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Inverse Icarus is offline Inverse Icarus
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I have many gripes with America, but in the end, I love it.

If my life could help to preserve this great nation, I would gladly give it . i'm not going to join the armed forces, but I would not dodge a draft should one arise.

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Slowwmind er hand, who died and made you Robespierre?

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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Doubtful.
Attempts to manupulate me by the best have failed.


This statement requires the smilies that laughs so hard it throws up.

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This statement requires the smilies that laughs so hard it throws up.


You're just being manipulated by different people than he is chegitz.

Ted Striker is offline Ted Striker
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Oh, and

USA! USA! USA!

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Comrade Tassadar is offline Comrade Tassadar
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I'm feeling a bit like a jerk at the moment......





As stated before, blind patriotism SUCKS. All it does is cause a "feel-good" atmosphere which seems to rob people of all their common sense and intelligence ("The government would NEVER lie to us!!!" "Saddam! He's the one behind Sep11, not Bin Laden!!!"). This, in turn, lets rulers do whatever they please just so long as they repeat it over and over and over again, because they know that if a stupid person hears something many many times, they will come to support it.

In fact (yes, this is another dumb-american story), I was shopping in Smiths a few weeks before the war, and this guy was all pumped up about a Bush speech. I asked him why, when he said "Well, he presented pretty convincing evidence! I'm DEFINATELY for the war now.". I was shocked, because I did not think there was any evidence to present.
Alas, when I returned home, all Bush had said was "Saddam is an evil man........He must get rid of his weapons of mass destruction per secuirty council resolution 1441......Or there will be concequenes.......He has not...........not done this........" blah blah blah. Yes, this is only one story, 1 american out of 250,000,000, but......I'm pretty sure there are many other Americans like this.

As Hitler (how ironic!) once said: "What luck for rulers that men do not think." That is very true.

When the majority is under blind patriotism, anyone who comes up to question anything "patriotic" whether it be the peoples intelligence or government policies or whatnot, it suddenly "unpatriotic" and thereby not listened to by the collective. Then they can switch on the TV and get a nice dose of Bush and his so-called "evidence".

But thats not the only thing that blind patriotism causes. It causes HATE. People will resent you for flying your flag in their face. They may actually go around and burn the flag because it reminds them of you This is dangerous, especially when facing an enemy overseas such as Al Qaeda, because then you've just given Al Qaeda propaganda for one year, maybe two, until you screw up again. And trust me, you will.
But it also causes hate for those who disagree with you. Ah, for example: FRANCE. The American people bitterly hate France, and most of them probably don't even know where it is on the map. They hate France because of what they see on FOX, and that "everyone else is doing it". They hate France because of what the government says.
They say "friends would never do such a thing!". Yet their patriotism does not allow them to comprehend that a friend is not a "yes"-man. A friend will try to stop a person from endangering themselves. We hate them, and they are beginning to not really like us at all.......

Duh people, this is pretty basic stuff.

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Lemme find that Soviet Union flag to burn.

Oh wait that doesn't exist anymore.

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Lemme find that Soviet Union flag to burn.

Oh wait that doesn't exist anymore.


I searched Google and Yahoo, but couldn't find any burning Russian flags or Soviet flags.

But as I've stated many times: I don't care as much as you do

Lancer is offline Lancer
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It's easy to burn the stars and stipes. All you need is a flag, a book of matches, and a ****ing idiot.

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It's easy to burn the stars and stipes. All you need is a flag, a book of matches, and a ****ing idiot.




I'm guessing you didn't bother reading my post.

Lancer is offline Lancer
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Yes well you'll forgive me...I've read a few of them.

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I'm a patriot

I think

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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As stated before, blind patriotism SUCKS. All it does is cause a "feel-good" atmosphere which seems to rob people of all their common sense and intelligence


I agree, blind patriotism does suck. Most Americans aren't blindly patriotic, however; they are just smart enough to recognize that they live in the greatest country in the world. It's well-informed patriotism.

USA! USA!

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exactly.

It seems a lot of people like on that Independent Media website seem to have so much hatred for america. I'll never understand why americans hate america so much. My theory is they have a lot of self-hatred and that carries over. They need some prozac or something.

having been abroad you gain a new respect for the nation called the unites states of america. I haven't been to every nation mind you. I have not been to Canada or Australia. They could rival the U.S. in greatness I suppose. But I like to think I live in a pretty good nation. And I will defend the ideals for which our nation was founded upon.

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I searched Google and Yahoo, but couldn't find any burning Russian flags or Soviet flags.

But as I've stated many times: I don't care as much as you do


im sure thats because anyone who burned a soviet flag was never seen again...

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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*new avatar*

**** you Tass.

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nice avatar. although the U.S. flag should be bigger than the U.K. one

red_jon is offline red_jon
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To be honest I can't see the big problem with burning flags. How is it that different from displaying an 'attack Iraq' bumper sticker? They're both hostile.

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Nice post Tass.
You said it well. Too bad your targets won't bother reading it.

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Nice post Tass.
You said it well. Too bad your targets won't bother reading it.

Tassie's post, though biased, was pretty good.

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But it also causes hate for those who disagree with you. Ah, for example: FRANCE. The American people bitterly hate France, and most of them probably don't even know where it is on the map. They hate France because of what they see on FOX, and that "everyone else is doing it". They hate France because of what the government says.

Please don't try to paint entire nationalities as stupid simply because you don't like them.

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I searched Google and Yahoo, but couldn't find any burning Russian flags or Soviet flags.


thats because here we don't disgrace the flags of other nations, and there you would be shot for it.

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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Tass has a rampaging case of Cat Scratch Fever, I see.

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It seems a lot of people like on that Independent Media website seem to have so much hatred for america. I'll never understand why americans hate america so much.


That's because you confuse anger with hatred. I'm extremely angry with America, but I still love it.

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It seems a lot of people like on that Independent Media website seem to have so much hatred for america.
Indymedia just has a strange relationship with the truth.

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
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Angry, over what? That's what I've failed to understand.
How did the USA piss in your Post Toasties?

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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Angry, over what? That's what I've failed to understand.
How did the USA piss in your Post Toasties?


Does stuff just go in one eye and out the other?

We screw our poor. We screw our middle class. We screw over women, children, Black folks, Hispanics, American Indians, gays. We crush democratic movements abroad. Our government is in the pockets of the corporations. We just waged yet another illegal war.

There's so much to be angery over it's amazing I don't spend my days in a constant state of rage. That, however, is no way to spend a life.

Let's put it this way. If you son went around throwing bricks through people's windows, smashing their mailboxs, and kicking their dogs, would you be surprised that your neighbors didn't like him very much? Would you be pissed at your neighbors or your son? Would you support your son in continuing to terrorize his neighborhood or would you support him by trying to make him change his ways?

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Let me put it this way. You're way too sheltered.

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I'm a patriot!!! GO USA!!!

quote:
? Would you support your son in continuing to terrorize his neighborhood or would you support him by trying to make him change his ways?


Yeah, and in American you actually have the option... What a great nation.

If you don't like it, hey, you actually have the chance to change it too... Wow, not a whole lot of other nations allow that...

I got a friend from some other country... He just became a US citizen. He says that while America still has a lot wrong with it, and basically sucks, it is still the best country there is.

I concur

 
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