while attending your herds of goats, horses and camels, etc. Indoors, you remove your shoes as a sign of respect, otherwise, you're saying in effect "I step in goatshit and camelshit all day, but this is no different, so I won't bother taking off my shoes." Hitting something with shoes is just symbolically stepping on it.
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Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see
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more rummy
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"I picked up a newspaper today and I couldn't believe it," he said. "I read eight headlines that talked about chaos, violence, unrest. And it just was Henny Penny - 'The sky is falling'. I've never seen anything like it! And here is a country that's being liberated, here are people who are going from being repressed and held under the thumb of a vicious dictator, and they're free. And all this newspaper could do, with eight or 10 headlines, they showed a man bleeding, a civilian, who they claimed we had shot - one thing after another. It's just unbelievable ..." |
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"The images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over, and it's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase, and you see it 20 times, and you think, 'My goodness, were there that many vases? Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?' " |
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by GePap
MtG: I agree with you that all these people dancing in this thread are doing it more for themselves, as a form of self-congratulation for "oh how much they trully care about the dmeocracy of some far away brown folks", but at the same time they have a minor point: the situation as of yet is not bad enough to start pilling on on them. There has been widespread looting, but if by next week it has been put down, then we can move on with the more important matters. |
To me, looting is just a secondary symptom. What I'm really concerned about, and pissed off about, because it was entirely predictable and would have been largely curable with minimal delay, is the degradation of water supplies, or the lack of water supplies.
From the WHO:
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The second most common cause of child deaths is diarrhoea, estimated to be responsible for 12 % of the child deaths under five years of age in developing countries - and a total of 1.3 million deaths each year. Diarrhoea may result from a variety of different causes. It is frequently a result of the child consuming pathogens or toxins from dirty hands or through contaminated water or food. |
Virtually every city the coalition has passed through has acute failures in their water supply systems, and many of those were pretty bad to begin with. The Tigris/Euphrates/Shatt al-Hillah/Saddam Canal water system is abysmal - under the best of conditions, it's like drinking Mississippi river water, plus the normal third-world pollution and war detritus on top of that.
Medical treatment is the second issue. A lot of wounded are going to be losing limbs or dying due to otherwise treatable infections, simply due to limited supplies and staff.
Then you get to looting, and then food supplies.
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12-04-2003 17:07
She's coming home!!! 
Conservatives just hate to have a little reality rain on their ideological parades.
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